“Wings” of the DA on Warhammer Community.

[Corswain]

Just thought I’d open up the discussion on this (again...) in light of the Warhammer Community article here - https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/12/15/secret-orders-of-the-dark-angels-dec-15gw-homepage-post-3/

 

What I specifically wanted to discuss is, are these descritptions canon now?

 

It’s just a copy/paste job from the unnoficial Lexicanum website, which is a first from GW, to my knowledge.

Lexicanum (unofficial site) has had these descriptions up for at least a year now and thye’re mostly based on speculation and some educated guesses, at least regarding the Firewing, Ironwing and Stormwing. It just seems like an odd thing for GW to back.

 

Why legitimise an unofficial (unless I’ve missed something) website’s lore?

 

What’s your take?

 

Edit: made some changes to try and make things a little clearer. Maybe it’s appropriate that a thread about the DA secret organisation is a bit confusing. :)

Edited December 15, 2017 by Corswain

[Robbienw]

The Dreadwing are in fact not lost, they are the 1st company of the angels of vengeance now, according to the new codex fluff :D

[Corswain]

The Dreadwing are in fact not lost, they are the 1st company of the angels of vengeance now, according to the new codex fluff :D

Really? That’s interesting. Do they just call themselves that but operate under the Deathwing structure? Or are they actually salt-the-earth type destroyers of life like the 30K Dreadwing?

 

I’m guessing it’s just a name.

Edited December 15, 2017 by Corswain

[Othniel's Blade]

Isn't this 'Lexicanum' a GW-term for their own writers, as the Lexicanum wiki is fan-made and does not yet have the same wording; though their main page has the tag: Please note that the wiki is for 'official canon only'.   This could imply that the wiki is meant to copy official writing, though.

 

Edit: I think Ironwing and Firewing was previously confirmed in 30k books, possibly the Stormwing as well.

Edited December 15, 2017 by Othniel's Blade

[Phoebus]

Could it be that they act in the role of the Deathwing while using the weapons and tactics of the Dreadwing?

[Phoebus]

Isn't this 'Lexicanum' a GW-term for their own writers, as the Lexicanum wiki is fan-made and does not yet have the same wording; though their main page has the tag: Please note that the wiki is for [/size]'official canon only'.  [/size] This could imply that the wiki is meant to copy official writing, though.

 

Edit: I think Ironwing and Firewing was previously confirmed in 30k books, possibly the Stormwing as well.

Corswain is referring to the Lexicanum website, which is unofficial, and it appears that the Deathwing entry is, indeed, identical - word for word.

 

The question is: did GW just copy and paste that entry (odd, but not impossible); did Lexicanum copy and paste from a GW source (entirely possible, but which source?); or is this a “community outreach” move where GW gave a nod a to a long-standing fan project?

[Corswain]

@ Othniel’s Blade - You might be right about Lexicanum in GW being a seperate thing but the descriptions are very close. Ironwing and Stormwing are almost word-for-word. And the Lexicanum site has had these up for a year.

 

See Deathwing, Ravenwing and even Dreadwing, I figured Lexicanum (the unofficial site) would use pre-existing GW blurbs. But for the others that have had no official, defined role, GW seems to have copied the unofficial site.

 

Edit: Actually, I don’t think we’ve ever had an official description of the 30K Ravenwing either. They have been mentioned, and the cavalry of the Order was called the Ravenwing but I think that’s it. We’re just working on (very probable, I’ll admit) assumptions.

Assumptions that GW seems to have canonised with info from a fan site.

Edited December 15, 2017 by Corswain

[Othniel's Blade]

Good point, I suppose the fluff passed around between pop-canon (ie forums; sites) and official sources can get blurred often. Ironwing is a RoW in 30k though, explicitly mentioning an abundance of heavy armour, is it not? Ravenwing (or Order of the Raven's Wing in another story) RoW is similar to 40k with cavalry/jetbikes, though detailed background is missing for both. Firewing was simply hinted in one of the red books with a a similar image to the one in the WHC article, I believe, as unkown as Stormwing excepting an emblem?

