ValourousHeart Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 I'm sorry, but you can't speculate without comparing army A to armies B, C, D and E. And comparing the beta codex to what Marines are getting? It's fairly easy to speculate that unless drastic changes are made to the codex from beta - and my $$ is on it not happening - Sisters are going to be dog compared to most other armies. I think the point is that we are comparing a year old beta that was intended to have only units from 5 editions back with a codex that just came up for preorder that is introducing a dozen new units. Why can’t everyone wait till our codex comes up for preorder to start pulling their hair out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5364650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher956 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Because if we did that we’d have nothing to talk about.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5364670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrus Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Next BSB; place yer bets. For some reason, i get a Dialogus feeling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5364836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher956 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Hospitlers (sp?) Or DCA...they’ve not really shown anything non sister based except a head... Long term bet is still for a codex release end of sept / early Oct...... change my mind! :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5364889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ficinus Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 As has been pointed out elsewhere, almost all we've seen in these bulletins are renders, pretty much no actual models or sprues. While it's possible they're waiting for the week before release to show actual plastic, it seems a bit unlikely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5364899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenitentOne Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 It would be nice to see the whole battle conclave part of the army- Death Cults, Arcos and Crusaders. What I want the most is a hard release date or a rules teaser, and I sincerely doubt I'll get either of those things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5364926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERJAK Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 As has been pointed out elsewhere, almost all we've seen in these bulletins are renders, pretty much no actual models or sprues. While it's possible they're waiting for the week before release to show actual plastic, it seems a bit unlikely. Why? These articles were most likely more or less done weeks if not months ago. Not only that but showing renders rather than physical models is easy, cheap, and far faster. No need to worry about getting the studio quality paint jobs done or even just setting up a studio quality photo shoot for each model type. If I were GW I wouldn't show any of the plastics until it was actually pre-order time just because the renders accomplish the same thing in a way that is much lower impact to the rest of your workflow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5364993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERJAK Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 I wonder what the odds are that Sisters will get a main codex release and then supplemental codecs for the different orders like this recent marine batch? We shall see I guess. No way in hell. Only marines and chaos will EVER get those supplement books, even if they sell extremely well. GW simply doesn't have the capability to deal with each army suddenly being 10 armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5364997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERJAK Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 I'm sorry, but you can't speculate without comparing army A to armies B, C, D and E. And comparing the beta codex to what Marines are getting? It's fairly easy to speculate that unless drastic changes are made to the codex from beta - and my $$ is on it not happening - Sisters are going to be dog compared to most other armies. If I truly believed that they were actually building the full codex off of the beta codex, I'd agree with you. But I don't think they are or that they ever intended to. I think the beta codex was an easy add to chapter approved to help justify its price point and force more people to buy it when they can just get the points updates online. They needed to fill up 30ish pages in CA and this was the low hanging fruit/ killing two birds with one stone. I do not personally believe that they ever really intended to ship anything even vaguely related to the beta codex and I feel that the only actual feedback they even might have cared about was trying to figure out what SoB players were looking for in a full book. The quality of the beta codex is SO FREAKING FAR beneath even the worst codex that's come out in the last year and a half that I can't believe anyone at any level of QA looked at it and went 'yep, this looks up to our standard'. The grey knight book wasn't even that lazy. Yeah, Necrons are bad but they're bad because they're overpriced for what they do, not because they're totally non-functional with 0 meaningful choices in army construction, even assuming they were priced competitively. When the codex comes out, it will almost certainly be unrecognizable from the beta codex. Unfortunately, we're Sisters of Battle so it'll still be crap, but it will be a different flavor of crap than what we got in the beta. dracpanzer 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5364999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montford Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I cannot agree with Erjak. While the Beta was not up to the level of a true