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DuskRaider Venerable Brother

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Yeah, I'm not buying into Molech or a Knight army until they release more Knight variants. Two does not an army make.

I bet you'll be buying Molech before it touches the shelve. :P

 

Now making a Knight army is another proposition altogether. I totally agree the new book should be supported by new Knight releases... But I'll get that book no matter what - and I don't even intend on doing a Knight army...

*Sigh*... Yeah, I'll probably pre-order the book as soon as it's announced. I'm just concerned they're not going to properly support it and that would warrant a re-issue down the line if and when they eventually introduce additional Knight patterns. Another concern is they'll release the Castellan / Dominus and Armigers first due to their presence in 40K. Don't get me wrong, I welcome those patterns... I would just like to see a focus on the older and more rare patterns.

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Interesting that they'd put up an article about Space Marine allies for Titan Legions. I wonder why the Adeptus Titanicus team answered this question, instead of the Horus Heresy team?

 

Its filler content. 

 

They want to remind folk of AT existence, but dont have the time for something of more substance. It has been 3 weeks since the last community post on AT. And there is a regular Specialist game slot on Tuesdays regardless of other items for release, and given we had blood bowl last week and other content on the Ambots yesterday in the slot thats supports the 'coming next week' spot. It makes sense.

 

 

Filler is correct but it also might be draft material from something else. Andy Hoare said (either on a stream or at the weekender) about the possibility of creating a table showing the links/alliances between specific astartes legions and titan legions. If that's what you're working on and then the WHC team come knocking to see if you've got any material to fill the Specialist Game slot, tidying up your notes into a 1000 word article isn't a bad idea.

 

I do like the point he made about astartes/titan pairings of circumstances - e.g. the Iron Hands and Warp Runners being thrown together by the vagaries of war - being a worthwhile basis for a force's background. A useful reminder that even the detailed military history approach that is used for a lot of heresy material needn't be overly prescriptive.

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I do like the point he made about astartes/titan pairings of circumstances - e.g. the Iron Hands and Warp Runners being thrown together by the vagaries of war - being a worthwhile basis for a force's background. A useful reminder that even the detailed military history approach that is used for a lot of heresy material needn't be overly prescriptive.

 

Agreed. The swirl of forces during the heresy lends itself very well to legios and legions joining forces ad hoc, but also worth mentioning that there were ~4600 expeditionary fleets towards the end of the great crusade - plenty of scope for "your dudes"!

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Exactly, it's why I sometimes get a little worried that folks who post on fb, other forums, etc, asking 'what legions are the official/canonical allies of my heresy force of astartes'? You often get simplified versions of 'X and X legion' with the implication that others would be unfluffy but hey, 'you do you'.

 

Legions that are intimately associated with particular space marine forces - Praesagius and Audax for example - are in the minority and as you say, there were two hundred years of campaigning to fill with whatever obscure/unmentioned battlefield alliance you want. Even Audax was honoured by the Lion and Praesagius racked up battles alongside the Word Bearers.

 

Same goes for knight houses, to a lesser extent.

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*Sigh*... Yeah, I'll probably pre-order the book as soon as it's announced. I'm just concerned they're not going to properly support it and that would warrant a re-issue down the line if and when they eventually introduce additional Knight patterns. Another concern is they'll release the Castellan / Dominus and Armigers first due to their presence in 40K. Don't get me wrong, I welcome those patterns... I would just like to see a focus on the older and more rare patterns.

 

 

Well, the other Cerastus Knights variants would also be easy for them to do, seeing as all that's needed for them is a redesign of the weapon arms(though that in turn would still require a completely new sprue, barring them being released as resin upgrades for the existing Lancers kit).

 

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if we get a massive wave of new Knight units along with the Molock book, as all we'd need to "catch up" with the 28mm scale ones are:

 

1, Armigers(though what role they could play at Titan scale combat is questionable, though in the first episode of the VoxCast Jess Goodwin mentions that one of the original ideas for the Armiger when it was first designed for Epic was for it to carry ammo and repair parts for larger knights, to play on their "Squire" theme, so seeing that brought back wouldn't be a bad idea).

 

2, the Castellan/Dominus(hopefully the weapons for both variants can be included in one kit)

 

3, the remaining Cerastus Variants.

 

4, the Acastus.

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Don't forget the Atrapos, Styrix and Mageara. The Atrapos in particular could be particularly lethal when facing proper Titans. If Armigers did make an appearance, I could see a rule for "Bondsman", making them enslaved to a Baron or somesuch using the Helm Mechanicum to use them for things such as bodyguards (Look Out Sir) or to act as extra firepower to be directed at the Baron's target.

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Can the bounty of mars astorum stratagem be used each turn or is one use only?

 

There's been some debate recently whether Stratagems are one use only or multiple use, buuuuuuuut...

 

I cannot for the life of me understand how people do not immediately see them as one use only unless spesified otherwise in any case where people aren't devil's advocates. The rulebook is GW-brand of vague and says " can only be bought once / kept secret until used" instead of explicitly going out and being clear with "one use only unless exception has been stated" and then muddies the waters with some saying "once per battle you can..." like Blind Barrage or "roll 2+ to do the thing, if not can be played again next turn" like Voidbreaker Field. My personal educated guess on it is that the intent was that flipping the Stratagem card is a one time thing and that's why Voidbreaker explicitly says you can play it again, while those "once per battle" bits merely elaborate when you can do the thing. Internal balance and Stratagem point costs also explode and lose any meaning on the same second somebody thinks the default is multiuse, Thermal Mines, Sabotage and some Legio stratagems are way more powerful than something like Apocalypse Missile silos if reusable.

 

So in short, everything is one use only unless spesifically stated otherwise. Or barring that the game is going to be wild.

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WHTV tip of the day was painting Fire Wasp stripes. Which Duncan proceeded to do freehand and incredibly neatly... if I tried that, it would be Picasso’s Fire Wasps!

 

Interestingly he did the trim gold, mine’s all silver.

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Does anybody what about a product called “Titanicus-March to war.” Due out on may 11th 2019? I haven’t hear of it but I’ve just seen some info from a local games store.

 

A paperback/hardback reissue of Abnett's Titanicus, possibly? There was mention made at the Black Library weekender that he was working on a sequel, perhaps this is to drum up attention and follow up on the sample chapter included in the GM box.

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Do we have any idea how the Spire kit will interact with the Civitas Imperialis buildings? Will they simply stack on top or do we need to keep the roof off? Just asking so I can future proof my buildings if need be.

 

I have been looking at the photos taken from the weekend. The kit fits to the roof section. Single Spires can be added to a 1 section square. the Bigger spire bases look like they need a 2x2 roof section to attach too (I have photos on my Plog on how I have been building them for that purpose) 

 

 

WHTV tip of the day was painting Fire Wasp stripes. Which Duncan proceeded to do freehand and incredibly neatly... if I tried that, it would be Picasso’s Fire Wasps!

 

Interestingly he did the trim gold, mine’s all silver.

 

Yeah it comes out the day I finish the base coats on my Fire Wasps. I myself had been debating the Gold or Silver Trim puzzle as its been jumping around over time. The old epic stuff was silver trip, but all the recent artwork and 28mm models have been in the gold trim. 

 

Picasso Fire wasps hmmm... Reminds me of the shoulder on the Warlord below.

 

Thats how they used to be on the old epic models. It will be intresting to see if they have any colour plates with titans done that way whenever the Legio gets attention in a source book. (Though the Duncan Video gives me hope)

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