Sete Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 By that fact .... why not Dorn? Because Dorn is dead. Nope. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5168825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Guilliman has been appointed by the Emperor to be his proxy - The Imperial Regent and Lord Protector. There is no one with equal authority save the Emperor himself. Wrong. That’s just your headcanon. Guilliman might be in charge now. But if another primarch returns the situation changes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5168828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 He met the Emperor and was granted the Emperor's sword by the Custodes as a symbol of his new authority. He only assumed his position following the meeting so it must be his instruction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5168831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Again, that’s your headcanon. Stop trying to pass it off as official. We don’t know what would happen when another Primarch returns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5168834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickSix Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Guilliman has been appointed by the Emperor to be his proxy - The Imperial Regent and Lord Protector. There is no one with equal authority save the Emperor himself. Yeah, becuase G-man is all there is. If the Lion showed up first he would have all those fancy titles. Don't pretend G-man was put in charge because he was G-man, he was put in charge because he was there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5168836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 He met the Emperor and was granted the Emperor's sword by the Custodes as a symbol of his new authority. He only assumed his position following the meeting so it must be his instruction. Since he's the only the Loyalist Primarch that has returned so far, the Emps might not have had a choice. If Angron suddenly got over his khorne cold and became the only Loyalist Primarch around, then maybe Big E would have given Angron his sword as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5168838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Eh if the Lion goes to the Emperor and big E tells him he's supposed to have an equal position to Guilliman then it'll be so. Unless that happens tho, Guilliman is the big E approved leader of the imperium, that's a fact. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5168842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 To Marshall Rohr: Well, until the Emperor denounces Guilliman the argument is moot. It's not my head cannon, it's the cannon. A Daemon even refers to RG as the "Little Emperor" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5168843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Matt Ward wet dream finally came true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5168872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinstryfe Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 One thing that was mentioned that I do think would happen would be Dorn opting to lead the Templars on his return. GW has already kind of set the reason for it as well. The Fists as we know them aren't really technically a First Founding chapter anymore, their initial legacy having died out and been resurrected, while the Black Templars are descended from the beginning from those warriors who fought under him. I could even see him adopting the Templars as his "Chapter" and the sons of Dorn all being rolled into a Black Templars codex letting you play as several successor Chapters or the fists. Having a Primarch to anchor it could make it a bigger showing than they'd normally get for BT armies, and I could see him deciding after 10,000 years that it's time to stop hiding behind walls and take the fight to the enemy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5168883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickSix Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Eh if the Lion goes to the Emperor and big E tells him he's supposed to have an equal position to Guilliman then it'll be so. Unless that happens tho, Guilliman is the big E approved leader of the imperium, that's a fact. Yeah we aren't arguing that. But Ishagu is coloring things as if Guilliman wpuld have been put in charge regardless of other Primarchs or that other Primarchs will have to bend the knee in the future. We have no idea if Guilliman's status will remain unchanged if one of his brothers shows up. For all we know when the Lion comes back the Emperor could be like "Oh thank goodness! I can't believe I had to put Guilliman in charge." Guilliman is in charge for now. As I literally just said, stop acting like he was the first choice instead of the only choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5168887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 One thing that was mentioned that I do think would happen would be Dorn opting to lead the Templars on his return. GW has already kind of set the reason for it as well. The Fists as we know them aren't really technically a First Founding chapter anymore, their initial legacy having died out and been resurrected, while the Black Templars are descended from the beginning from those warriors who fought under him. I could even see him adopting the Templars as his "Chapter" and the sons of Dorn all being rolled into a Black Templars codex letting you play as several successor Chapters or the fists. Having a Primarch to anchor it could make it a bigger showing than they'd normally get for BT armies, and I could see him deciding after 10,000 years that it's time to stop hiding behind walls and take the fight to the enemy. The Fists Exemplar, like the Black Templars, were a 2nd Founding Chapter, so their pedigree is every bit as VIIth Legion as the Black Templars. In this, they are closer to the 2nd Founding Imperial Fists Chapter (which Dorn led until his death) than the Black Templars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5168951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Shift Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 My personal preference is Dorn with a Black Templar/sons of Dorn codex but realistically I think it will be Russ, followed by the Lion. I hope for one soon though, it's been well over a year since the last loyalist. I think a dorn/bt/sisters religious book could be an interesting counterpart to a non-superstitious guilliman faction and a more feral wolf side. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5168956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Dorn ain't dead. Vulkan said so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5168963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Eh if the Lion goes to the Emperor and big E tells him he's supposed to have an equal position to Guilliman then it'll be so. Unless that happens tho, Guilliman is the big E approved leader of the imperium, that's a fact. Yeah we aren't arguing that. But Ishagu is coloring things as if Guilliman wpuld have been put in charge regardless of other Primarchs or that other Primarchs will have to bend the knee in the future. I really didn't read his comments that way tho. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5168982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratherdashing Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I can't say if I'd prefer a narrative about the brothers feuding or about them getting along. But feuding is still a distinct possibility, IMO. In a setting where people can make a credible argument that the Emperor has been dead for 10,000 years, saying, "no, I promise, the Emperor put me in charge!" holds weight only for those who already want him to be in charge. The Ecclesiarchy says they speak for the Emperor too. But that doesn't mean the Space Wolves agree. The Space Wolves in particular have along their ranks someone who fought in the times of Leman Russ and the Emperor. I doubt most of their older leaders see Russ or the Emperor as gods, but as legendary warriors, commanders, and bros to the max. That said, I could see Russ agreeing to serve under Gman, no problem. But I could also see him saying, "hold the phone on this whole new empire thing". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5168983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingDeth Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 It won't happen because GW likes spacing out releases but I like the concept of Russ and the Lion returning simultaneously, it'd be like the world's grimdarkiest buddy cop movie. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5168995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 As far back as 3rd Edition, Ferrus Manus was prophesied to return and lead his sons at Mankind's darkest hour. Index Astartes: look it up. /broken record Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5169048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 RG may be hated, but not only was he the only choice to lead, he was the best choice. Also, for all the petty bickering and fights, RG was the only remaining one who could work with all of his loyalist brothers. Even Dorn had serious issues to prevent him from ruling (and he was probably #2 on the list). Others like the Lion just couldn't have been trusted to command it all, and would probably have been blocked by the banana boys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5169068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 As far back as 3rd Edition, Ferrus Manus was prophesied to return and lead his sons at Mankind's darkest hour. Index Astartes: look it up. /broken record inb4 Cawl makes him a shiny new replacement cranium :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5169081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 I’d say Russ was the most likely contender to be next. For a start, you’re going to have a lot of annoyed HH players if The Lion gets a 40K model before they’re done in HH, they’ve been waiting literally years Russ also makes more sense in offering a different play style/rules to RG. The Lion and RG are quite similar in style. Considering 40K Magnus dropped before 30K Magnus, I doubt doing another 40K primarch before the 30K one is ready will really bother GW that much... 30K players will buy 40K Lion as a place holder until 30K Lion shows up. 40K players buy 40K Lion... win-win for GW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5169151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 RG may be hated, but not only was he the only choice to lead, he was the best choice. Also, for all the petty bickering and fights, RG was the only remaining one who could work with all of his loyalist brothers. Even Dorn had serious issues to prevent him from ruling (and he was probably #2 on the list). Others like the Lion just couldn't have been trusted to command it all, and would probably have been blocked by the banana boys. Except it's been 10k year and any Primarch could change. Russ has 2 polar opposites and is a great example of how dramatic they could change a Primarch. Russ could come back as Odin-Russ and tutored by Valdor to take the Emperor's place, much wiser and heavilly changed. Or he could come back as a Wulfen and be unable to lead even a chapter. RG is the only choice right now, but not necessarily the best choice as we have nothing else to compare it to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5169161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Wouldn't it be interesting if it was Valdor who was to return instead of a Primarch? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5169162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 I think Valdor CAN potentially return. His current status is very ambiguous. I think Russ and the Lion will be the next loyalists because they each represent a different codex army. If Dorn or Vulkan returned it would mean the standard codex has multiple Primarchs whilst other books have none. As for which Primarch is best qualified to run the Imperium, it's hard to argue that it''s Guilliman. Russ isn't as politically minded, the Lion inspires no one. Russ might return as a wise figure, but he still has no experience with what Guilliman is doing. The Lion is documented as failing to understand emotions and feelings in people and would create many enemies and ruffle even more feathers. Running an empire is different to commanding an army in battle. Also, as 60% of all Astartes originate from the Ultras the others wouldn't command quite the same authority across the galaxy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5169171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Interesting possibility if they do bring back 'codex' primarchs like The Khan or Corax, that they may get special units and seperate codices for their chapters as well. Like the Deathguard and the Thousand Sons have models and separate rules from the csm codex. That would be really really cool! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/26/#findComment-5169183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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