Codex I'm still winning much more than I'm not, and won against Guillaman yesterday. For our new I expect a new Unit, some new gear and the retrun of the Palantine (or equivalent), jump pack canoness and the Eviscerator and Power Axe for the Canoness. I don't know if they'll modify the Faith system, but I hope they'll at least allow a HQ such as a Canoness to contribute an entire Point and / or grant a bonus to the die roll, and Celestine should do both. Speaking of Celestine I am also holding out hope for one or two more Living Saints. I noticed an unexpected point reduction for the new SM Codex which makes me speculate if basic Sisters will also get a one point reduction, or if not them then at least Dominions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5365006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrus Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Honestly, after this marine update, I'm not trusting GW. GSC came out and it was a solid dex. Then our uninspired beta came out. This marine dex has had a lot of effort put into it and as far as i know, our dex is probably next. If our dex is anything less than stellar- especially after all the feedback we gave them, I may actually get genuinely angry. Am happy to be proven wrong. In fact, if it comes out and is truly amazing, I shall do the most soul tainting thing I can think of: assemble and paint a space marine ultramarine *shudder*. Sir_Gaea 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5365140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 If our dex is anything less than stellar- especially after all the feedback we gave them, I may actually get genuinely angry. After the SM update it's going to be an interesting to see where sisters tack up against the tac marines and primaris++. Being 'worse-marines' isn't a great spot to find yourself in when the rest of the game often seems to be balanced off of fighting marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5365149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
taikishi Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) Looks like I couldn't clearly see GMG's video and it was only Tactical Marines that dropped 1ppm. Would be nice if we got similar treatment plus some extra rules, though I'm also tired of hearing "sisters are better because they're more survivable and can get an army-wide 3++" from someone in my XIV FC who knows nothing about Sisters and somehow equates T3, 3+/6++ with the potential of being 4++ with a lot of investment and restrictions as being better than T4, 3+ with no investment. And, no, the first isn't a typo. He believes we can get a 3++. As for BSB in general, I wish they'd just end it and start showing us stuff when the codex is ready to hit because I'm like the rest of you - I'm getting bored with it and it's killing any hype I may have had. Edited August 12, 2019 by taikishi Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5365245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 And, no, the first isn't a typo. He believes we can get a 3++. Sisters can. They only need a nearby canoness with indomitable belief, celestine, and a simulacrum upgraded to a sacred banner and pre-emptively activated. I guess having played deathwatch recently (during their bolter discipline phase) made me appreciate how little the sisters were bringing to the table despite their low costs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5365262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher956 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Sisters can. They only need a nearby canoness with indomitable belief, celestine, and a simulacrum upgraded to a sacred banner and pre-emptively activated. So basically a once per game action on a single unit of T3 W1 models.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5365265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
taikishi Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 And, no, the first isn't a typo. He believes we can get a 3++. Sisters can. They only need a nearby canoness with indomitable belief, celestine, and a simulacrum upgraded to a sacred banner and pre-emptively activated. I guess having played deathwatch recently (during their bolter discipline phase) made me appreciate how little the sisters were bringing to the table despite their low costs. My implication was said person acts like it's an all-the-time 3++, not a OPG 3++. IIRC, Seraphim can get down to a 3++ but that's a maximum of 3 units in a 1001-2000 point game and it drops to a 4++ the moment they get out of range of the canoness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5365276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValourousHeart Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I cannot agree with Erjak. While the Beta was not up to the level of a true Codex I'm still winning much more than I'm not, and won against Guillaman yesterday. For our new I expect a new Unit, some new gear and the retrun of the Palantine (or equivalent), jump pack canoness and the Eviscerator and Power Axe for the Canoness. I don't know if they'll modify the Faith system, but I hope they'll at least allow a HQ such as a Canoness to contribute an entire Point and / or grant a bonus to the die roll, and Celestine should do both. Speaking of Celestine I am also holding out hope for one or two more Living Saints. I noticed an unexpected point reduction for the new SM Codex which makes me speculate if basic Sisters will also get a one point reduction, or if not them then at least Dominions. I actually have high expectations for our codex and the new models. The marine codex and box sets are a good measuring stick. While it is possible for us to get absolutely nothing new, why would GW do that from a business perspective? They clearly want the players to buy these kits, so why would they release nothing new except now in plastic. Take the new phobos marines... Shadow