Think Tank: Hypothesizing SW Unit Combo's, Options, Etc.

[VIth]

My first take, pending adjustments for points, will be:

 

HQs:

3x Rune Priests (at least one will have a jump pack)

1x WGBL with jump pack, thunder hammer, storm shield

1x WL with jump pack, thunder hammer, storm shield

(someone will have Wulfen Stone)

 

Elites:

1x Ancient

 

Troops:

6x Grey Hunter Squads: plasma gun, plasma pistol, GHPL with power fist

 

Heavy Support:

3x Long Fangs (3x Lacannon, 2x Heavy Bolter)

 

Transports:

4x Rhinos with 2x Storm Bolters

 

Plenty of board control, and able to leverage our best units (LF, RP, and jump pack HQs). Rhinos push forward, pop smoke, Rune Priests call in the storm for -2 to hit them, LF blast away at Knights, Eldar, etc. Rune Priests will either all have jumped packs or one or two will while the other(s) rides in a Rhino. Tons of Grey Hunters pop out and get stuck in supported by RPs and the WGBL/WL.

 

Edit: this will be double battalion plus a Spearhead, so 14 Command Points.

[Disciple of Caliban Sgt]

Anything not forgeworld at this point......

[Guest Triszin]

so, do the aggressors get the long fang abilites?

 

Im thinking of making a flame aggresor squad with a priest to support

[Karack Blackstone]

Hellblasters or Aggressors?

 

Either way, if they do, wow, that will HURT!

 

I wouldn't count on it, but, with the Codex out Saturday that's one worth checking, as the HS Troops section having full access to LF Strategems, including Hellblasters, that's ... a truly terrifying possibility, if unlikely!

[Armchairarbiter]

I will ask again. Anyone have an opinion on using the great frost axes on the wulfen still? They'd be hitting on 2s now. 

[PeteySödes]

I think its way harder now, if its still only an 8 point difference still with the hit bonus it's not as clear cut for me. I still need to test it but for me the flat damage outweighs the +1A if theyre hitting more in general.

[ORKILL]

Yes, but in cases where -1 to hit applies they would still hit on 2s. I like the axes, I'm keeping them.

[PeteySödes]

That’s true, depends on the meta you play in I suppose. Mine is vehicle heavy currently which is why I favor the hammer/shoeld

[TiguriusX]

Great axe doesn't require a wolf priest if you already have a wolf lord in your list

 

hits on 2 with our SW bonus

 

frees up points and serves as a viable alternative to the TH

 

if you want to take an extreme example you can probably shave enough points by removing the WP and THs and simply add a dreadnought (wulfen or venerable) for the vehicle and knight killing prowess

[Jackalwolf]

I'm definitely adding one axe in my unit for coolness.

[Bloody Legionnaire]

I'm still going to give Drop Pods a try and continue to run a Blackmanes Army/list. I really want to try a Leviathan in a Pod as well as MM Long Fangs in a Pod all coming down together. Murderfang in a Pod could be very nasty as well. 

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

I have enjoyed 3 thss1 axe 1 claw and I think the new rules keep this good.

[TiguriusX]

I'm still going to give Drop Pods a try and continue to run a Blackmanes Army/list. I really want to try a Leviathan in a Pod as well as MM Long Fangs in a Pod all coming down together. Murderfang in a Pod could be very nasty as well.

Save the points from a DP and just spend 1 CP to outflank your long fangs

[Bloody Legionnaire]

 

I'm still going to give Drop Pods a try and continue to run a Blackmanes Army/list. I really want to try a Leviathan in a Pod as well as MM Long Fangs in a Pod all coming down together. Murderfang in a Pod could be very nasty as well.

Save the points from a DP and just spend 1 CP to outflank your long fangs

 

I build my lists to be more fluffy than competitive considerations, bud. I play Blackmanes for a reason, not saying you're wrong, but I like the fluff. 

 

I also think Drop Pods have the potential for greater tactical flexibility than just popping up on a board edge. It'll be easier to get x4 MMs in half-distance range of something that needs to be zapped than showing up on a board edge, for example. 

 

Anyone else considering adding LSS and Storm Hawks to your lists? I'm very excited about being able to use these to units!

[The Saint Ragnar]

 

 

 

I'm still going to give Drop Pods a try and continue to run a Blackmanes Army/list. I really want to try a Leviathan in a Pod as well as MM Long Fangs in a Pod all coming down together. Murderfang in a Pod could be very nasty as well.

