Spinsanity Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 To my knowledge, Imperial Fists, are the only chapter to currently have the privilege to draw recruits from Terra. Though [...] no Marines are kept on Terra in its defense, Hasn't this been retconned in 6th edition with the Sentinels of Terra book? I thought it had been established that the Fists' 3rd company were stationed on Terra... They used to keep brothers stationed on Terra, as per the War of the Beast series, but that war might have put an end to the practice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4987871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The Wall Protocol was broken by the War of the Beast and the stationing of Wall Brothers stopped being a thing after that. Shame really. Thinking of the odd fluff nugget: Black Templars, as per their one and only solo codex outting thus far, maintain keeps on world they retake in the Imperium's name to gather recruits through. EVERY keep has an Apothecary to screen the recruits down to the cellular level. Seeing as the Templars have retaking hundreds, if not thousands of worlds at this point, this means they have hundreds, if not thousands, of Apothecaries basically sprinkled all over the galaxy. Not even the Order Hospitaller, of the Sisters of Battle, can claim that level of medical support network. Question is if they accept my insurance plan.... And on a less serious note, if you ever want to see an Astartes panic attack, just get a Xenos to tell a Black Templar that they should crusade more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4987881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashur Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I really miss the first necron codex fluff, when they were a lovecraftian menace, hidden by aeons of time, and humanity was barely starting to put the pieces together and realizing a new danger was arising all over the place and even on Mars. It was deliciously macabre and sinister, especially the tech adept who discovered something about the necrons and ripped his mechanical augmentations from his body in horror. And none of his former coleagues understand his warnings that something is coming to feed on them all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4987898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 And on a less serious note, if you ever want to see an Astartes panic attack, just get a Xenos to tell a Black Templar that they should crusade more. That sounds like s fantastic idea for a short fanfic... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4987921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The Wall Protocol was broken by the War of the Beast and the stationing of Wall Brothers stopped being a thing after that. Shame really. Thinking of the odd fluff nugget: Black Templars, as per their one and only solo codex outting thus far, maintain keeps on world they retake in the Imperium's name to gather recruits through. EVERY keep has an Apothecary to screen the recruits down to the cellular level. Seeing as the Templars have retaking hundreds, if not thousands of worlds at this point, this means they have hundreds, if not thousands, of Apothecaries basically sprinkled all over the galaxy. Not even the Order Hospitaller, of the Sisters of Battle, can claim that level of medical support network. Question is if they accept my insurance plan.... And on a less serious note, if you ever want to see an Astartes panic attack, just get a Xenos to tell a Black Templar that they should crusade more. I really want a Black templar dex, when everyone realizes that they are legion strength. dorn been chilling in the fleet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4987926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I really want a Black templar dex, when everyone realizes that they are legion strength. dorn been chilling in the fleet. Anyone care to model Dorn cosplaying as a dreadnought? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4987946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I really want a Black templar dex, when everyone realizes that they are legion strength. dorn been chilling in the fleet. Anyone care to model Dorn cosplaying as a dreadnought? Pft, we all know he's a Centurion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4987953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Thinking of the odd fluff nugget: Black Templars, as per their one and only solo codex outting thus far, maintain keeps on world they retake in the Imperium's name to gather recruits through. EVERY keep has an Apothecary to screen the recruits down to the cellular level. Seeing as the Templars have retaking hundreds, if not thousands of worlds at this point, this means they have hundreds, if not thousands, of Apothecaries basically sprinkled all over the galaxy. Maintaining a keep isnt quite the same as permanently manning one and there are at least 2 references to templars returning to an unmanned keep to resupply/check up on it and having to evict various unsavories from the premises... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4988089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Not much of a recruitment center, nor first bastion of defense for the other wise unprotected world if it's empty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4988158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Sefiel Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Hello Greetings Red Orb Slicers - ever forgotten Aspect Warriors that were name dropped in 2nd edition, never to be heard again.Slicing Orbs of Zandros?They have (or at least Zandros has) been mentioned at least twice. Right. I recall them from 2nd edition Codex. What would be the other mentions? Interestingly, I thought I'd seen something about them very recently, but I can't remember where. Maybe you're right...Zandros is mentioned as the scene of a duel between Arhra and Karandras. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4988195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 One thing I remember reading is that the Ultramarines had concubines in the hopes of making sons who had a higher chance of being genetically suitable for Astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4988230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