spear came out with new units... and now a couple months later those same units are being released with the option to make different units in the box. There was a clear incentive to buy at both releases. Now you might not have been interested in either release, but the people that were interested, were interested in both releases. The Chaos Knight is clearly equivalent to the Paladan Knight box, which was replaced by the Warden box, and then replaced again by the Canis Rex box. Chaos players are buying that new chaos Knight along with the Canis Rex box , and will certainly buy the new Chaos Knight box with extra spru in 2020 or 2021. We will get several kits that each build one of our classic units. Each of those boxes will also be able to build new units, with simple weapon changes. And they will probably have a couple units in the codex that require bits from several kits in order to build them. Which is why I believe that we will see our kits as mostly 5 person units. Plus that will enable GW to squeeze just a little more cash out of each of us. 10 person boxes are priced at $60 currently. But GW can price a 5 person box at $35 and get $10 more out of us for the same 10 person squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5365539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERJAK Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) I cannot agree with Erjak. While the Beta was not up to the level of a true Codex I'm still winning much more than I'm not, and won against Guillaman yesterday. For our new I expect a new Unit, some new gear and the retrun of the Palantine (or equivalent), jump pack canoness and the Eviscerator and Power Axe for the Canoness. I don't know if they'll modify the Faith system, but I hope they'll at least allow a HQ such as a Canoness to contribute an entire Point and / or grant a bonus to the die roll, and Celestine should do both. Speaking of Celestine I am also holding out hope for one or two more Living Saints. I noticed an unexpected point reduction for the new SM Codex which makes me speculate if basic Sisters will also get a one point reduction, or if not them then at least Dominions. Anyone can win at locals with anything. It's not a great indicator of strength. I will say that the overall power of the book puts it in the middle of the pack simply because of how valuable the anti-psyker is in addition to swaths of 3+4++ 9ppm infantry. The army is also more of less idiot proof meaning it has a very high skill floor relative to an army like genestealers or Eldar. Add in allies and you have an army that sits firmly in the 'okay' category. It's just not one that's particularly interesting to play or build lists for. Ball up in the center and hope you die slower than them, go! Edited August 12, 2019 by ERJAK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5365548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominoris Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Back to speculation ... I know it is still almost a week away but I'm guessing at a Faith teaser for Monday. That or some other change mentioned in BSB#2 beta feedback. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5365973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
taikishi Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 I doubt we're going to see anything rules related until just before the models are ready for pre-order. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5366045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher956 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Back to speculation ... I know it is still almost a week away but I'm guessing at a Faith teaser for Monday. That or some other change mentioned in BSB#2 beta feedback. Nah dominions are more likely :p Or celestians, hospittalers, diagolos Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5366183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERJAK Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 Back to speculation ... I know it is still almost a week away but I'm guessing at a Faith teaser for Monday. That or some other change mentioned in BSB#2 beta feedback. Nah dominions are more likely :p Or celestians, hospittalers, diagolos My guess is Celestians will be the last BSB before they stop simply because they're the first model that's likely to be significantly different. Repentia fairly different but are still fundamentally 'girls with huge chainsword and not a lot of clothes', whereas Celestians most likely will not be 'battle sisters but with a crappy shield drone thing' in their design anymore. My guess for the next one is one of Dominions, penitent engines, or full looks at the new vehicles in that order of likelyhood. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5366253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher956 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Has GW crossed necromunda models over to 40K before? Only the Cawdor article on WHC is banging on about faith & fire being key themes for them ..... so are GW going to make the 2nd troops choice 'Zealots' and re-box the cawdor gang sprues? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5366587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robofish7591 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 I don't think they would re box the cawdor dudes, but frateris militia could possibly come back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5366593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher956 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 well box them up with an AS logo on, not replace the existing necromunda one.... you know kinda like how (3rd -7th ed) space marine sprues are in several boxes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356166-bsb-speculation/page/8/#findComment-5366598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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