GreaterChickenofTzeentch Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Inferno bolter on hellbrute? Cool. More like inferno twin heavy bolter on a helbrute ;) Fire Frenzy every day, bro! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhhdan Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Damn, i'm really torn on several warlord traits or the daemonspark from the daemons codex... +1 to casting and is SO good, but re-rolling 1s to wound in shooting for any daemon units within 9" is also really good, as those exalted flamers become very reliable and horrors/flamers do even more damage (especially with the buff from mutalith)... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreaterChickenofTzeentch Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Damn, i'm really torn on several warlord traits or the daemonspark from the daemons codex... +1 to casting and is SO good, but re-rolling 1s to wound in shooting for any daemon units within 9" is also really good, as those exalted flamers become very reliable and horrors/flamers do even more damage (especially with the buff from mutalith)... Don't forget Forgefiends, especially with Flickering Flames. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Thats a fun idea regarding the helbrute Couple of major points I find *VERY* annoying:Exalted are stuck to force staves? dick move by GW.Another is Rubrics forcing 10 for the soul reaper? dick move GW. Scarab Occult are fine now, even with both gear for weapons were looking at 230 I think it was for the 5 with reaper and hellfyre. most termie squads are in this range, and we have a free accompanying sorcerer so its w/e in the end. they are decent terminators for what they are, but suffer from....well being Terminators in 8th, none are particularly good in serious metas regardless of which type. I usually take big squads of rubrics, but the "forcing 10 for reaper" is stupid and unfair compared to CSM version. No Rubric or Scarab Specific Strategems? What the hell GW. we are literally the *ONLY* units in the game that I am aware of that dont have a unique strategem beyond the generic (but great admittedly) VOTLW for our FACTION SPECIFIC ELITE UNITS. thats a dick move by GW, completely unfair when tzaangors got one anywho, couldnt do one for "all is dust" models? I will definitely take sorcerers, terminator ones are great with the free +1 each time they cast, Exalted I think overall are phenomenal now. for the 121 (140 on disc + a gun cost) for what they bring they are great, toss a relic on em and go to town. they have a reason to not be the bastard middle child, are (on foot) 60 points shy of a daemon prince, and taken in addition to Ahriman can be somewhere else while Ahriman flys off and does his thing, and thanks to the wonderful walord chart can have much of the same casting potential as Ahriman. Over alI *Definitely* see potential, but theres several design choices that are...shall we say Odd? Unfair? and some downright STUPID. (inferno for 1 cp before game effects a SINGLE GUN *RAW* not the whole vehicle.....stupid design choice) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhhdan Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Damn, i'm really torn on several warlord traits or the daemonspark from the daemons codex... +1 to casting and is SO good, but re-rolling 1s to wound in shooting for any daemon units within 9" is also really good, as those exalted flamers become very reliable and horrors/flamers do even more damage (especially with the buff from mutalith)... Don't forget Forgefiends, especially with Flickering Flames. And the disc riding bow shooty bois Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhhdan Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Thats a fun idea regarding the helbrute Couple of major points I find *VERY* annoying: Exalted are stuck to force staves? dick move by GW. Another is Rubrics forcing 10 for the soul reaper? dick move GW. Scarab Occult are fine now, even with both gear for weapons were looking at 230 I think it was for the 5 with reaper and hellfyre. most termie squads are in this range, and we have a free accompanying sorcerer so its w/e in the end. they are decent terminators for what they are, but suffer from....well being Terminators in 8th, none are particularly good in serious metas regardless of which type. I usually take big squads of rubrics, but the "forcing 10 for reaper" is stupid and unfair compared to CSM version. No Rubric or Scarab Specific Strategems? What the hell GW. we are literally the *ONLY* units in the game that I am aware of that dont have a unique strategem beyond the generic (but great admittedly) VOTLW for our FACTION SPECIFIC ELITE UNITS. thats a dick move by GW, completely unfair when tzaangors got one anywho, couldnt do one for "all is dust" models? I will definitely take sorcerers, terminator ones are great with the free +1 each time they cast, Exalted I think overall are phenomenal now. for the 121 (140 on disc + a gun cost) for what they bring they are great, toss a relic on em and go to town. they have a reason to not be the bastard middle child, are (on foot) 60 points shy of a daemon prince, and taken in addition to Ahriman can be somewhere else while Ahriman flys off and does his thing, and thanks to the wonderful walord chart can have much of the same casting potential as Ahriman. Over alI *Definitely* see potential, but theres several design choices that are...shall we say Odd? Unfair? and some downright STUPID. (inferno for 1 cp before game effects a SINGLE GUN *RAW* not the whole vehicle.....stupid design choice) i guess they think that the flare stratagem is a specific enough -_- But i mean, our aspiring sorcerers are really good now. Being able to fill pretty much any role you need, especially by swapping their smite with any power from any of the three disciplines with the chaos familiar :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhhdan Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 I think i'll always take my daemon prince now. 180 pts still for the amount of buffs he got is crazy.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhhdan Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Hmm, boon of mutation doesn't work on daemon characters, so no disc sorcerers or disc ahriman or magnus. So the terminator sorcerer is probably the best target for it or ahriman on foot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreaterChickenofTzeentch Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 I think i'll always take my daemon prince now. 180 pts still for the amount of buffs he got is crazy..He is awesome. Another thing regarding characters....you can actually rock an "Order of Ruin" Exalted, walking him around behind your tanks and healing them with Temporal Manipulation plus handing out "reroll 1's" while he farms command points with the Helm. All you need are an Exalted, some Techmarine bits, and some orange paint. ;) EDIT: Or you could run Ignis as a Termie Sorcerer with Credence as a Helbrute with Inferno bolts. No reroll 1's, but a psychic bonus at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalan Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Happy with Daemon prince buffs, the Helm is a must take in every game. Even as an extra, it will pay it's points off in 1 round of use. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodd1888 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Well said Son. I can see some competitive pieces with the cheap S5 auto-wounding bows that may be able to work. Using these is going to be essential to control the board and eliminate high priority targets. That said, it's really shocking to me that this is so off base to the communities desires. It's like Rubric marines were literally redacted from the TS. No stratagems for Rubrics, SO, Inferno Bolters, Warpflamers, or All is Dust. It's like Magnus, Ahriman, and a couple sorcerers decided to let the automatons sit around and collect dust while using goats as errand boys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 The inferno stratagem should include all bolter weapons on a vehicle. If you put it on a predator with 2 heavy bolters only one gets it? Etc. Otherwise I'm really enjoying what I see. I see a lot of potential, but you certainly have to be willing to run GW's vision of TS which is beastman heavy. I'm fine with it. I have 40 Tzaangors, the Shaman and Enlightened with plans for more enlightened to come. I'm thinking maybe a brigade of Tzaangors and sorcerers to get the coveted 12 CP a game. Helm of the third eye. Most definitely will take. Winter SEO said that the healing power works on vehicles so with my models I have now 1 dread, 2 predators with a sorcerer with a screen of Tzaangors. Not as dependable as a warpsmith but it will do its job. Maybe the sorcerer in Termi armor for the plus one the first power. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreaterChickenofTzeentch Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 As a note, Knights and many tanks are Ld9. Give a dude on a disk Seer's Bane and watch him lightsaber them to death. With VotLW and a Herald nearby, he'd be wounding on 2's. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skerr Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Its odd the number of flavorful stratgems, while cool, replace possible all is dust strats. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhhdan Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 hmm, I am struggling to include all the synergies in a single list that has enough command points and/or psykers to use everything... Also, in an infantry heavy list, mutalith will be dead very fast, unless there is a bigger threat than it... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalan Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 I think I am v tempted to run Magnus with Bolt of Change and doombolt so he can burn characters and units with 2d3 + firestorm or gaze with mortal wounds a phase. Then use newly souped up demon princes to buff him with weaver/warptime/glamour at extended range. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 One thing i dont understand and the guys over at table top tactics made a good point of it. If you can take combi-bolters on vehicles why not inferno combi bolters. You are already going to pay extra points for the different gun and no one is going to use the stratagem on a single combi bolter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalan Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Do we know exact wording on Helm of the 3rd eye? Does it work on pregame strategems? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1000 Sons Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 All is dust still give +1 to invul, or just armour now ? What is so exciting about enlightened disk goats, all they have is a 5+ invul, 2 wounds. They seem like they would get shredded apart by most things. Even their offense is just STR 5, -1 ap, 1 dmg. Are they just so cheap you can spam them ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalan Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Well with the shaman and prescience the auto wound on 4's. I think 1 big blob with a shaman could do well against high T things, although with only ap 1 and d1 they will be meh at most. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalan Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 my list for an upcoming tourney has my only TS as a sup command detachment with ahriman, 2 dps and magnus. The rest is Alpha legion and demons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yergerjo Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Ex Sorcs losing Force Swords - 7th ed 10/1 Rubrics for Soul Reaper- 7th ed We really haven't lost anything, just got what we originally had. Though I had classically ran the fluffy 9 man squads (and would stick Ahriman or a Sorc in a Rhino with them pre-Traitor Legions) so this isn't a big deal. Could I be disappointed with no Rubric strategem sure... Fluff-wise, aside from characters or Cults what new units could we get? Even the Ahriman novels didnt have Scarab Occult Rubrics....So they had to flesh out with minions. A little sad to see the reroll invuls go away, but happier to have the reroll 1s to hit cuz I've never liked running DPs (unfluffy imho). I see less reason to take Magnus now, he's too over costed; yes a better force multiplier now but we get more with less. Only thing I will be adding is a Shaman for my herd (personally I must have more rubrics than goats and quantity in numbers and buff ability has caused me to run a batch of 20. DiscoBoGoats are not anything we needed, another anti infantry unit...sure auto wounds are nice but I expect that to limited to 6 on the die and not rolls of 6+, typical GW rules writing. Spear goats maybe for the 2 damage....maybe. We still have one of the most durable troops in rubrics, we now have nonRhino mobility options with the Crystal and We beat strat, all in a a win. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 I was hoping for Rubrics to get a bit more but this isn't unexpected and doesn't change my plans. I've got my pre-order in :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yncarne Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 @Raven1: imagine a crusader with inferno bolters. That's something I would love to run and was hoping would be available in Chapter Approved. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yergerjo Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 @Raven1: imagine a crusader with inferno bolters. That's something I would love to run and was hoping would be available in Chapter Approved. Or a Redeemed with Soul Burners? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343600-thousand-sons-preorder-january27/page/11/#findComment-4994993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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