karden00 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Greetings The Space Wolves fortress-monastery. I feel like a total Neophyte saying this but.... Huh? Ammmmmm.... I missing ....something? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4988257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Greetings The Space Wolves fortress-monastery. I feel like a total Neophyte saying this but.... Huh? Ammmmmm.... I missing ....something? The SW fortress-monastery used to be on a planet called Lucan back in RT days, conquered by Imperial Commander Leman Russ during the Lucan crusade. It reappeared in Inferno, where the campaign into the Wheel of Fire was Russ's first task upon taking command of the legion and an ork-held star system called Lucan was his main target. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4988363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Sefiel Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Hi GreetingsThe Space Wolves fortress-monastery. I feel like a total Neophyte saying this but.... Huh? Ammmmmm.... I missing ....something? The SW fortress-monastery used to be on a planet called Lucan back in RT days, conquered by Imperial Commander Leman Russ during the Lucan crusade. It reappeared in Inferno, where the campaign into the Wheel of Fire was Russ's first task upon taking command of the legion and an ork-held star system called Lucan was his main target. Correct. Back when Russ was an agent of the Adeptus Terra and had loads of great quotes about how to win wars instead of being a cliché-ridden space Viking. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4988794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemonifugue Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 "Fatally undone by their geneseed". A throwaway mention of the Flesh Eaters in a previous Blood Angels codex, which has opened up a flood of inspiration for my "on the cusp of turning renegade/khornate" marine force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4988807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Here are some more: - Space Marines have the Black Carapace to turn their Power Armour into a second skin, making it easier to control precisely. Most humans (save for cogheads) don't interface with machines like this so their power armour is a touch slower in response and lacks the same external sensitivity. This includes both flavors of Sisters as well - Void Whales are massive space dwelling creatures that can swallow whole planets, but it seems like only the Orks believe in them (one Ork WAAAAGH map actually mentioned a WAAAAAGH being eaten by a Void Whale).- Remembered a couple more -MkV armour wasn't a real new form of Power Armour, but rather cobbled together MkII-IV suits with bonding studs to hold extra plating to protect against bolter rounds. -MkVI armour (aka Beaky Armour) was developed with help from the Raven Guard legion and was the quietest version of Power Armour produced at the time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4988809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Not much of a recruitment center, nor first bastion of defense for the other wise unprotected world if it's empty. One of the BT short stories recalls them visiting a completely abandoned Chapter Keep because they had a load of Dreadnought chassis hidden in the basement, when they get there they find the keep inhabited by chaos cultists and the Imperial army laying siege to it. It turned out that no one on the planet knew it was a BT chapter keep as it had been abandoned before the colonists had arrived. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4989329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogWelder Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 One thing I remember reading is that the Ultramarines had concubines in the hopes of making sons who had a higher chance of being genetically suitable for Astartes. Why concubines lol? I'm sure there are a ton of women from the elite classes of Imperial society who'd jump at the opportunity. To improve their political and social standing of course Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4989360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhiv Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 One thing I remember reading is that the Ultramarines had concubines in the hopes of making sons who had a higher chance of being genetically suitable for Astartes. Why concubines lol? I'm sure there are a ton of women from the elite classes of Imperial society who'd jump at the opportunity. To improve their political and social standing of course This was before marines were retconned to be sterile and/or castrated. Probably in hopes of limiting the amount of awkward fanfiction. Slaneeshi marines then however bang anything and everything as established by Black Library. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4989368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfred_the_great Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 The Imperial Fist negotiating with a Tau ethereal on a Tau planet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4989378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Switching gears... The issue with the Raptors could be that the Raptors were created from the original hot-housed Marines, somehow. It's because the Raptors are the descendents of Corax's successful genetic tinkering. Since he used the pure strain of his own geneseed to make them, they lack a lot of the flaws of other successors. The other 2 Second Founding chapters were drawn from the Raven Guard he had left at the time, so they share the common Raven Guard flaws. ... I don't know if there's any official record of it, but in my headcanon the Raptors were named to honor the mutated Astartes Corax euthanized in order to remember their contributions. They fought right alongside the normal Astartes and performed admirably. Where are you guys getting some of this stuff? Apocryphal legend suggests that the