Codex: Space Marines 2.0 speculation & discussion

[MajorNese]

The handflamer is gonna be on the Sally upgrade sprue, let's be real here.

 

What weapon is on what sprue isn't really showing 'ownershnip' of the weapon, everyone can take them.

This. No one cares which upgrade sprue is the origin of those wargear options, as long as everyone gets those choices anyway. In that regard it would have been even better if IH had axes and Sallies had hammer, for we all would have had an additional option.

 

But nay, that would be too flexible. Remember the Community Survey, where everyone and their sarge requested more wargear options instead of drip-feeding? Yeah...

[Sete]

 

 

 

I kinda hope BT get a relic sword.

As such a thing isn't on the wargear list, it doesn't seem likely

Yeah unfortunately.

But a power sword is ;)

And if by chance they get a primaris upgrade sprue, swords is where it's at for BT.

[Cleon]

I wonder if the chapter specific upgrade sprues will be followed by a 'all the weapons'  upgrade sprue, providing a generic alternate version of each sgt weapon so you don't have to buy a sprue full of shoulders you don't need if the weapon you want is on the upgrades of another chapter.

[Blindhamster]

I wonder if the chapter specific upgrade sprues will be followed by a 'all the weapons' upgrade sprue, providing a generic alternate version of each sgt weapon so you don't have to buy a sprue full of shoulders you don't need if the weapon you want is on the upgrades of another chapter.

Doubtful! This approach is more expensive

[Aothaine]

Anyone know if the "Counts As" rule is no longer allowed to be used for known successors or if this also applies to DIY chapters?

 

The Spider from Tabletop Tactics mentioned it briefly but did not cover the rule in depth. So if your army is painted as Nova Marines, you cannot do "Counts As" for Ultramarines. But I don't remember if it was also not allowed for DIY chapters.

[Lemondish]

Anyone know if the "Counts As" rule is no longer allowed to be used for known successors or if this also applies to DIY chapters?

 

The Spider from Tabletop Tactics mentioned it briefly but did not cover the rule in depth. So if your army is painted as Nova Marines, you cannot do "Counts As" for Ultramarines. But I don't remember if it was also not allowed for DIY chapters.

 

Technically, it somewhat improved. You can play as Nova Marines and gain everything but the Ultramarine special characters. Have to pay for one of the Ultra only relics, but you can still use the special issue wargear relics or the codex marine relics without an additional cost.

 

So you're either Nova Marines and deal with lack of special characters and pay for specific Ultra relics, or you play a funny painted version of Ultramarines and nobody would really argue.  

[Sete]

Is the chapter master still a CP upgrade?

[Panzer]

Anyone know if the "Counts As" rule is no longer allowed to be used for known successors or if this also applies to DIY chapters?

 

The Spider from Tabletop Tactics mentioned it briefly but did not cover the rule in depth. So if your army is painted as Nova Marines, you cannot do "Counts As" for Ultramarines. But I don't remember if it was also not allowed for DIY chapters.

 

It was never really officially allowed. People just decided to be reasonable about it. ^^

[Captain Idaho]

2 CPs apparently.

[Kallas]

 

Anyone know if the "Counts As" rule is no longer allowed to be used for known successors or if this also applies to DIY chapters?

 

The Spider from Tabletop Tactics mentioned it briefly but did not cover the rule in depth. So if your army is painted as Nova Marines, you cannot do "Counts As" for Ultramarines. But I don't remember if it was also not allowed for DIY chapters.

 

It was never really officially allowed. People just decided to be reasonable about it. ^^

 

Especially in the case of Blood Angels, where the Successor rules were even more restrictive for no good reason.

[RandomMarine]

How do fw chapters like red scorpions work now. Being unknown founding can I still choose to use the IH chapter tactics (the fnp mirrored the old rules some what) and the new version is great if you love dreads and tanks like me

[Brother Christopher]

I'm catching up on all the rumours and previous and one thing got me wondering. I feel as if 80% of the rumours, news and discussions are about Primaris -- the new addition to the line-up, the changes made to existign units, in particular to Reivers and Aggressors, but there's little to none info on the classic Marines and how they fare. I am aware of the change to Drop Pods' rules, the limitation of Honour Guard to UM only, but what about other units, like all Rhino chassis tanks and regular infantry (Tacticals, Assaults and Devastators). Any word on point reductions or changes? How much better will they get thanks to the preview doctrines and how, comparatively, worse are these buffs in juxtaposition to Primaris?

