Kontakt Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I am under the understanding that the vigilus formation does not give the "sword brethren" rule to the veteran bikers, as they have a different entry in the index. Correct me if I am wrong, but this would ruin the fun I wanted to have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5213346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 If memory serves it applies to the keyword, which is shared with the biker unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5213356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciler Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 If memory serves it applies to the keyword, which is shared with the biker unit. That is correct, and the company veterans on bike from the index entry DO have the "company veterans" keyword. Only downside is that they are relatively expensive point-wise as they didn't get a point reduction themselves the way the codex entry did. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5213432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 And I'm out of luck in using veteran bikes outside of friendly games anyway due to the local tournaments not allowing index/FW. Sucks since I even started on a few veteran bikes last spring. I mean they're magnetized etc anyway so easy enough to repurpose, but mainly the problem is that regular fast attack bikes are pretty useless. Guess I could make 'em Deathwatch once I get that project off the ground. But, that's going off topic. Â When you CAN use Index units the bikes sure would benefit from the cheap storm shields. T5 2W 3++ isn't something to scoff at when combined with a bike's mobility, even if the base price for the vet bikers is rather high (the Deathwatch ones are 7 points less per model while having the awesomesauce special ammunition). The SB stratagem would still have the same problem with them as it does with footsloggers, though. Â On a side note I'm not sure what this inclusion of SB with the stratagems supposedly brings in terms of "modeling opportunities" that already wasn't there to begin with. Nothing changes for possible loadouts, just that some are cheaper, and out vets were already modeled as "sword brethren" anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5213831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 All that changes for my Sword Brethren is actually painting the regular backpacks I magnetized for the VV. Otherwise they would look exactly the same. I also recommend RedDog Minis SB Pauldron Shields to model them. They look awesome:http://www.reddogminis.com/catalog/item/9023820/10357824.htm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5213870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Corbin Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 You know what they needed to do for BT? When you pop your deny stratagem, the filthy witch who was denied should have to pass a leadership test, with a penalty of half the warp charge cost (rounded up) of the power they failed to cast, to cast another power, or failing the leadership test, they move their full speed away from the unit that successfully denied them, and they can cast no more powers that turn. Granted, would not help much more against lists with many witches, but that is what Flamers are for. Maybe y'all should lobby that the failed leadership test should just END THE PSYCHIC PHASE as the wretched mutant witches recoil in horror at the power of our almighty Emperor to protect and preserve those He deems most worthy. Now THAT would be fluffy and fun. Sorry, Magnus/Eldrad/Draigo/Yvraine, you can't cast this turn because your sorry witch over there got denied like a :cuss by the Venerable Dreadnought over there. Lol  Oh well, hopefully in Chapter Approved 2019... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5214130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydonianDragoon404 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Actually, more like Space Marine codex version 2, heretical boogaloo. It won't happen in a chapter approved, as apparently that is only for points and match play rules adjustments according to many.  I've been seeing a lot of winking and nose twitching about the mention of a new marine and chaos marine codex being what brings our rules around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5214296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 All that changes for my Sword Brethren is actually painting the regular backpacks I magnetized for the VV. Otherwise they would look exactly the same. I also recommend RedDog Minis SB Pauldron Shields to model them. They look awesome:  http://www.reddogminis.com/catalog/item/9023820/10357824.htm    Damn, those look fun...but working with resin is a real pain :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5214356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Those gardbraces seem pretty nice, but being from Europe the shipping kills it :(    Damn, those look fun...but working with resin is a real pain  Resin is easy to clean up, cut, bends to shapenicely when warmed. Easy to paint, too. I only wish my Sisters and Guard were resin instead of metal, I would probably have gotten them done by now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5214377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Talarian Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 This probably wouldn’t make it into a competitive list, but with the reduction in points the following could be fun and fluffy:  Several drop pods filled with 5 man crusader squads armed with range weaponry and 4-5 sword brothers armed for melee. Add characters to taste.  Such glory, much wow.  If only I had more drop pods... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5214675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Well they can be scratchbuilt Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5214860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Talarian Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Do tell! You have a recipe for sweet looking, durable drop pods? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5214918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neophyte for your Ryghts Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 Who knew when I started this thread a little while back where we'd be today. Huh. Â Overall, this seems to me to reinforce the message that primaris are the new troop choice for SM. Arguments here about GW's marketing strategy, future releases etc. - if impossible to be conclusive - are persuasive, in my opinion. Â But what about all of us who have old marines sitting about? Well releases like this give you an incentive to revisit your old purchases and even make new ones, without blatantly alienating the community who aren't buying into primaris for now. I'm personally happy with this nod in our direction, and can see a lot of great hobby potential, which is always my primary concern vs. tabletop success. Â Hope we all enjoy making these units, and let's hope this and 8th stays around long enough to justify the effort! Ha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5214920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Hairdryers people, not water. Much faster and easier. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5214921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastellanDeMolay Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Do tell! You have a recipe for sweet looking, durable drop pods? http://telusplanet.net/public/shadowmr/working-on/drop-pod/drop-pod.html This worked nicely for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5215454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson cowboy Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Picked up my book today....alittle upset....there is info on the wereabouts of the IF and CF and what front they stand on ....white scars got some fluff love as well on vigilus then skips over to the primaris chapters....but I am impressed with the customization you can make of a character in CA Â I assume the second book will tell more Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5215669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Picked up my book today....alittle upset....there is info on the wereabouts of the IF and CF and what front they stand on ....white scars got some fluff love as well on vigilus then skips over to the primaris chapters....but I am impressed with the customization you can make of a character in CA Â I assume the second book will tell more What about BT? Any decent fluff on them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5215695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson cowboy Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Â Picked up my book today....alittle upset....there is info on the wereabouts of the IF and CF and what front they stand on ....white scars got some fluff love as well on vigilus then skips over to the primaris chapters....but I am impressed with the customization you can make of a character in CA Â I assume the second book will tell more What about BT? Any decent fluff on them? Â No brother...just our brethren and then straight to primaris....which is why I hope there is an update in the second book Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5215699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 New rules are nice, but I'm still of the opinion that the less they touch our fluff, the better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5215705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 I’m with firepower. Nothing contributed to the background since 6th has been a positive addition, really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5215725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 I’m with firepower. Nothing contributed to the background since 6th has been a positive addition, really. I thought ADB's treatment of BT in his black legion Series was good. Pretty sure "black legion" came out in late 7th of bot 8th edition.  Or you mean exclusively in "game books"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5215729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 So just FYI Helbrecht, the EC and Grimaldus cannot be given the new Warlord trait as Vigilus specifically says that if a named character had a trait from his codex he must take that one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5215735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydonianDragoon404 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Thanks for the clarification Acebaur.  As for fluff updates, we were featured pretty heavily in the Gathering Storm campaign. That's the most recent that I've seen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5215764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Well, that's lame :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5215766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 But ours sucks! May casually ignore that rule... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351445-bt-confirmed-on-vigilus/page/10/#findComment-5215794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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