Raptors were drawn from a company of new initiates training on the Raven Guard home world of Deliverance at the time of the infamous drop site massacre that laid the Raven Guard waste, and were spared some of the darker events that befell the Raven Guard as they attempted to rebuild. His Legion shattered [after the drop site massacre], Corax returned to Deliverance with orders to rebuild it as quickly as possible. It was a bleak time for the Primarch of the Raven Guard; the Imperium was teetering on the brink of collapse and desperately needed brave warriors, but he had none to give. A desperate situation called for desperate measures, and Corax locked himself within the shadowed chambers of the Ravenspire's Librarius to pour [sic] over volumes of forgotten lore in search of a solution. His researches led him back to the earliest days of genetic manipulation, when accelerated Zygote-harvesting techniques were used to create the first enhanced warriors with which the Emperor had long ago pacified Terra. Corax realized that this process could be modified to produce full-grown Space Marines at a frightening rate. But the ancient tomes also warned of the terrible dangers involved and the unspeakable monsters that could result. Though he knew he risked destroying his Legion, he reluctantly ordered the Apothecaries to begin the process. Of the Apothecaries' first creations, nothing is known for sure. The Raven Guard's records have been sealed with oaths and sigils of unspeakable power, and none of the members of the Chapter will speak of those blighted days. So assuming the apocryphal evidence is correct (and nothing in the Forge Worlds books that I've found contradicts it), the Raptors weren't in any way a result of Corax's genetic experimentation and their gene-seed upon being founded was comparable to the other 2nd Founding Successors of the XIXth Legion. And the source of their name has never been disclosed or even hinted at in official sources that I've consulted. More importantly, other than a Space Wolves source referring to the abominations as the "Weregeld," there are no known Raven Guard references to the abominations or what the XIXth Legion may have called them. The Raptors' Chapter badge bears a similarity to (but is not identical to) the bird of prey heraldry used by members of the XIXth Legion prior to the legion being reunited with its primarch (see page 140 of The Horus Heresy Book Three - Extermination). That imagery is frequently referred to as a "raptor" symbol in the various Horus Heresy books. The book Deliverance Lost has that the original hot-housed Marines created by Corax were organised into a group known as the Raptors within the wider Legion, and eventually the "Weregeld" were put into that group too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4989383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Why concubines lol? I'm sure there are a ton of women from the elite classes of Imperial society who'd jump at the opportunity. To improve their political and social standing of course You know that makes sense. It's just concubines was the exact word, although I cannot for the life of me remember where I read it. I'll see if I can find the exact quote. This was before marines were retconned to be sterile and/or castrated. Probably in hopes of limiting the amount of awkward fanfiction. Slaneeshi marines then however bang anything and everything as established by Black Library. Is it explicitly stated? I thought it was like Halo's Spartan-IIs in that the community assumed that was the case but it was never actually written. My assumption was that Astartes have no desire to start a family, but the plumbing still works. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4989403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 It's never been explicitly stated, I'd say it's just more that, as you've said Cpt_Reaper, that they have no desire for it. They've been extensively indoctrinated, hypnotised, and essentially brain-washed since around the age of 10. They don't really think in human terms anymore, to a greater or lesser extent depending on the Chapter. On one extent you've got the Black Templars, like Grimaldus, who struggle to relate to baseline humanity in any way, on the other you've got Chapters like the Salamanders/Ultramarines, who while they're close to humanity, still seem to recognise that they are "other". I think it's mainly just to make it a little more family-friendly. Some might see it as weird to have "and then, once the haemostamen is implanted, the Marine is castrated, as he's too busy killing the foes of the Emperor to get any". Probably the same reason why it's now called gene-seed, and no longer gene-sperm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4989449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapter master 454 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I believe it is one of the commandments that they aren't allowed! "Thou shalt not paint "If the rhino be a'rockin, don't come a'knocking" on any rhino transport" "Thou shalt not follow brother librarians now while thinking "can you hear me now"" "Thou shalt not shout at Dark Angel brothers "You can't handle the truth"" "Thou shalt not use guardsman lasguns as super soakers" Pretty sure there are a couple more ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4989490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogWelder Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Half the 40k smutfiction on Ao3 is Space Marine related so I doubt they had much of an impact in the 'awkward fanfiction' department I think Space Marines generally consider it a wasteful activity like painting or singing. Frivolous and impractical. BL books have had those kinds of scenes before though,@Lord_Caerolion. Most notably in the Gaunts Ghosts and Eisenhorn series. Its just that they often use Dan Abnetts famous 'fade to black' device the moment it starts lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342725-whats-your-favorite-piece-of-lore-thats-often-forgotten/page/7/#findComment-4989510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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