Save the points from a DP and just spend 1 CP to outflank your long fangs

I build my lists to be more fluffy than competitive considerations, bud. I play Blackmanes for a reason, not saying you're wrong, but I like the fluff.

 

I also think Drop Pods have the potential for greater tactical flexibility than just popping up on a board edge. It'll be easier to get x4 MMs in half-distance range of something that needs to be zapped than showing up on a board edge, for example.

 

Anyone else considering adding LSS and Storm Hawks to your lists? I'm very excited about being able to use these to units!

I am liking the Storm Hawk using Keen Senses to smash annoying Eldar flyers. Quite a cheap unit for what it packs

[PeteySödes]

 

 

I'm still going to give Drop Pods a try and continue to run a Blackmanes Army/list. I really want to try a Leviathan in a Pod as well as MM Long Fangs in a Pod all coming down together. Murderfang in a Pod could be very nasty as well.

Save the points from a DP and just spend 1 CP to outflank your long fangs

 

I build my lists to be more fluffy than competitive considerations, bud. I play Blackmanes for a reason, not saying you're wrong, but I like the fluff. 

 

I also think Drop Pods have the potential for greater tactical flexibility than just popping up on a board edge. It'll be easier to get x4 MMs in half-distance range of something that needs to be zapped than showing up on a board edge, for example. 

 

Anyone else considering adding LSS and Storm Hawks to your lists? I'm very excited about being able to use these to units!

 

 

Ive run 2 stormhawks flanking a loaded Stormwolf just cause it looked cool. Performance wise its great if you opponent has fly but if they dont they reeeeaaally struggle with the lack of PotMS.

[NightHowler]

 

 

 

I'm still going to give Drop Pods a try and continue to run a Blackmanes Army/list. I really want to try a Leviathan in a Pod as well as MM Long Fangs in a Pod all coming down together. Murderfang in a Pod could be very nasty as well.

 

Save the points from a DP and just spend 1 CP to outflank your long fangs

I build my lists to be more fluffy than competitive considerations, bud. I play Blackmanes for a reason, not saying you're wrong, but I like the fluff. 

 

I also think Drop Pods have the potential for greater tactical flexibility than just popping up on a board edge. It'll be easier to get x4 MMs in half-distance range of something that needs to be zapped than showing up on a board edge, for example. 

Anyone else considering adding LSS and Storm Hawks to your lists? I'm very excited about being able to use these to units!

 

Ive run 2 stormhawks flanking a loaded Stormwolf just cause it looked cool. Performance wise its great if you opponent has fly but if they dont they reeeeaaally struggle with the lack of PotMS.

But with the new shooting stratagem, PotMS isn't as necessary anymore, right?

[Nrthstar]

Something else that will be fun is using the strategem to place a unit of Hellblasters or Long Fangs “On the Hunt”.

Really my favorite is a squad of bolter Aggressors. That way they are in range in turn one, and with my lists, I'll have so many high priority targets, I doubt anyone is going to blow them off the table the turn they arrive, and turn two they will be absolutely brutal

[TiguriusX]

 

Something else that will be fun is using the strategem to place a unit of Hellblasters or Long Fangs “On the Hunt”.

Really my favorite is a squad of bolter Aggressors. That way they are in range in turn one, and with my lists, I'll have so many high priority targets, I doubt anyone is going to blow them off the table the turn they arrive, and turn two they will be absolutely brutal

You cant outflank turn 1 under the beta rules for reserves.

[Karack Blackstone]

I will ask again. Anyone have an opinion on using the great frost axes on the wulfen still? They'd be hitting on 2s now. 

Only on the charge, correct? Still, 2's on charge, being charged, or any HI's from a possible Wulfen(?) Guard Pack Leader or Wulfen Pack Leader, is going to hurt.

 

It's solid damage I'd expect, and the likely consistently favorable to wound rolls will be useful, more than enough to justify the model and the points.

 

The single largest issue is, unless you've got plenty of SS Wulfen in front to weather the rain of enemy insults, fire, whatever, etc., well... any foe knows now, Astartes are sometimes wearing tissue paper armor, due to the AP -x's being "way" too common.

 

I expect whatever balance you find will be enough. If a Wulfen Pack can take a WGPL as well as a Wulfen Pack Leader, that's 11 or 12 models, each with what, 4+ save, 2 Wounds, 8" move, maybe 10", and if you have perhaps 4 SS/xx, 3 Paired Claws, and 3 Great Frost Axes, you would be solid. Still, that's a total guess; someone with no actual Wulfen model experience here, but, it does make a decent all rounder pack. If no interest in the Claws, go with 5-7 SS/TH or other weapon to taste, and 3-5 GFA's.

