What would you want in future Primaris expansions?

[Iron Lord]

 

Well, then there are obvious exceptions. The Ultramarines successors just have different paint schemes, and Salamanders claim no successors at all. Then again, it is plausible that Cawl could just cook up a batch of Primaris sons of Vulkan, and have them found their own chapter.

 

It's hinted at as a possibility in the Salamanders supplement:

 

Apothecary G'Narr:

"The Imperium is a vast domain. There may yet be Chapters, having fought in darkness for  millennia to protect Mankind, in whose veins runs Vulkan's vital strength. Who knows, too, if amongst the lauded Ultima Founding we have kin? Though they are not Nocturne-bred, my hearts lift at the thought of distant foes brought low by resolute warriors of noble mien."

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

- NM :) - 

Edited June 7, 2020 by Lord Nord

[Lord_Caerolion]

The Ultramarines successors just have different paint schemes.

 

I mean, we know that's not the case. We've repeatedly been shown divergent Ultramarine successors.

[Medjugorje]

 

The Ultramarines successors just have different paint schemes.

 

I mean, we know that's not the case. We've repeatedly been shown divergent Ultramarine successors.

 

 

there are a lot of them:

 

- Marines Malevolent ( not sure but it seems to be an ultramarine successor)

- Fire Hawks ( are the Black Templars of the Ultramarine gene-seed)

- Emperors Spears ( read the book and you will know how different they are - the rules for them say so too)

- Silver Skulls ( a bit Space Wolves of the Ultramarine gene-seed)

- Silver Templars ( Iron Knights of the Ultramarine gene-seed?????)

- Mortiafactors ( dont fallow the Codex Astartes and are very strange in their believes)

- Doom Legion ( strange one too)

[jaxom]

One of my favorite parts of the FW campaign books is how they acknowledge how much variation is actually allowed within the tenets of Codex Astartes and that parts of its use are very much about orthodoxy to an interpretation rather than actual writ.

 

The Badab War Part 2:

 

the Executioners adhere very strictly to the tenets of the Codex Astartes in their structure and organisation, with only a few changes in orthodoxy... represented most obviously  in the Chapter's battle companies by the replacement of one of their standard Codex approved Devastator squads for a Sternguard Veteran squad of the Company's finest warriors in their organisational line of battle.

 

 

the Sons of Medusa differ somewhat from the Codex Astartes in command structure, while remaining true to its tenets at the tactical and squad level.

 

 

The Fire Hawks nominally adhere to the dictates of the Codex Astartes in tactical and logistical division of their troops....[but shunning] defensive warfare where they can.... The Chapter as a while is also known to shun the use of camouflage (even in codex approved patterns)

 

 

[Jacques Corbin]

I stand corrected.

 

I mentioned the Sons of Medusa, because of the Moraie Schism that divided the Iron Hands, and strained their relationship with Mars. Given that the Primaris were developed by a Archmagos of Mars, who knows how Cawl felt about the Schism, or if he even cared. Even if he did not care, an Astartes chapter with a "we're not a fan of mars" attitude would be cause for concern.

[jaxom]

I stand corrected.

 

I mentioned the Sons of Medusa, because of the Moraie Schism that divided the Iron Hands, and strained their relationship with Mars. Given that the Primaris were developed by a Archmagos of Mars, who knows how Cawl felt about the Schism, or if he even cared. Even if he did not care, an Astartes chapter with a "we're not a fan of mars" attitude would be cause for concern.

 

No worries, a lot of the more insular Astartes chapters don't trust the Mechanicus.

[Jacques Corbin]

Right, but what would happen if, say the Iron Hands encountered the Sons of Medusa, but the SoM are all Primaris. The IH ask what happened to all your firstborn, and a Primaris Captain just points to a dreadnought.

 

But, waaaaay off topic. Right then.

 

PRIMARIS TECHMARINE

PRIMARIS THUNDERFIRE CANNON

PRIMARIS CONVERSION BEAMER

Edited June 9, 2020 by Jacques Corbin

[Ishagu]

I'm still surprised there have been no hints of a Primaris techmarine. They have plenty of vehicles now too.

[Marshal Reinhard]

I'm almost surprised I still haven't bought feirros for an unofficial conversion. But yes the lack of a techmarine feels like an especially glaring hole in the lineup given that all other specialist marines have been represented for some time now, with a bunch of secondaries and even a new type coming soon.