Insert far-fetched theory: Perhaps GW is making a move to takeover the Lexicanum site and bring it into the expanding fold of websites and sources. *puts on tinfoil hat*

[Corswain]

Forgot about the ROW’s. I don’t have that book. I don’t think it detracts from my question though.

 

Tinfoil hat may not be needed, you may be right. Tale of Painters pretty much shut down because they do so much work for GW now, so it’s not that far-fetched.

 

Of course, if you’re wearing the hat for fashion reasons, don’t let me stop you. You do you. ;)

Edited December 15, 2017 by Corswain

[Bryan Blaire]

Some people just like shiny hats!

[rendingon1+]

 

The Firewing was one of the six wings of the Hexagrammaton during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy. Its purpose is not known, completely lost to the mists of time. There are, however, intriguing heraldic links between the Firewing and the sigil of the Consecrators, a Successor Chapter of the Dark Angels.

 

Turbo lazy...

[Corswain]

 

 

The Firewing was one of the six wings of the Hexagrammaton during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy. Its purpose is not known, completely lost to the mists of time. There are, however, intriguing heraldic links between the Firewing and the sigil of the Consecrators, a Successor Chapter of the Dark Angels.

 

Turbo lazy...

Very. Which is why I find it so odd that GW has done this.

[Robbienw]

 

The Dreadwing are in fact not lost, they are the 1st company of the angels of vengeance now, according to the new codex fluff :D

Really? That’s interesting. Do they just call themselves that but operate under the Deathwing structure? Or are they actually salt-the-earth type destroyers of life like the 30K Dreadwing?

 

I’m guessing it’s just a name.

Just a name I think, it says about successors having equivalent companies to the deathwing and ravenwing with different names.

 

Perhaps evidence though that the Angels of vengeance are descended from members of the dreadwing who survived to the 2nd founding, maybe Farith Redloss was their first chapter master :D

[depthcharge12]

I’m sad there haven’t been any links between Dreadwing and the Star Phantoms who share their iconography :/

[rendingon1+]

Hm.

Its black livery was marked with the icon of the Dark Angels and in the pommel of the sword of the Legion symbol sat a skull-in-hourglass device that matched the iconography of the voted lieutenant. The same would be found somewhere in the heraldry of all that belonged to the Dreadwing.

"Skull-in-hourglass", not "skulls".

 

Star Phantoms are not DA successor.

[depthcharge12]

Hm.

Its black livery was marked with the icon of the Dark Angels and in the pommel of the sword of the Legion symbol sat a skull-in-hourglass device that matched the iconography of the voted lieutenant. The same would be found somewhere in the heraldry of all that belonged to the Dreadwing.

"Skull-in-hourglass", not "skulls".

 

Star Phantoms are not DA successor.

Not officially at least ;)

 

But the Star Phantoms have the only skull/skulls in hourglass symbol I know. Angels of Vengeance just have a skull with a hood like a biker gang :P

[Xenith]

I thought Lexicanum copied and pasted from GW texts?

[Corswain]

I thought Lexicanum copied and pasted from GW texts?

Normally that’s exactly what they do but in this case it looks like the opposite.

 

So...... does that make Lexicanum official? (We kinda got sidetracked but this is what I really wanna discuss)

 

I guess I’m not really looking for a definitive answer (only FW will be able to provide that), just people’s thoughts.

[Phoebus]

If this were a merger, you would think that either Games Workshop or Lexicanum would have made some sort of announcement. I'm not saying there's hasn't been some sort of coming together, just that this seems a strange way to go about it.

 

Can you imagine if a bunch of the background material GW uses was on a single-point-of-failure source? Like, all their articles and such all gone when a server crashed or computer died, and they had to turn to Lexicanum?!?