Seige of Terra series news

[carlisimo]

I think we’d see the occasional Great Crusade story if BL continued to produce stories in the HH setting. You can argue they don’t really belong in there, but a lot of the Primarchs novellas are set in that time period, and they’re still Horus Heresy stories. They give us information that contributes to our understanding of the Heresy itself.

 

I don’t expect we’ll see the Great Crusade (or the Unification Wars) for their own sake. The tie-in to miniatures is too loose at that point (Mk II isn’t for sale…) and perhaps more importantly, writing those stories would constrain future, hypothetical games set in those time periods.

 

The Scouring has to happen, though. Gav Thorpe didn’t write all those pages about Caliban just to stop writing after Horus’s death. And in a way, the Scouring is fully half of the war. Horus’s death is the turning point, not the end. It also lets the authors finish their stories of how the legions became the chapters that we know and love in M41. Chris Wraight, for example, says that’s a major theme in his White Scars novels. I would’ve liked greater differences between the loyalists in M31 and M41, but what differences there are will be explained by the Heresy and the Scouring together.

[DukeLeto69]

 

BL confirmed that Scouring was next at a Weekender, FW will probably follow suit when they get there in the next century :P, doubtless I’m very much looking forward to JF writing solar war, he seems to have the best knowledge of that because he worked with Alan Bligh in talking about the solar war and his own research, plus big ships and stuff

 

 

I'm sure it'll happen (I'm less sure I'll be involved) but it's definitely not officially confirmed. Even around the HH table we talk about "If we do the Scouring..." and it's not a universal "YES" among the team. The Scouring wasn't a war; it was most of the Traitor Legions running away and the Imperium mopping up the rebellious worlds increasingly deprived of their Traitor overlords. There's stuff there, but there's way less than some people seem to suggest. The Iron Cage is amazing... but it's one book. Same with the Codex Astartes crisis. Great! But... not a series.

 

I think there are some great stories in the Scouring. I also think several of them have already been told, and there aren't enough to justify a long series or a setting. A great trilogy, sure. Much more than that, and I'd be less interested in reading it.

BUT...

 

"With the Emperor confined to the Golden Throne and the Imperium left effectively leaderless, the Forces of Chaos and all of the enemies of the Imperium like the Orks and Eldar pirates swept down on the defenceless worlds which had already been ravaged by the terrible internecine fighting during the Heresy. With so much of the its strength siphoned off fighting heretics, many colonised planets were ripe for invasion. Sensing this, these predatory aliens closed in on all sides until, on every frontier, worlds burned and were lost. Not even systems once thought unassailable were safe from the rapacious xenos threat."

 

Sounds like an exciting period to tell stories to me!

[Marshal Rohr]

They do, that's the whole situation in modern 40k, too. Its the politics of the time period that are exclusive to the time period. There is no point in doing a series just for war stories.

[Kelborn]

Not to mention the ascendance of the Inquisition and other comparable institutions.

 

Though I understand Aarons points, I highly agree with Rohr in this.

 

I'd imagine it to be more of development of certain characters, forces such as future chapters and the Imperium as a whole than an all out war scenario such as the HH.

[A D-B]

They do, that's the whole situation in modern 40k, too. Its the politics of the time period that are exclusive to the time period. There is no point in doing a series just for war stories.

 

Exactree.

 

It's not that there's nothing to say. There's something to say in any era of 40K. It's just that there's not this great, grand The Scouring Series' worth of material that some people might believe. A great trilogy! Probably a boring, thin series - where many of the good bits are retreads of themes that apply universally throughout other eras anyway, like Rohr says.

[bluntblade]

I'd like to see some stuff about the first Grand Master, but by contrast, Wyrmblade's tale is all I need for the Wolves' attempt at siring a Successor Chapter

[Knockagh]

Crusade stories hold little or no interest for me as does the thought of endless battles during the scouring. Both would be just battles books, which would be pretty dull.

I would however love to have a series on the establishment of the imperium as we know it. The fall out from the emperors enthronement and the devastation of terra and much of the empire. The rise of the inquisition, imperial guard and the imperial church. Perhaps the final book in the seige series will be based mostly around this and not the end portion of the battle on terra. That would be cool.

I also wouldn’t say no to a unification wars (short) series. I get what DC says that this will feel very far removed from 40k and I agree and am pretty excited about that. I’m Gav Thorpes Lorgar and Guy Haley’s Perturabo I got a wonderful taste of what was achievable by BL authors in putting really quality background into some of the iconic figures and settings from 30/40k lore. I loved these books and I think if something similar was written for terra and the emperor, the sigillite etc it would be amazing.

