Interrogator Stobz Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Who says GW want a peaceful Imperium? In the far future there is only war. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arganias Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Who says GW want a peaceful Imperium? In the far future there is only war. You know what... now I want to see an Imperium cold/civil war now, reluctantly working together but sometimes in conflict for resources. Give those Imperial on Imperial games another avenue of narrative context. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droz_64 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Horus Heresy 2: Electric Boogaloo? And plastic HH? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 At least we'd know that the Lion was on the loyalists side, that G-Man looks untrustworthy... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Russ would likely be more interested in retaking his role as executioner and probably not the best governor, unless he has really chilled out in the last 10k years or so. You do realize they completely abandoned that whole executioner thing because people made such a big deal about it, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arganias Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Russ would likely be more interested in retaking his role as executioner and probably not the best governor, unless he has really chilled out in the last 10k years or so. You do realize they completely abandoned that whole executioner thing because people made such a big deal about it, right? I did not realize that, especially since the new SW Codex has a stratagem called "The Emperor's Executioners". I know it's in reference to the chapter in that context but it seems to be broadly applied to Russ and his wolves. Regardless of title, I doubt he would be content with managing campaigns, he'd rather fight in them. It is possible they could make him old man Russ and make him much wiser and brash. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I think that the next Primarch to return on the Loyalist side should be Russ, and he should lead a secessionist Imperium based out of the Fenrisian sector (The Aett is the second most secure fortress outside the Imperial Palace). Guilliman has no right to deman fealty from another Primarch. Every Primarch alive might free the Emperor from his throne. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Unpopular opinion here, but I don't think there should be any more Loyalist Primarchs. There's a precedence for Traitor Primarchs since they technically never went away but instead ascended to Daemonhood. However we have lore of most of the Loyalist Primarchs going off to their certain doom. The one exception I would be cool with is Vulkan since he can't really die. Not for good, anyhow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusktiger Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 looking at the list of their fates, i'd say a reasonable candidate for return would be the Khan. he's been lost in the webway hunting drukhari all this time. And they used Yvhraine as a plot device for bringing Guilliman back to life. So it's not far fetched to think they could use them again to further the plot by having Ynnari forces seek him out, whether actively or by random chance, and kick him back into real-space to rejoin the Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Unpopular opinion here, but I don't think there should be any more Loyalist Primarchs. There's a precedence for Traitor Primarchs since they technically never went away but instead ascended to Daemonhood. However we have lore of most of the Loyalist Primarchs going off to their certain doom. The one exception I would be cool with is Vulkan since he can't really die. Not for good, anyhow.Honestly a few years ago I would have said the same, but they have done a great job giving snippets of some primarch lore, such as the wonderful bit on Corax. At this point they will have to bring a couple loyalists back, bit as the short story showing Corax shows it will not all be as it was before.But as was said before I agree that the Lion should not be the second (or even third) loyalist back. Give Russ and Corax a chance (or Vulkan). They will have more constructive storytelling to be had with the G. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonreaper666 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 All of the Primarchs, both Loyal and Traitor, are coming back Hopefully, it would answer questions that need to be answered -Result of Corax hunting down Lorgar in the Warp -Who/what defeated Dorn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 My vote is naturally for the best Primarch to come back first: Dorn, but I can live with the Primarch equiv of Sleeping Beauty being next (as long as Logar doesn't have to be the one to wake him). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Well, we've been given snippets of info in Lords of Silence that "all surviving Loyalist Primarchs will return", but that leaves open that some of the 'vanished' could be dead. Dorn for one, and I'm assuming the Khan as well (dude followed some Dark Eldar into the Webway right behind them, he's definitely been fighting non-stop in the Wych Cults ever since). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK0SIAN Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I’d say Russ was the most likely contender to be next. For a start, you’re going to have a lot of annoyed HH players if The Lion gets a 40K model before they’re done in HH, they’ve been waiting literally years :) Russ also makes more sense in offering a different play style/rules to RG. The Lion and RG are quite similar in style. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 narratively speaking, it would be too much like the Imperium Secundus arc in the Horus Heresy, where he butted heads with Guilliman and the tension couldn't be resolved until a third Primarch arrived. Considering how similar it already is I'd rather say it's an argument in favour of the Lion coming back next lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 As long as they don't follow up the Lion's return with Sanguinius coming back and being crowned Emperor, I'm fine with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 If we really must have Loyalist Primarchs return, I'd hope Lion El'Jonson's return would create something of a Separatist Faction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranulf Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 It'll be Russ for sure - he'll break the Big E out of his shiny chair and carry him around in a backpack Master-Blaster style. I'd like to see Lion return - as stated earlier in the thread, he'd make a perfect foil for Guilliman. One bears the mantle of Lord Commander, the other thinks he was born to it; let the hijinks ensue. -Ran Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 i kinda like the 1 loyalst primarch against almost all his chaos brothers as it is for now i don't really have a preference for the next one, but i would hope there'd been some butting of heads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 As long as they don't follow up the Lion's return with Sanguinius coming back and being crowned Emperor, I'm fine with it. :D Ah we have Dante wearing Sanguinius face for the northern half of the Imperium instead already. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinstryfe Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 How I'd imagine the return of any loyalist Primarch going: Primarch: I won't bend the knee and serve under you as some mere pawn, brother! Guilliman: Oh thank goodness you're back brother! Have you seen how badly they messed up the Imperium? I need help! You've always wanted to be Warmaster, right? Really, for all the tensions between them at times, the loyalists remained loyal seemingly in part because they could get along in service of The Emperor, and they seemed to acknowledge each other's strengths. Especially Guilliman who based parts of the codex on their various expertise. If we assume that Ferrus is gone for good, I can't imagine Guilliman being anything but relieved by his "dauntless few" returning, and I imagine that some combination of him, Dorn, Russ, and the Lion would be the best bet the Imperium has at surviving. For all the hate he gets, and for all the people who want their Primarch to come and kick his tushy, Guilliman is always portrayed as being extremely capable of judging the strengths of others. If the Lion came back next I feel he would be given his greatest wish: Guilliman running the administratum from Terra or Macragge while Warmaster el'Johnson leads the fight from the front. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Loyalty is it's own reward. Much in the way Dante is the Warden of Imperium Nihilus, I'm sure the Lion would gain his own realm of influence, or, be put to good use in the current tumultuous Imperium. When he returns, he'll basically be in command of a Legion and one of the most powerful battleships in galaxy (The Rock) so would probably do his own thing bringing the fight to Chaos and hunting the Fallen. The reason they butted heads in the Imperium Secondus Arc is their small operating space the Primarchs had to share. They were trapped within Ultramar with no where else to go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decimus Felix Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I actually want to see Vulkan, the people's Primarch next. I don't want him back how Guilliman is, as another special character for Ultramarines, I want him as someone leading any and all Imperial armies. I see Vulkan as a protector, and I'm sure in the Beast Arises series he's just been protecting planets. I don't want him as a General, and I don't want him in the SM codex, tbh, I don't know what codex I'd put him in apart from and Imperial Agents one, I want him as a guardian angel for the little people, leading armies of PDF and Arbites in a last ditch defence etc. Play wise, I also think he'd be a good opposite to Guilliman, the Lion would be too similar, they'd both buff Imperial units, have a sword, shoot a nice bolter and give their Legion a great boost. Vulkan, however, would hit harder, with a hammer probably, have rules to reflect his perpetual nature, and I'd love some type of ranged flamer weapon on him. Huge wishlisting, I know, but I've got Guilliman, and I love him, so I don't want another Primarch that's basically a copy and paste rules wise, and wouldn't be in the same engagement (on the same side at least) fluff wise. I just want to play lots of Primarchs... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Like I mentioned in another thread: Several key things were lifted from the Horus Heresy and implemented into the new lore, usually poorly, including and not limited to: -Similarities between Imperium Nihilus and Imperium Secundus. -Gulliman appointing the leader of the Blood Angels as regent of this second empire (Sanguinius in IS, Dante in IN) -Ruinstorm is back in the guise of the Great Rift -Primach brother on brother antagonism -Custodes are no longer just on Terra -There was another Daemon attack on Terra Again, this was just some stuff that came off the top of my head when it came to another thread, so I'm sure people can think of others. It's one thing to be inspired by, its a whole other thing to copy. So if this is any indication, yes the Lion will return, and it'll be exactly like it was in the Heresy, but worse. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 The reason they butted heads in the Imperium Secondus Arc is their small operating space the Primarchs had to share. They were trapped within Ultramar with no where else to go. I'd disagree there - the Lion saw Roboute's seeming empire building, and challenged him. Guilliman only prepared Imperium Secundus as he couldn't contact the Emperor to find out what was going on, or whether the Imperium still existed. Now Guilliman carries the Emperors sword, and rules with his blessing. The Lion cannot refute that. Lion can even go ask Big E if he chooses. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/24/#findComment-5168602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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