Help with Space Wolves 3000pt fluff list for Narrative play

[quinnwolf]

Dear commanders,

 

Putting together a 3000 point list for a narrative campaign weekend, emphasis on fluff and narrative rather than just smashing face. 

 

I haven't played in a tournament so waac has never been my mindset, however I haven't played in an organised campaign either so looking for guidance to create a characterful all comers list. Would still like it to be effective as the wolves should be and don't want to let the side down as it were.

 

Essentially looking for an infantry army composed from the following available models: (i've including their modelling status as if i don't need them i can save time not building/painting them. Everything i do take needs to be painted by end of July)

• HQs
• Praetor in Tartaros, tooled for combat.
• Command Squad in Tartaros (4)
• Rune Caster in Cataphractii
• Speaker of the Dead (to be built)
• Elites
• 5 Terminators in Cataphractii (can be varagyr or legion termis) (could be increased to 10)
• Contemptor with Kheres and fist
• Contemptor with Volkite and fist (bought, yet to be built)
• Contemptor (plastic battle of Calth, yet to be built)
• Techmarine
• 2 Apothecaries
• Troops  (at least 2 of these need to be grey slayers)
• 20 Grey Slayers Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Close combat weapon, Vexillia, Huscarl with power axe (could be tactical squad instead)
• 20 Grey Slayers Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Close combat weapon, Vexillia, Huscarl with power sword (could be tactical squad instead)
• 20 Grey Slayers to be built
• 20 Grey Slayers to be built
• 10 Assault Marines, 1 power axe, 1 power sword, sgt with power fist
• Heavy Support
• Spartan (could be dedicated for the termis)
• Sicarian Arcus (bought, yet to be built)
• Caestus Assault Ram (needs repainting)
• Lord of War
• Legion Glaive, needs painting
• Allies?
• 25 sisters of silence which could be built in any manner

So firstly i am aware this wont all fit in.

 

Don't really want to buy any new units, just the slayer upgrade packs for the remaining squads as would like at least 10 with shields. Other than that I have all the gear to make them.

 

Could build Deathsworn if needed.

 

It's a few months away but don't really want to add any more tanks as I dont have time to build them).

 

The few games I have played so far I have basically been taken apart by leviathans so a plan to crack them would be handy. (Don't want to get one of my own just yet)

 

Any advice regarding composition will be appreciated. Slayer loadouts?

 

Anything too cheesy or non fluffy?

[The_Stray_Idea]

I’ll start with your core.

 

Slayers for me is bolters all around 1 power fist in 10. Sargent 2+ Melta bombs and frost weapon of choice. Given your foot slogging from the looks of things a few combat shields to try and tank hits isn’t a bad shout.

 

Contemptors look pretty solid, hard to go wrong with them. If you want to save points take Cortus as they can keep up with the metric ton of slayers you are fielding.

 

Hq I’d try to stay away from Uber unit in a spartan.

 

Command squad I’d put in a land raider. Tuck a couple of chain fists in there. If your looking for combat throw a heavy flamer.

 

Take the legion terminators if your set on catti. Again land raider is the best way to transport them. Force some target priority.

 

Deathsworn are great but your already points heavy. The rune priest could actually hang with the command squad. Or take a vigilator and get a cheeky scout move with one of your 20 block units.

 

Hope that helps buddy.

 

Stray

[quinnwolf]

Thanks dude.

 

I sort of need the spartan for anti tank as I'm lacking otherwise. Could put a slayer squad in it with Speaker of the Dead instead of the termis, would get a big mob of them up early distracting the battleline.

 

Probably won't run Cortus as it needs to be wysiwyg and I'd prefer to model some stripped down, beat up contemptors as cortus eventually. Could build the third one and put a melta on it.

 

I have one chainfist in the command squad, one in the cataphractii. Could add one more to each.

 

I haven't got another landraider, what about the Caestus?

 

With regards fluff, any reason why I can't run 2 grey slayers and 2 tacticals. I like the idea that the legion line troopers graduate into slayer squads eventually. Visually they will be different, the 40 i have built so far are minimal wolf and just have bolters and close combat weapons whereas the new 40 are using more of the upgrade pieces and will be more tooled up.

[The_Stray_Idea]

I forgot about the Caestus. Definitely a good source of anti armour and terminators count as 1 not 2 so could transport a large squad with minimal issues. Do bear in mind they will be late to the party turn 3 combat at the earliest. The Sucarian you have is awesome and definitely a great choice. All it’s extra pay loads can eat up points quickly though and I think you would fare better from investing the points elsewhere or not taking as many dreads if you decide to take it to keep your model count up.

 

Personally I think if you want a bolter unit that’s not slayers I would run them as 10 man recon teams, they could rock pistol and blade if you wanted as well. Take the scout move and use them as a skirmishing screen. They also work so well in Pale Hunter ROW where you can use them to set up the larger squads for the +2 on the charge. Alternatively seekers are a solid bolter unit. The special ammo really picks some targets apart and forces your opponent to commit to getting rid of them or to get out of dodge. Both are beneficial even if one causes casualties to you.