 

 

 

 

I'm still going to give Drop Pods a try and continue to run a Blackmanes Army/list. I really want to try a Leviathan in a Pod as well as MM Long Fangs in a Pod all coming down together. Murderfang in a Pod could be very nasty as well.

Save the points from a DP and just spend 1 CP to outflank your long fangs

I build my lists to be more fluffy than competitive considerations, bud. I play Blackmanes for a reason, not saying you're wrong, but I like the fluff. 

 

I also think Drop Pods have the potential for greater tactical flexibility than just popping up on a board edge. It'll be easier to get x4 MMs in half-distance range of something that needs to be zapped than showing up on a board edge, for example. 

Anyone else considering adding LSS and Storm Hawks to your lists? I'm very excited about being able to use these to units!

 

Ive run 2 stormhawks flanking a loaded Stormwolf just cause it looked cool. Performance wise its great if you opponent has fly but if they dont they reeeeaaally struggle with the lack of PotMS.

But with the new shooting stratagem, PotMS isn't as necessary anymore, right?

 

 

Uh, combine? Basically, if one needs, Keen Eye, PotMS, and anything else that gets one to a 2+ to hit is nothing to pass up on!

[Bloody Legionnaire]

Is anyone still planning on taking index Lone Wolves? I have an idea for a list and the would definitely come in handy

[CCE1981]

 

Something else that will be fun is using the strategem to place a unit of Hellblasters or Long Fangs “On the Hunt”.

Really my favorite is a squad of bolter Aggressors. That way they are in range in turn one, and with my lists, I'll have so many high priority targets, I doubt anyone is going to blow them off the table the turn they arrive, and turn two they will be absolutely brutal

It will work until your opponents know what they can do. After that they will be targetted, though for 185 pts for 5 of them it is well worth it for how much firepower they will take. I’ve teleported Deathwatch Aggressors in....itsa....comical when they drop and you tell them what they will do next turn, I’ve had opponents forfeit at that point.

[TiguriusX]

Our version of the Smash Captain will be a Wulfen Lord

 

 

 

Wolf lord with thunder hammer and jump pack (can put a SS or gun in his other hand)

Wulfen Stone relic

Jump Pack

Saga of the Wolfkin

 

His relics and WL trait give him A+2

Hitting on 2's rerolling his first round of combat

If you face a knight you don't need +1 on your wound rolls.  You need seeking a saga for 1 CP to reroll all wounds

 

And you can swing again or fight if you die so you have 12 potential attacks in 1 turn and are a legitimate knight killer or KEQ killer hehe

 

 

His weakness is overwatch but he does have 6" heroic intervention 

[munocat]

 

 

Something else that will be fun is using the strategem to place a unit of Hellblasters or Long Fangs “On the Hunt”.

Really my favorite is a squad of bolter Aggressors. That way they are in range in turn one, and with my lists, I'll have so many high priority targets, I doubt anyone is going to blow them off the table the turn they arrive, and turn two they will be absolutely brutal

You cant outflank turn 1 under the beta rules for reserves.

Codex trumps rules, codex says any turn, so yes turn 1.

[TiguriusX]

Another hero that makes me smile

 

Runepriest who is made for clearing hordes (our psykers have WS2)

 

Runepriest

Black death relic (need to confirm it is legal to give to a RP but gives D3 extra attacks)

Saga of the wolfkin

Fury of the wolf spirits

 

You fight in melee with approx. 4+D3 regular attacks and 6 wolf spirits

You fight again with the stratagem and are singlehandedly clearing hordes with 20+ melee attacks at WS2

 

 

 

Something else that will be fun is using the strategem to place a unit of Hellblasters or Long Fangs “On the Hunt”.

Really my favorite is a squad of bolter Aggressors. That way they are in range in turn one, and with my lists, I'll have so many high priority targets, I doubt anyone is going to blow them off the table the turn they arrive, and turn two they will be absolutely brutal

You cant outflank turn 1 under the beta rules for reserves.

Codex trumps rules, codex says any turn, so yes turn 1.

 

 

Dude I'm not going to get into that argument with you.  The beta rule is clear on what can and can't be done.  Read it carefully and good luck trying to be "that guy" in your FLG