As far as the maintaining the mystery argument goes I don’t bite that for one minute. That argument could be used for anything in 40k and revealing mystery, if done right, usually leaves more questions than you had to start with.

 

Also I’m getting nerd worried that solar war has been pushed back as it’s disappeared from the coming soon section. Its got my nerves wrecked.

[Skalpynock]

I'd like to see some stuff about the first Grand Master, but by contrast, Wyrmblade's tale is all I need for the Wolves' attempt at siring a Successor Chapter

Chapter Masters Blunt, Chapter Masters...

[b1soul]

Bottom-line is people seem to want stories set in different periods of the Warhammer chronology. The when and the how is the question. IMO...

 

What would make good sandbox settings:

 

1. Late Age of Strife

2. Unification Wars

3. Pre-Ullanor Great Crusade

 

Short stories or one-shot novels (could be based on FW Black Book fluff), some exploration of these periods (morese the latter two) is warranted I think. They don't warrant a HH-style in-depth series.

 

Personally, I wouldn't mind some clever DAoT tie-ins if good writers can pull it off.

 

What would make a good Beast-style series:

 

1. The Scouring/The Forging

2. Nova Terra/Moirae Schism

3. Age of Apostasy

4. The Seventh Black Crusade or "The Ghost War"

5. The Badab War

 

Frankly, I think Rangda would make a great series but it involves the lost legions...so might be off limits.

 

What would make a good long-running series:

 

Current M42 campaigns and machinations by Guilliman.

 

This period would of course also be the primary setting.

[bluntblade]

 

I'd like to see some stuff about the first Grand Master, but by contrast, Wyrmblade's tale is all I need for the Wolves' attempt at siring a Successor Chapter

Chapter Masters Blunt, Chapter Masters...

I was trying to refer specifically to the DA - theirs is the Supreme Grand Master, isn't he?

 

I would love an Apostasy series as well as Badab. It'd be cool to see some non-First/Second Founding Chapters in either, like maybe the Astral Claws in the Age of Apostasy when they were still among the highest-regarded Chapters.

[ShallnotGrowOld]

Badab or more 'Hey, here's this obscure chapter with just a name and a homeworld, lets make a book series out of it set in _ period' would be sweet.

[Ascanius]

The Beast Arises series established certain things about the Inquisition - for instance, that the Ordos Xenos and Malleus didn't really exist as structures within the Inquisition until the end of that period.

 

It would be interesting to read about the rise of the Ecclesiarchy to dominance, but I think it'd have to be spread out over time.

[b1soul]

Rise of the Ecclesiarchy happens with Nova Terra Interregnum and the Cataclysm of Souls. This then set the stage for The Age of Apostasy and the Reign of Blood. The Imperium really got screwed over during the 36th millenium

[Marshal Rohr]

I’d love a simple badab trilogy focusing on Hurons Fall, the war, and siege of the palace of thorns.

[b1soul]

Plague of Unbelief is a fascinating period as well.

 

Actually Nova Terra and Age of Apostasy coudl form long running series like the HH series

 

They occur of 1,000 years

[drooling blood]

Wrong thread

[Grand Master Laertes]

Plague of Unbelief is a fascinating period as well.

 

Actually Nova Terra and Age of Apostasy coudl form long running series like the HH series

 

They occur of 1,000 years

The Age of apostasy is definitely my favourite moment in the 10k years of history of the Imperium

[Taliesin]

I agree fully with ADB on the Scouring- it just isn't that interesting to me, the Heresy to me is the story and what we're getting now with Siege of Terra is the main deal.

 

I can't see a Scouring series, though I could definitely see a few individual novels, or a trilogy if you like.

 

 

Crusade stories hold little or no interest for me as does the thought of endless battles during the scouring. Both would be just battles books, which would be pretty dull.
I would however love to have a series on the establishment of the imperium as we know it. The fall out from the emperors enthronement and the devastation of terra and much of the empire. The rise of the inquisition, imperial guard and the imperial church. Perhaps the final book in the seige series will be based mostly around this and not the end portion of the battle on terra. That would be cool.
I also wouldn’t say no to a unification wars (short) series. I get what DC says that this will feel very far removed from 40k and I agree and am pretty excited about that. I’m Gav Thorpes Lorgar and Guy Haley’s Perturabo I got a wonderful taste of what was achievable by BL authors in putting really quality background into some of the iconic figures and settings from 30/40k lore. I loved these books and I think if something similar was written for terra and the emperor, the sigillite etc it would be amazing.
As far as the maintaining the mystery argument goes I don’t bite that for one minute. That argument could be used for anything in 40k and revealing mystery, if done right, usually leaves more questions than you had to start with.