 

Another consideration for your grey hunters is combi plasma for your 1 in 5 special weapons upgrade. You can charge after a rapid fire it’s an unexpected punch that can really help set you up for a winning combat. Melta is also an option worth considering.

 

With the amount of infantry you are running I you’ll always be fighting up hill vs heavy armour lists. That said. Your opponent can’t win if they can’t claim objectives. Don’t forget regular contemptors can still punch armour. You could go for a fist mounted grav weapon or melta to get a bit of anti tank in there. A final choice are flying coffins (land speeders) keep them cheap with a multi melta and take two in a unit or as singles to be an annoyance. Won’t crack Armoured Ceramite, that’s what chain fiats are for. But can pop transports and help set up your dudes to do what they do best.

 

I’m loving the image of 20 hunters and a wolf priest charging out of a spartan. I’d maybe stock up on power fists in that unit so you don’t get bogged down with 2+ or AV13 especially with the priest in there.

 

Your assault squad mentioned in your first post is also another great threat unit. Speed is key for the legion.

 

Do you know what ROW you are looking to take? With pale hunter you will probably get a bit more flexibility once in enemy lines and for list composition. Your current model collection does seem to lend itself to bloodied claw. The assault squads and all those grey hunters picking up furious charge will be felt, you are also getting 1 free howl of the death wolf to set yourself up to make sure your getting large squads across the table fast.

 

Stray

[quinnwolf]

Thanks for the advice Stray,  I've made the list as follows:

 

Bloodied Claw RoW

 

HQ

 

Praetor - Iron Halo, Paragon Blade, Tartaros, Combi melta, Digital Weapons

+ Tartaros Command Squad, 2 chainfists, 1 plasma blaster, 1 volkite, Standard bearer with lightning claws and grenade harness.  374

Speaker of the Dead - Plasma pistol   130

Caster of Runes - Second mastery level - Cataphractii armour  145

 

Elite

 

2 Apothecaries, one with power sword    100

Contemptor with Kheres assault cannon + DCW  190

 

Troops

 

20 Greyslayers - 5 Power axes, 2 Power fists, 1 Lightning Claw, 5 Shields, 6 Bolters, Vexilia, Huscarl with Artificer Armour, Great Frost Blade and Meltabombs.  340

20 Greyslayers - 4 Power fists, 4 Power axes, 4 Power Swords, Vexilia, Huscarl with Artificer Armour, Power fist and Meltabombs 352

20 Tacticals - Extra Close combat weapons,  Vexilia, Sergeant with Power Axe  285

20 Tacticals - Extra Close combat weapons,  Vexilia, Sergeant with Power Sword 285

10 Assault - Meltabombs, 2 power weapons, Sergeant with Powerfist 260

 

Heavy Support

 

Leviathan - Storm Cannon and Siege Drill   285

Arcus Sicraran - Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Skyspear missiles.  240

 

Total 2986

 

That's 98 infantry with 2 walkers and the Arcus.

 

Critique would be much appreciated with the following in mind:

 

• I want a simple playstyle with not too many special rules to remember
• Hate working out template weapons
• For a fluff event

 

Basic plan as follows:

 

• Grey Slayers to run straight at Deathstars, ideally get the charge off.
• Tacticals (with apothecaries) to hold the backfield and take objectives, hopefully have the chance to Fury of the Legion something
• HQs to support Grey Slayers
• Assault squad to attempt anti tank duties on oppositions anti tank. 
• Levi and contemptor to clear opposition troops.
• Arcus for anti-air and anti light armour

[Karack Blackstone]

Quinnwolf, a few notes, all things considered.

 

The Tacticals are considered Legion Support squads, and do not count as scoring. This is laid out in the SW's entry within Inferno that defines the Dedicated Troops choice of the Wolves to be Grey Slayer packs. Please consider swapping the Tac's for GS's; you can do the exact same kit, just, if you want your backfield held, SW players must use GS packs to do so.

 

This list seems solid, and amazing, as well. If anything, your list might have too many Troops, but, considering the need for weight of bodies in any list, there realistically is no such thing.

 

Your unit synergy at first glance looks solid, and spot on. I guess the only real question I have is, if still to play, what is your table tactic checklist? If you have gamed with this list, how did it go?

[Unknown Legionnaire]

 

The Tacticals are considered Legion Support squads, and do not count as scoring. This is laid out in the SW's entry within Inferno that defines the Dedicated Troops choice of the Wolves to be Grey Slayer packs. 

 

Tactical Squads can not be taken as Compulsory selections for Space Wolves.

Nothing is stopping him from taking Tac Squads once he has filled his Compulsory slots with two units of Grey Slayers.

And they're still scoring, since they're still Troop choices, they simply can not be used to satisfy Compulsory requirements, that's all.

 

I don't see their purpose in this list though, to be honest, and would rather invest in Tac Support or Vet Tac units - still scoring but more bang for the buck.