[Jacques Corbin]

Well, I have beat this conspiracy drum before, but, maybe Cawl does not want there to be Primaris techmarines. Maybe he wants all Primaris chapters beholden to Mars for their tech support needs.

[Gederas]

Well, I have beat this conspiracy drum before, but, maybe Cawl does not want there to be Primaris techmarines. Maybe he wants all Primaris chapters beholden to Mars for their tech support needs.

Repulsor and Impulsor have techmarines..

 

And we have artwork of Primaris Techmarines.

 

Also: Ferrios is a.... Primaris Techmarine

 

:P

[Iron Lord]

 

Well, I have beat this conspiracy drum before, but, maybe Cawl does not want there to be Primaris techmarines. Maybe he wants all Primaris chapters beholden to Mars for their tech support needs.

Repulsor and Impulsor have techmarines..

 

 

 

While I'd say that any Ultima Founding chapter needs Techmarines to function (and therefore, that there must exist many Primaris Techmarines besides Feirros) I'm not sure if Repulsor crew are supposed to be Techmarines, or Custodians (members of the Reserve Companies who have been attached to the Armoury to do vehicle-crewing.)

 

Gaius Pollandus from the 8e 2e Space Marines Codex, was a Repulsor Executioner crewman at one point during his time in the Reserve Companies - but he's never described as a Techmarine.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

I'm really not surprised about the lack of hints about a Techmarine thus far. If that picture with the supposed Hellfuries, the Judicar, and the unhelmeted Chaplain along with everyone else represents the contents of the boxed set, then to date we haven't seen ANY hints of the models that are specifically going to be part of the multi-part kits. And THAT is where the Techmarine will show up, whether it's this year or later. I don't think there were any hints of the Librarian, Chaplain or Apothecary in the teasers leading up to the release of the Dark Imperium box, either.

 

(And no, the photo with the speeder wasn't a "hint." It was a leak. Much different. It's been almost six months since that photo dropped and GW still hasn't said anything about the speeder model).

 

Like I've said before, there really wasn't much call for a Primaris Techmarine before this - with just the Redemptor and Repulsor coming out in 2017, a Techmarine would have been lost in the sauce with all of the other character models and the existing firstborn Techmarines could handle repairing those two units ("But what about people who wanted to run an all-Primaris army?" Well, they had a lot more gaps in their lineup than just missing a Techmarine).

 

And we've only had one release wave since then, which the Techmarine would have been completely out of place in (being stealthy isn't exactly their thing). Yeah, the Executioner was "out of place" as well, but that was a specific case where models already in the pipeline were moved up to synchronize with the Apocalypse launch. And let's face it, as cool as a Primaris Techmarine would be, it works better as part of a proper launch wave and doesn't really scream "Apocalypse" like the tank models did.

 

So no. Not surprising at all that they've kept mum up til now... unless you count those hints from Jes Goodwin on Voxcast. And the shoulder pad of the Repulsor gunners, as others have mentioned. Plus Primaris Techmarines continue to show up in the fluff - the Great Work has a couple of them.

[Schurge]

I would like rules for generic Primaris Captains, Chaplains, Librarians, and Apothecaries with jump packs and bikes regardless of whether or not a model exists for them ASAP. Jump pack Primaris are baby's first conversion and with Primaris bikes around the corner those conversions will be even easier. Hell, most of Custodes' characters and single (infantry) model units don't have a kit and they are about as new to 40k as Primaris. Edited June 10, 2020 by Schurge

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

I would like rules for generic Primaris Captains, Chaplains, Librarians, and Apothecaries with jump packs and bikes regardless of whether or not a model exists for them ASAP. Jump pack Primaris are baby's first conversion and with Primaris bikes around the corner those conversions will be even easier. Hell, most of Custodes' characters and single (infantry) model units don't have a kit and they are about as new to 40k as Primaris.

 

Which Custodes units don't have kits? I know several of the character models are multi-builds from the squad kits, but I'm pretty sure they all have models somewhere.

[Lord_Caerolion]

I would like rules for generic Primaris Captains, Chaplains, Librarians, and Apothecaries with jump packs and bikes regardless of whether or not a model exists for them ASAP. Jump pack Primaris are baby's first conversion and with Primaris bikes around the corner those conversions will be even easier. Hell, most of Custodes' characters and single (infantry) model units don't have a kit and they are about as new to 40k as Primaris.

