Khalan Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Really curious to read wording on deep strike strategem, would be super nice to be able to use it on CSM Demon units as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 The relic is sick. For basically free (unless you take more than one relic) you get a Daemon Prince with 5 (6 on the charge) S10 (11 on the charge) AP-4 D1d6 attacks that re-roll wound rolls against Titanic units and get an additional 1d3 Mortal wounds for each 6 you roll to wound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshlands Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/02/faction-focus-daemons-of-khornegw-homepage-post-4/ Preview shows a few other things that would also help boost a bloodthirster. I'm still hoping for general increase to a greater daemons wounds and in the case of a GUO toughness 8 would be nice as well. The plastic greater daemons are almost the size of a Primarch and personally I'd like them to be at least comparable in wounds if not as powerful overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) I'd be very surprised if any of the greater daemons gained wounds. That being said, I'd love to be wrong about that. Deep striking 60 bloodletters for 4 CP sounds like a great deal, to me. Can't wait to do that alongside dropping my berzerker-laden Dreadclaws. *swoon* And hell, why not infiltrate 40 cultists for another 1 CP. Control the entire :cuss board. Edited January 2, 2018 by Juggernut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar K. Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 ... 24 Warlrod Traits. Holy Emperor. 6 for every God makes sence right? Daemons arnt Heretical Humans afteral they are Chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Ipsa Loquitur Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Theoretically you could drop Zarakynel or An'ggrath 9" away for 2CP, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 As far as we know right now, yes. For all we know there's an "except titanic models" rule, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar K. Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Well we dont know the exact Stratagem wording, so maby. Maby we can drop Mortarion and Lord of Skulls but we dont know. (Didnt look at Dakkadakka last hours) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDeath Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I'd be very surprised if any of the greater daemons gained wounds. That being said, I'd love to be wrong about that. Deep striking 60 bloodletters for 4 CP sounds like a great deal, to me. Can't wait to do that alongside dropping my berzerker-laden Dreadclaws. *swoon* And hell, why not infiltrate 40 cultists for another 1 CP. Control the entire board. You are wrong (at least for AoS) I wouldn`t be surprised if that also carries over to 40K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I'm wrong about what? I have no idea what that picture means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 He's talking about the increased amount of wounds. That being said in AoS Daemons do have a very different profile than in 40k after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar K. Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Wouldnt be suprised to see the GUO to 16 to 40K aswell maby even 18 as the GDs have 14 usually in AoS. New models usually get updated Datasheets or Warscrolls :) What I am certain about is that the 40k GUO should be a bit stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Oooh, okay. Gotcha! Well, we'll see. GUO isn't who I was worried about. :P TheMuumio 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 Dunno I can't see the greater Daemons to get pushed that much while still being HQs. Maybe if they get moved into the LoW section. You have to take a Super Heavy Auxilliary Detachment just for Mortarion as well and that guy is already restricted by being a special character even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radionausea Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I can see GUO getting either T8 and 16 wounds or T7 and 18 wounds. Has to be tougher than a Bloodthirster or LoC but not as good at combat or casting respectively. Commissar K. 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar K. Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Dunno I can't see the greater Daemons to get pushed that much while still being HQs. Maybe if they get moved into the LoW section. You have to take a Super Heavy Auxilliary Detachment just for Mortarion as well and that guy is already restricted by being a special character even. I can see it happening, but only for the general thanks to a combination of Warlord Traits and Artefacts. If theyd be that strong standard I'd agree but a general GD should be on Primarch power levels Id say. Was true in 30k even. In a way a general is a special character too offcourse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshlands Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) Dunno I can't see the greater Daemons to get pushed that much while still being HQs. Maybe if they get moved into the LoW section. You have to take a Super Heavy Auxilliary Detachment just for Mortarion as well and that guy is already restricted by being a special character even. I kinda thought the same thing. Aside from whether it's tactically beneficial i quite like the idea of them being more powerful LoWs. IMO the new models justify it and aside from the four forgeworld characters daemons lack uber LoW units. The models are getting close in size to the forgeworld versions, the new GUO model with the current GUO stats would seem a bit off next to scabby with t9, 4++ and 22 wounds. T8 16 wounds for a GUO and toughness 7 14 wounds for the rest would be about what if want, but obviously all the stratagems and relics also affect how tough they are, the hive tyrant has become far more durable since the codex through a number of buffs, even giving greater daemons 4++ like they did for the HT would be huge. Edited January 2, 2018 by Marshlands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheex Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Oh wow. Daemon prince with Skullreaver, yes please! Only downside is the possible reduction in damage (D6 rather than a flat 3), but it's well worth it. I'll be very interested to see the rest of the relics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Ipsa Loquitur Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Supreme Command Detachments have a LoW slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawtooth Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) I've read rumors that pink horrors are str 4, and all horrors use their str for shooting strength, and that heralds still buff by +1 str. Has anyone seen reliable info on this? Edited January 2, 2018 by Sawtooth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar K. Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I've read rumors that pink horrors are str 4, and all horrors use their str for shooting strength, and that heralds still buff by +1 str. Has anyone seen reliable info on this? Well no, except that the same guy posting on Dakkadakka has posted that too. Wouldnt be suprised! Its not odd to see this boost if Smite isnt available en mass for Tzeentch. Link: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/747441.page?userfilterid=118149 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshlands Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I've read rumors that pink horrors are str 4, and all horrors use their str for shooting strength, and that heralds still buff by +1 str. Has anyone seen reliable info on this? It's not confirmed but that has been discussed in this thread and is from Dakka. Leak suggests large units of pink horrors are assault 3 and a unit of 30 could potentially fire 90 shots with reroll 1s to Hit from a DP, S4 or possibly 5 with Herald, +1 wound from a spell and reroll 1s to wound from a WL trait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawtooth Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Ack, sorry there are so many things happening I flat missed it was already there :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 If that were true how would you best run it in a battalion detachment? 30+ pinks in a squad and then brimstone horrors to fill out the troop tax? If Brimestones are 6++ I feel like they are little more than paper weights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshlands Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 If that were true how would you best run it in a battalion detachment? 30+ pinks in a squad and then brimstone horrors to fill out the troop tax? If Brimestones are 6++ I feel like they are little more than paper weights. If you don't min being poly god nurglings are a fantastic and reasonably cheap troop slot. Otherwise 10 horrors is the only option yeah, with current rules 10 brimstone are pretty durable but maybe 10 pink will be better with codex, kinda need to see the whole book though to properly compare Commissar K. 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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