[Ultramarinebo]

Sweet list man, personally I love the 80 man foot slogger idea.

You'll need to be careful of dread talons, they'll tie you up and eat those squads.

I'm thinking you won't need the Assault marines, your massive squads will cover huge sections of the board so mobility isn't crucial.

I'm also concerned by the huge points you've poured into that command squad. If I was you I'd replacing them and the jump infantry with some serious AV like lightnings or cheap predator squadrons.

[quinnwolf]

Thanks for the feedback guys.

 

It's for a fluff event so I wanted infantry heavy to reflect the Wolves boots on ground approach. To be honest the only other units I have that could swap in is a Spartan and a Terminator Squad.

 

I'm running the troops as I have them all painted (see above in thread). The tacticals are kitted out as tacticals before Inferno dropped. I could run them as Grey Slayers but they have no power weapons. I reasoned that Fury of the Legion, whilst situational, could be more useful then run and charge/ shoot and charge, for defending the back line/ objectives.

 

 

 

I think ill outnumber everyone else, there is a knight / titan army that could cream me. If i can get rid of anything with a pie plate first of all then i should be ok.

 

Sweet list man, personally I love the 80 man foot slogger idea.
You'll need to be careful of dread talons, they'll tie you up and eat those squads.
I'm thinking you won't need the Assault marines, your massive squads will cover huge sections of the board so mobility isn't crucial.
I'm also concerned by the huge points you've poured into that command squad. If I was you I'd replacing them and the jump infantry with some serious AV like lightnings or cheap predator squadrons.

 

I know I'm lacking anti tank but after the Levi and the Arcus the slayers could do the job in a pinch. 5 powerfists at Strength 9 on the charge should dent something.

 

Hopefully there wont be too many dread talons.

[quinnwolf]

Quinnwolf, a few notes, all things considered.

 

The Tacticals are considered Legion Support squads, and do not count as scoring. This is laid out in the SW's entry within Inferno that defines the Dedicated Troops choice of the Wolves to be Grey Slayer packs. Please consider swapping the Tac's for GS's; you can do the exact same kit, just, if you want your backfield held, SW players must use GS packs to do so.

 

This list seems solid, and amazing, as well. If anything, your list might have too many Troops, but, considering the need for weight of bodies in any list, there realistically is no such thing.

 

Your unit synergy at first glance looks solid, and spot on. I guess the only real question I have is, if still to play, what is your table tactic checklist? If you have gamed with this list, how did it go?

 

Havent played this list as yet, need to get a few in before mid July. Any tips?

[quinnwolf]

 

 

The Tacticals are considered Legion Support squads, and do not count as scoring. This is laid out in the SW's entry within Inferno that defines the Dedicated Troops choice of the Wolves to be Grey Slayer packs. 

 

Tactical Squads can not be taken as Compulsory selections for Space Wolves.

Nothing is stopping him from taking Tac Squads once he has filled his Compulsory slots with two units of Grey Slayers.

And they're still scoring, since they're still Troop choices, they simply can not be used to satisfy Compulsory requirements, that's all.

 

I don't see their purpose in this list though, to be honest, and would rather invest in Tac Support or Vet Tac units - still scoring but more bang for the buck.

 

 

Yeah haven't got Vets or Tactical support built yet and wont have time before the event. Still got 40 slayers to paint :(

 

What loadout should i go for when i do add them? Meltas?

[Karack Blackstone]

 

 

 

The Tacticals are considered Legion Support squads, and do not count as scoring. This is laid out in the SW's entry within Inferno that defines the Dedicated Troops choice of the Wolves to be Grey Slayer packs. 

 

Tactical Squads can not be taken as Compulsory selections for Space Wolves.

Nothing is stopping him from taking Tac Squads once he has filled his Compulsory slots with two units of Grey Slayers.

And they're still scoring, since they're still Troop choices, they simply can not be used to satisfy Compulsory requirements, that's all.

 

I don't see their purpose in this list though, to be honest, and would rather invest in Tac Support or Vet Tac units - still scoring but more bang for the buck.

 

 

Yeah haven't got Vets or Tactical support built yet and wont have time before the event. Still got 40 slayers to paint

 

What loadout should i go for when i do add them? Meltas?

 

 

Apologies if I took too long in replying to this thread.

 

If you still have time to work on your force, what do you need those Grey Slayers to do? I personally have a heavy bias towards Boltgun, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword for the regulars, and Bolt Pistol with Power Sword for the Pack Leader. Now, don't get me wrong; if you can figure out what role each pack is to do, instead of going with all-rounder pack loadouts, maybe consider putting in a 10 man pack, the Pack Leader to personal taste, 4 with BG, BP, CSW, and maybe 5 with Combat Shield, BP, and Csword? I honestly don't know what you need.

 

I will type this though: figure out what you need the unit to do, and then, build accordingly. Extra bodies to swap out won't hurt you; just keep in mind, let the mission determine the kit.