Which primarch is next? Or will it be two?

[Heru]

My guess as to the order from a logical release tied perspective:

 

1. Lion (with or followed by Codex DA) >

2. New Thousand Sons Codex (updated Magnus rules) >

3. Russ (with or followed by Codex SW) >

4. Fulgrim (with Codex Emperor's Children and an AoS Slaanesh release) >

5. Angron (with Codex World Eaters) >

6. Dorn (with new Codex SM) > 

7. Perturabo or Lorgar Daemon Primarch (with new Codex CSM)

8. Any other Primarchs in various order.

 

I've put the update for the Thousand Sons at 2, because I think GW will properly want to update their rules before throwing in another loyalist Primarch. Not included is Codex Blood Angels because I don't think GW will bring back Sanguinius. I do not believe GW will release any non-specialist Codex Primarch before the specialist ones).

 

Confirmed dead Primarch list (without canon re-writing conflicts):

Ferrus Manus

Sanguinius

Horus

Konrad Curze

 

Sure we might see the dead return, but that would require some serious fluff shenanigans.

 

Dorn isn't on the dead list because they keep changing his disappearance story (just a hand recovered / full skeleton recovered).

[Guest Triszin]

I'd like Gw to pull a curve ball and we End up getting Corvus as the next loyal primarch.

[Lord Marshal]

Why wouldn't Lorgar sell??

 

If the model and rules are good he'll fly off the shelves. Word Bearers have amazing lore, fantastic paint scheme and units. They simply haven't been a focus in 40K releases.

 

Word Bearers aren't a popular Legion among anybody but Black Library readers.

 

He's not a loyalist Primarch. I'm willing to bet Gulliman outsold Magnus and Mortarion 2:1 at least.

 

It's not to say he wouldn't sell per say, he just wouldn't pull in as much money as any loyalist or Angorn/Fulgrim. I think we'll see him eventually, but I'd still give it five years or so.

[Sun Reaver]

My thoughts. 

 

Logically, I think the Lion and Angron are next in that order. 

 

Wishfully, I would like to see an answer to what the hell is going on the Omegon. If that is not possible, it would be neat to see Corax or Vulkan as I think they would be most agreeable with what RG is doing. On the Chaos side, I am fine with Angron, but Perturabo would be cool too. 

[Sete]

I hope next one is the Lion.

Probably the only one I'll get on Loyalist side.

Maybe a Dornaught.

[RandomMarine]

Calling the redeemed and new traitor as Perturabo and The Kahn. Perturabo because his main reason for turning was guilt and he hates chaos and ascended in a weird way without asking for it or needing it unlike the others. With Big E being able to communicate to primarchs now true forgiveness is a option .

 

As for the Kahn that long in the hands of the DE will bddak

[Urriak Urruk]

My guess as to the order from a logical release tied perspective:

 

1. Lion (with or followed by Codex DA) >

2. New Thousand Sons Codex (updated Magnus rules) >

3. Russ (with or followed by Codex SW) >

4. Fulgrim (with Codex Emperor's Children and an AoS Slaanesh release) >

5. Angron (with Codex World Eaters) >

6. Dorn (with new Codex SM) >

7. Perturabo or Lorgar Daemon Primarch (with new Codex CSM)

8. Any other Primarchs in various order.

 

I've put the update for the Thousand Sons at 2, because I think GW will properly want to update their rules before throwing in another loyalist Primarch. Not included is Codex Blood Angels because I don't think GW will bring back Sanguinius. I do not believe GW will release any non-specialist Codex Primarch before the specialist ones).

 

Confirmed dead Primarch list (without canon re-writing conflicts):

Ferrus Manus

Sanguinius

Horus

Konrad Curze

 

Sure we might see the dead return, but that would require some serious fluff shenanigans.

 

Dorn isn't on the dead list because they keep changing his disappearance story (just a hand recovered / full skeleton recovered).

There is no way we will see Primarchs released that quickly. We’ll get max 2 Primarchs a year, and the cod exes will be released much faster than that.

[twopounder]

 

My guess as to the order from a logical release tied perspective:

 

1. Lion (with or followed by Codex DA) >

2. New Thousand Sons Codex (updated Magnus rules) >

3. Russ (with or followed by Codex SW) >

4. Fulgrim (with Codex Emperor's Children and an AoS Slaanesh release) >

5. Angron (with Codex World Eaters) >

6. Dorn (with new Codex SM) >

7. Perturabo or Lorgar Daemon Primarch (with new Codex CSM)

8. Any other Primarchs in various order.

 

I've put the update for the Thousand Sons at 2, because I think GW will properly want to update their rules before throwing in another loyalist Primarch. Not included is Codex Blood Angels because I don't think GW will bring back Sanguinius. I do not believe GW will release any non-specialist Codex Primarch before the specialist ones).

 

Confirmed dead Primarch list (without canon re-writing conflicts):

Ferrus Manus

Sanguinius

Horus

Konrad Curze

 

Sure we might see the dead return, but that would require some serious fluff shenanigans.

 

Dorn isn't on the dead list because they keep changing his disappearance story (just a hand recovered / full skeleton recovered).