 

After ChapterHouse, rules without models is categorically never going to happen from GW proper, and unless you're talking about some of the 30k stuff, all Custodes units absolutely have models. Sure, they don't have unique kits that contain only them, but there are absolutely GW boxes that include the various Vexillae and Shield-Captains, etc.

[Schurge]

 

I would like rules for generic Primaris Captains, Chaplains, Librarians, and Apothecaries with jump packs and bikes regardless of whether or not a model exists for them ASAP. Jump pack Primaris are baby's first conversion and with Primaris bikes around the corner those conversions will be even easier. Hell, most of Custodes' characters and single (infantry) model units don't have a kit and they are about as new to 40k as Primaris.

 

Which Custodes units don't have kits? I know several of the character models are multi-builds from the squad kits, but I'm pretty sure they all have models somewhere.

 

 

While you are correct I think the distinction is just GW being arbitrary. They could just as easily do the same with a multi-part bike kit without actually adding any special bits beyond the standard bits for a squad leader. In the case of Intercessors you already have to kitbash in order to use melee weapon options on squad leaders. I don't see a big difference between that and having to kitbash a Narthicium Injector onto a biker. The same goes for Primaris Captains to a lesser degree where not all weapon options are readily available for all sub-factions without kitbashing in other faction's bits.

 

 

I would like rules for generic Primaris Captains, Chaplains, Librarians, and Apothecaries with jump packs and bikes regardless of whether or not a model exists for them ASAP. Jump pack Primaris are baby's first conversion and with Primaris bikes around the corner those conversions will be even easier. Hell, most of Custodes' characters and single (infantry) model units don't have a kit and they are about as new to 40k as Primaris.

 

After ChapterHouse, rules without models is categorically never going to happen from GW proper, and unless you're talking about some of the 30k stuff, all Custodes units absolutely have models. Sure, they don't have unique kits that contain only them, but there are absolutely GW boxes that include the various Vexillae and Shield-Captains, etc.

 

 

In regards to the former you are probably correct... but I don't think that it is that unreasonable of an expectation on my part when those options likely already have models in the works that GW is waiting to drip-feed us.

 

In regards to the latter, see my response to Lord Nord.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Schurge

[Lord_Caerolion]

I don't see anything there backing up that Custodes have models with no kits. Could they include a Biker Captain part in the basic Primaris Outrider box? Sure. That doesn't change that Custodes have models for all existing units.

[War Angel]

I feel like you don’t understand the importance of the drip feed from GW.

 

I also feel like you don’t understand the importance of this thread. It’s not “give me now” it’s “I hope one day...”

[Lucerne]

Let Primaris use drop pods already. Or make a Totally Not Deathclaw.

[Ishagu]

Let Primaris use drop pods already. Or make a Totally Not Deathclaw.

You want to pay points for something you'll be able to do for free? Between units that can arrive anywhere and the new outflanking rules coming I don't see the value.

 

Drop Pods don't work in the modern game. Deployment shenanigans are generally free across armies, and GW won't allow units inside to get easy charges.

[War Angel]

 

Let Primaris use drop pods already. Or make a Totally Not Deathclaw.

You want to pay points for something you'll be able to do for free? Between units that can arrive anywhere and the new outflanking rules coming I don't see the value.

 

Drop Pods don't work in the modern game. Deployment shenanigans are generally free across armies, and GW won't allow units inside to get easy charges.

And he wants to pay money!

[Dracos]

Maybe ... maybe, he's thinking about armies other than Alpha Legion? Also Drop Pods are a Turn One thing and have other uses tactically than jus delivering their cargo. That would be like saying the only thing Rhinos are good for is getting across the table. While it is their most basic function we all know a good player gets more out of it than just that.

[Subtleknife]

 

Let Primaris use drop pods already. Or make a Totally Not Deathclaw.

You want to pay points for something you'll be able to do for free? Between units that can arrive anywhere and the new outflanking rules coming I don't see the value.

 

Drop Pods don't work in the modern game. Deployment shenanigans are generally free across armies, and GW won't allow units inside to get easy charges.

Surely there is some utility if it allows you to deploy first turn. Personally I would like them over CP for just how iconic they are. They would need some tuning