ERJAK Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Cheaper autocannons and power fists is very welcome in my Guard, although kinda cranky the former doesn’t help the hydra since it has a set cost. Wait...I thought Autocannons went up? I don't know what they were before but a guard player I know was pretty mad. Fangbanger 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyadventurer Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Whoa, Twin Accelerator Autocannon is free now? Welcome back to my table Sicaran! Wonder if that's going to have an effect on the Astraeus cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Are there datasheet changes, or just points adjustments? That sorta determines whether or not this book is worth buying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogfender Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 What’s the allure of build your own land raider? Who actually plays open games? Struggling to see a point beyond ‘fun’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 An optimist could say that if this is successful, and community feedback is positive, GW could begin bringing in similar options for other vehicles and races and perhaps even make them a proper part of armies in the distant future. Who knows. Worst comes to worst it's just a 'fun' optional extra for people, even if most like myself don't really care about it. SickSix 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zectz Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Cheaper autocannons and power fists is very welcome in my Guard, although kinda cranky the former doesn’t help the hydra since it has a set cost. Wait...I thought Autocannons went up? I don't know what they were before but a guard player I know was pretty mad. Autocannon from 15 -> 12. He's mad about the other changes for sure ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 No 40k tau point shift = new dex soon?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Based on the product description, I'm not seeing anything that says the datasheets are changed. Only the points. If that's true, then this book is a hard pass for me. Final nail in the coffin for Renegades & Heretics, as well. Maybe one day they'll get their own army book/campaign book to make them worth playing, but until then Astra Militarum rules are the thing to use. The superheavy point increases were a bit disappointing, too. Workable, but lame. The worst offenders are the named greater daemons. I see we're back to the sacred number nonsense. Some changes are good, but I think I'll just save the relevant pages when better leaks show up and call it a day. Gentlemanloser 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I won't even need to save relevant pages. Three entries is enough to remember. ;) Especially when GKT will still never be used. So i can safely forget they now cost 41 points instead of 48... Plaguecaster 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splog Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Ugh. They should have produced complete points cost tables, now we need to consult multiple books (or be driven further into the welcoming arms of tools like BattleScribe). Noserenda and Panzer 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@verik115 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 They really should have done complete points tables. These are just irritating. Army building in 8th (especially with wargear) is now such a damn pain. Battlescribe makes it a little bit easier, but I still cannot trust battlescribe fully as I have found mistakes far too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Strike Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Did GK termies go down or up? Gumo9 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Down from 48 to 41. Still never be used though. the jeske 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERJAK Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 What’s the allure of build your own land raider? Who actually plays open games? Struggling to see a point beyond ‘fun’ You need more of a reason? I thought 'fun' was why we do this at all. Gumo9, Shockmaster, Lazarine and 6 others 9 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Strike Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I'm excited for VDRs and cheaper Primaris :D HCM is happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 GK techmarines still costing over double regular ones... And GKT at 41 ppm while normal termies are 26... GW have no clue. This is a sick joke. GK termintors should cost around 35pts, and still probably would require an extra rule or something like +1A. What is worse about all of this is that, if this is the year update and the codex is already out, the chance that anything will get changed next year is really low. IG changes are fun, some units fall out, other step in[some which were already being used by tournament players], melta gets switch for plasma. But what is really mind blowing is that somehow mortar teams did no go up in points. Gentlemanloser 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 They really should have done complete points tables. These are just irritating. Army building in 8th (especially with wargear) is now such a damn pain. Battlescribe makes it a little bit easier, but I still cannot trust battlescribe fully as I have found mistakes far too often. Ugh. They should have produced complete points cost tables, now we need to consult multiple books (or be driven further into the welcoming arms of tools like BattleScribe). Now now, dont forget 8th ed is super cool because you dont need to take multiple books to play an army like you did in 7th. ;) Lord Marshal and D3L 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 GK termintors should cost around 35pts, and still probably would require an extra rule or something like +1A. What is worse about all of this is that, if this is the year update and the codex is already out, the chance that anything will get changed next year is really low. That's our fear as well. It looks like a very bad time to be a GK player... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radionausea Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Some of the FW changes are bizarre. Mamon Transfigured has gone up to 220 points? He was pants at 180. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Hm, a good start, but still a missed opportunity. Still, I better be happy with that I have and what I have is usable Primaris. That’s a win in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 · Hidden by Excessus, November 25, 2017 - offtopic Hidden by Excessus, November 25, 2017 - offtopic Not to belabour the point. But sucks to be the only Chapter denied Primaris. Especially how hard they are being pushed. Link to comment
Blindhamster Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Wonder if grey knights will get special primaris at some point that are extra awesome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Yes and yes. Blindhamster 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 2019 with our next new codex no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 They don't need to wait for codex now. So could be any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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