There is no way we will see Primarchs released that quickly. We’ll get max 2 Primarchs a year, and the cod exes will be released much faster than that.

 

 

Unless they're already done. I have a feeling that there is a very large backlog of releases.

[bluntblade]

I'm going to be so miffed if the Khan has turned traitor.

[The Doctor Of War]

I'm going to be so miffed if the Khan has turned traitor.

You would not be alone on that.

[The_son_of_Dorn]

if it is angron do we have an eta?

 

Also, i think they are just trying to level the playing field. I pray to zombie jesus that khan doesnt go traitor. More like space mongel lead empire of the west (think robby g but on the left side of the galactic map)

 

Same as chaos are fractured so are the loyalists. Till one can unite them all.

[Guest]

I don't think we will see Angron for another 6-8 months. Probably get a loyalist (lion) first, then a clock reset.

 

 

If all through all the primarchs do come back I kind of feel Dorn wouldn't be siding with RG. He was conflicted about the Codex and had to be convinced to accept it, thinking it would be for the better. If he came back and saw his legion even more messed up and the empire a bigger disaster than before he might be angry about it. The BT worshipping the Emperor is another thing he would have to deal with.

 

I agree though about Russ and Lion. They are a clash of culture (Viking vs Knights) but they both hold honor high and both respect each other. The recent Leman Russ book heavily reflects that. I would love to see them work together.

 

Curiously the map at (https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/galaxy-shadowbox.jpg) only shows BA/DA/SW/UM/Sallies/IF. I wonder if we will have a North vs South (ie BA/DA/SW vs UM/IF/Sallies) setup. Would be pretty good as one group is non-codex the other is Codex compliant.

[Leif Bearclaw]

One thing I just don't get with a lot of this speculation. Why are people so quick to assume/enthusiastic about the idea of another Imperial civil war and schism? None of the Primarchs are stupid (or at least, they shouldn't be, some of the comments circulating from the Studio from the Gathering Storm make me wonder if the writers have forgotten any nuance of the characters). GW seem to have been piling on the 'Imperium totally screwed' in the new 8th edition fluff (and yet get accusations of 'not grimdark!' and 'too hopeful' thrown at them, I'd actually have liked to see something go right for the Imperium for once, but I digress). Do we really think any returning Primarch is going to think it's more important to feud with Gulliman and the Ultras rather than fighting to prevent what's left of the Imperium becoming Daemon/Nid/Ork/Necron chow? Dorn, Khan etc. may not be comfortable with some of Gulliman's schemes, but they should have the intelligence to realise that's less important than the Daemon Primarchs spreading literal hell throughout the galaxy.

[The Doctor Of War]

One thing I just don't get with a lot of this speculation. Why are people so quick to assume/enthusiastic about the idea of another Imperial civil war and schism? None of the Primarchs are stupid (or at least, they shouldn't be, some of the comments circulating from the Studio from the Gathering Storm make me wonder if the writers have forgotten any nuance of the characters). GW seem to have been piling on the 'Imperium totally screwed' in the new 8th edition fluff (and yet get accusations of 'not grimdark!' and 'too hopeful' thrown at them, I'd actually have liked to see something go right for the Imperium for once, but I digress). Do we really think any returning Primarch is going to think it's more important to feud with Gulliman and the Ultras rather than fighting to prevent what's left of the Imperium becoming Daemon/Nid/Ork/Necron chow? Dorn, Khan etc. may not be comfortable with some of Gulliman's schemes, but they should have the intelligence to realise that's less important than the Daemon Primarchs spreading literal hell throughout the galaxy.

Personally, if a split is necessary, i would rather it was due to the next Primarch wishing to do something positive. So say the Lion comes back, instead of heading to Imperium Nihilus because he's in a nark with Rob, he goes because he sees the need for a Primarch to rally the Imperial troops on that side of the rift.

 

 

[Guest]

I don't think civil war but more of a clash of ideals. Codex vs non-codex, legions vs chapters, etc etc. They won't fight one another in battle but in how to rule and what is best for the imperium. The empire is too large and the primarchs to diverse to not have a clash of ideals.

[Kinstryfe]

I don't think civil war but more of a clash of ideals. Codex vs non-codex, legions vs chapters, etc etc. They won't fight one another in battle but in how to rule and what is best for the imperium. The empire is too large and the primarchs to diverse to not have a clash of ideals.

Problem there is that Guilliman is already starting to realize that the whole Chapter command went too far. I honestly think if The Lion returns and tells Guilliman that he wants his Legion back, Guilliman would inform him that it will be very unpopular with the other High Lords but that he wouldn't stop him. Also, the First is already/has always acted like a Legion anyway, just painted different colors to fool the authorities. I think any clash, based on established HH material, would be over the fact that The Lion would think himself a better military ruler than Guilliman, and would think that he himself should be in charge of military matters. Remember, Primarchs don't often clash over lofty ideals, they clash over ego and emotional issues.

[TheMawr]

"Some of the Primarchs will return to lead
forces OTHER than their original Legions/Chapters, and will have
different allegiances."