[Marshal Vespasian]

Special issue Bolter for sternguard are free now. Tacticals dropped a point and assault marines became cheaper as well.

I hope they drop crusaders by 1 point as well. Would allow me to field 2 contemptors instead of 2 venerable Dreads.

[Ishagu]

I'm catching up on all the rumours and previous and one thing got me wondering. I feel as if 80% of the rumours, news and discussions are about Primaris -- the new addition to the line-up, the changes made to existign units, in particular to Reivers and Aggressors, but there's little to none info on the classic Marines and how they fare. I am aware of the change to Drop Pods' rules, the limitation of Honour Guard to UM only, but what about other units, like all Rhino chassis tanks and regular infantry (Tacticals, Assaults and Devastators). Any word on point reductions or changes? How much better will they get thanks to the preview doctrines and how, comparatively, worse are these buffs in juxtaposition to Primaris?

There's various point drops, some are significant.

 

Centurions and Grav Weapons in particular, big reductions in points and increase in wounds.

 

Predators are even cheaper at 175.

 

Bunch of other drops here and there.

[Kallas]

Predators are even cheaper at 175.

 

Is that 175 for an Annihilator?

What are the various costs, if you know them, for the constituent parts? Would love for the Destructors to have gone down too - presumably Twin Lascannons are still 40, so would assume the base hull has gone down.

[Ishagu]

 

 

Predators are even cheaper at 175.

Is that 175 for an Annihilator?

What are the various costs, if you know them, for the constituent parts? Would love for the Destructors to have gone down too - presumably Twin Lascannons are still 40, so would assume the base hull has gone down.

That's for a Quad Las. The Predator chassis itself dropped by 5.

 

The Lascannons were unchanged.

[Lemondish]

 

Predators are even cheaper at 175.

 

Is that 175 for an Annihilator?

What are the various costs, if you know them, for the constituent parts? Would love for the Destructors to have gone down too - presumably Twin Lascannons are still 40, so would assume the base hull has gone down.

 

 

There's a google doc posted here that lists the points changes. 

[Kallas]

There's a google doc posted here that lists the points changes. 

 

Brilliant, thank you!

[SkimaskMohawk]

I don't really know how I feel about infiltrators being the same points. I guess it comes down to the comms guys points

[Mmmmm Napalm]

 

 

 

 

I kinda hope BT get a relic sword.

As such a thing isn't on the wargear list, it doesn't seem likely

Yeah unfortunately.

But a power sword is ;)

And if by chance they get a primaris upgrade sprue, swords is where it's at for BT.

Yeah I want a potential BT upgrade sprue to include a power sword, simply because I want a left handed Primarine sword that is appropriate for the BT.

 

The only left handed swords we have currently are:

 

the Gladius from the UM sprue (not appropriate for obvious reasons)

 

the DA sprue sword (has the DA style broadened tip, and is touching the ground)

 

and finally the DA Lieutenant's sword arm. This one fits the BT but it's not fun paying $25-30 for a single arm (something I may or may not have done...)

[mertbl]

Any idea if heavy flamers are an option for devastators(outside of blood angels)?

[SkimaskMohawk]

Probably only sternguard, as that's the only kit that has one.

[Lemondish]

I don't really know how I feel about infiltrators being the same points. I guess it comes down to the comms guys points

Comms kit costs 10 points, so same cost as Adept.

[CCE1981]

 

I don't really know how I feel about infiltrators being the same points. I guess it comes down to the comms guys points

Comms kit costs 10 points, so same cost as Adept.

At first look I believe the comms guy is better than the Adept. If nothing else you don’t have to roll for it.

[Morticon]

 

 

Predators are even cheaper at 175.

 

Is that 175 for an Annihilator?

What are the various costs, if you know them, for the constituent parts? Would love for the Destructors to have gone down too - presumably Twin Lascannons are still 40, so would assume the base hull has gone down.

 

 

There's a google doc posted here that lists the points changes. 

 

 

Looks like they may have confused the Suppressors and the Eliminators