Also I’m getting nerd worried that solar war has been pushed back as it’s disappeared from the coming soon section. Its got my nerves wrecked.

 

I don't agree with you on Great Crusade obviously, but I do think you're spot on with the rest.

I'm very much interested in these pre-Heresy settingsm Unification Wars and Great Crusade especially.

 

As for Solar War, it's surely coming out in March as it was specifically confirmed by Neil at the BL weekender a few weeks back.

 

 

Bottom-line is people seem to want stories set in different periods of the Warhammer chronology. The when and the how is the question. IMO...

What would make good sandbox settings:

1. Late Age of Strife
2. Unification Wars
3. Pre-Ullanor Great Crusade

Short stories or one-shot novels (could be based on FW Black Book fluff), some exploration of these periods (morese the latter two) is warranted I think. They don't warrant a HH-style in-depth series.

 

 

Yup, all good. I do agree with an earlier comment though that if there is no overlap with the GW models then we might not see anything substantive from BL on this.

[TheHaplessHeretic]

The Scouring might not have enough to be the next HH with over 50 books spanning more than a decade, but I'd love to read how the homeworlds of the traitors fell (Chemos and Cthonia especially) and the Iron Cage just so the Iron Warriors can get their "hurrah!" book.

 

Im actually hoping the SoT has some awesome Iron Warriors action, so far everything they've done has ended in a defeat for them (that I've read).

[Scribe]

I think that the issue of the Iron Cage is exactly the point. Its the exception to the rule. Are there events during the Scouring that actually matter and have resonance down through the history of the game for us as followers of the lore? 100%

 

Do we need a series to just be diluted with a dozen books that are not particularly relevant or exploratory? Not really.

 

I mean can someone distill the point of the Perpetuals in the HH? What have they actually added to the series?

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Who's saying dozens of books?

 

Crap, give me 1 or 2 anthologies that the BL milk so often covering a few key events...

The Iron Cage

Dorn vs Guilliman

The flight of the Traitors

The alien menace, returned

Guilliman and Russ leading the loyalist charge

 

If crap like Abyss and Pythos got printed, give us something atleast

[DarkChaplain]

The Scouring might not have enough to be the next HH with over 50 books spanning more than a decade, but I'd love to read how the homeworlds of the traitors fell (Chemos and Cthonia especially) and the Iron Cage just so the Iron Warriors can get their "hurrah!" book.

 

Im actually hoping the SoT has some awesome Iron Warriors action, so far everything they've done has ended in a defeat for them (that I've read).

 

Ask the Dark Angels about Chemos and Cthonia. Barbarus too, for that matter. Cthonia was still on the to-do list in Dreadwing, Barbarus was obliterated on the page, and Chemos was a while back in the narrative.

[Scribe]

Who's saying dozens of books?

 

Crap, give me 1 or 2 anthologies that the BL milk so often covering a few key events...

The Iron Cage

Dorn vs Guilliman

The flight of the Traitors

The alien menace, returned

Guilliman and Russ leading the loyalist charge

 

If crap like Abyss and Pythos got printed, give us something atleast

 

Meh, I'm with you on 'if X can be printed...why not Y' but I'd pass on nearly all of that.

 

Iron Cage - Check

Dorn vs Rob? In what context? Political discord? Sure.

Flight of the Traitors? Pass. Thats every single 40K book at the end when Chaos loses.

Alien's. Thats just 40K

Rob and Russ Space Marine battles? Pass. Thats every single Space Marine Battles book.

 

Theres 2 or 3 novels, everything else is just 40K.

[Kelborn]

Development and the beginning of individual chapter characteristics leading to autonomous chapters of the Second Founding?

 

Am I the only one I interested in this transition?

The entire integration of the Codex Astartes and the near second war of brothers?

 

Not talking about xx numbers of books but there's some interesting stuff happening, imho.

[Knockagh]

The primarch series has had some books focusing on the crusade, these have had varied success.

Corax was a marvellous crusade novel but sadly, in my opinion, few have managed to tell a good crusade story. If we got a series of that quality I could devour a crusade series, but a series of Gulliman, Vulcan would be tough work. There have been other good crusade stories in the primarch series but I’ve preferred the origin stories.

 

I don’t think (and hope) we will ever get a 50 book series again. There are too many stories to tell to box themselves into an area like this again.