This quote started the entire One will turn good and one will turn to chaos rumor, in a magnificent Chinese whisper style.
Origin : http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323519-30-years-of-40k-winter-is-coming-end-times-8th-chaos/

So basically what this says is.. Rogal Dorn could easily be the next loyal one, he might just not be part of the Space Marines (nor Imperial Fists) army.. he could return and lead another imperial army.. like, say, Talons of the Emperor.
But then I think his lost hand should be replaced with the actual "Talon" of the Emperor ;) plenty of sibling strife there... one carrying his blade, the other carrying his power-claws.

Almost any primarch could return not leading his original chapter/legion (though I think with those that were already seperate armies its likely they will.)
I dont expect any of the fallen Primarchs to return to the Imperium, its just too unlikely. And considering Chaos already has a good repertoire of potential big epic characters.. I dont really see any loyalist turn to chaos either. Just switching around between factions within their *category*


Sanguinus ofcourse returns leading the PLASTIC sisters of battle.


-- just my first 2 cents here--
 

[Urriak Urruk]

"Some of the Primarchs will return to lead

forces OTHER than their original Legions/Chapters, and will have

different allegiances."

 

This quote started the entire One will turn good and one will turn to chaos rumor, in a magnificent Chinese whisper style.

Origin : http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323519-30-years-of-40k-winter-is-coming-end-times-8th-chaos/

 

So basically what this says is.. Rogal Dorn could easily be the next loyal one, he might just not be part of the Space Marines (nor Imperial Fists) army.. he could return and lead another imperial army.. like, say, Talons of the Emperor.

But then I think his lost hand should be replaced with the actual "Talon" of the Emperor plenty of sibling strife there... one carrying his blade, the other carrying his power-claws.

 

Almost any primarch could return not leading his original chapter/legion (though I think with those that were already seperate armies its likely they will.)

I dont expect any of the fallen Primarchs to return to the Imperium, its just too unlikely. And considering Chaos already has a good repertoire of potential big epic characters.. I dont really see any loyalist turn to chaos either. Just switching around between factions within their *category*

 

 

Sanguinus ofcourse returns leading the PLASTIC sisters of battle.

 

 

-- just my first 2 cents here--

 

 

Dorn with his dad's power claw? Hell YES!

[Guest]

What awful son's. Dad gets put in a retirement coma and they go steal all his prized stuff.

 

 

Wonder what Lion and Russ will take...

[Kinstryfe]

The Lion will fight with Guilliman over the sword, since his own is off roving the Galaxy without him.

I could see Russ taking something small and random as a charm. He's the Great Wolf, he'll probably return from the eye with more weapons than he left with.

I'm also now totally expecting the Admech to get FrankenFerrus at some point.

[Fire Golem]

 

I'm going to be so miffed if the Khan has turned traitor.

 

You would not be alone on that.

Me too. He didn’t turn in the Heresy when you could argue he had good reason to (or at least it would have been understandable that he would join Horus), it would be completely against his character to turn now.

[RikuEru]

What awful son's. Dad gets put in a retirement coma and they go steal all his prized stuff.

 

 

Wonder what Lion and Russ will take...

Russ wouldn't have to steal from Dad, he just has to grab his Spear from the Shelf on Garm ;D

[High Marshal Bohemond]

I completely disagree that the loyalist Primarchs would not "fight". I think if you go back and look at the interactions of the loyalist with each other during the HH it would break down like this:

 

Lion returns first. He and Guilliman have too much History and the Lion essentially Hates Guilliman, add to that the Lions extremely high self pride, he already believed he should have been the Warmaster and also believed he should have led Emperium Secundus. Had he not already been asleep I garuntee he would have caused a second Civil War over the Codex. Plus the first time Guilliman became the Emperors Steward he essentially stole the position from Dorn. The Emperor appointed Dorn and gave him tasks to carry out before placeing him on the Golden throne, Guilliman seized the opportunity to "Empire Build" as even Malcador the Sigilite distrusted Guilliman's interest prior to and during the Heresy. Lion will take his toys and any that will follow him and take Imperium Nihlus. The Wolves would follow, there is a rivalry there but it is out of respect and honor rites not hatred. 

 

Russ returns and see's what has happend and also Joins the Lion seeing Guilliman as the unintentional architect of what has happened to the Empire.

 

Guilliman starts to struggle (to many fronts to fight) and looks for assistance, finds Dorn and Dorn begrudgingly joins him to save the Imperium. Dorn also bitchslaps the Black Templars for their beliefs much like he did to Sigismund and  gets them more in line with the original Imperial Truth and also re-enacts the Last Wall Protocol to help Guilliman secure the Imperium

 

We end up with essentially the Holy Roman Empire, an Empire divided in 2 ruled by "co-consuls" Where the other primarchs still serve as equals, just the principal of Guilliman and the Lion being "first" amongst equals kind of thing.

[Robbienw]

The Lion doesnt hate guilliman!  They may have had disagreements, but they get on better and fight together in Ruinstorm.

[Ishagu]

Yeah there's no real animosity between them. Just brotherly differences.