Lexington Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 It's almost funny how the roller coaster for some is come to a halt and is broken while for others it's finally in full ride again instead of being stopped at the top since forever. Well, no, not at all. This isn't a qualitative thing. It's not about if GW should or shouldn't have done this, or if it was good or not. Like, they shouldn't have done it, and it's not good, but that's not really the point. It's about GW setting up all the trappings of a story structure, then going through the motions of its conclusion while still trying to keep the story going. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357263-july-2019-white-dwarf-indomitus-crusade-lore/page/6/#findComment-5354883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 It's almost funny how the roller coaster for some is come to a halt and is broken while for others it's finally in full ride again instead of being stopped at the top since forever. Well, no, not at all. This isn't a qualitative thing. It's not about if GW should or shouldn't have done this, or if it was good or not. Like, they shouldn't have done it, and it's not good, but that's not really the point. It's about GW setting up all the trappings of a story structure, then going through the motions of its conclusion while still trying to keep the story going. No, it's about different people having different opinions and there not being a single truth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357263-july-2019-white-dwarf-indomitus-crusade-lore/page/6/#findComment-5354884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Lightstar Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 It's almost funny how the roller coaster for some is come to a halt and is broken while for others it's finally in full ride again instead of being stopped at the top since forever. Well, no, not at all. This isn't a qualitative thing. It's not about if GW should or shouldn't have done this, or if it was good or not. Like, they shouldn't have done it, and it's not good, but that's not really the point. It's about GW setting up all the trappings of a story structure, then going through the motions of its conclusion while still trying to keep the story going. No, it's about different people having different opinions and there not being a single truth. Surely the entirety of the 40k "Setting" is actually the whole theme park? There's one of the rides called "The Black Crusade" and that's looking a bit tired these days. But, there's a whole lot of other stuff going on, they've opened up parts of the "Guardians of the Throne" exhibit that have never been seen before, and they completely refurbished "The Infested House of the Four-Armed Emperor" which everybody had assumed was gone for good. They've got a big building project in one corner with a sign saying "Nuns with Guns - Coming Soon" and it's got little windows to peek through. It's also possible that you've grown out of theme parks, which is fine if that's you, but there's no need to go shouting at everyone else that they're wrong for not liking them. Rik Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357263-july-2019-white-dwarf-indomitus-crusade-lore/page/6/#findComment-5354911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 It's almost funny how the roller coaster for some is come to a halt and is broken while for others it's finally in full ride again instead of being stopped at the top since forever. Well, no, not at all. This isn't a qualitative thing. It's not about if GW should or shouldn't have done this, or if it was good or not. Like, they shouldn't have done it, and it's not good, but that's not really the point. It's about GW setting up all the trappings of a story structure, then going through the motions of its conclusion while still trying to keep the story going. No, it's about different people having different opinions and there not being a single truth. Surely the entirety of the 40k "Setting" is actually the whole theme park? There's one of the rides called "The Black Crusade" and that's looking a bit tired these days. But, there's a whole lot of other stuff going on, they've opened up parts of the "Guardians of the Throne" exhibit that have never been seen before, and they completely refurbished "The Infested House of the Four-Armed Emperor" which everybody had assumed was gone for good. They've got a big building project in one corner with a sign saying "Nuns with Guns - Coming Soon" and it's got little windows to peek through. It's also possible that you've grown out of theme parks, which is fine if that's you, but there's no need to go shouting at everyone else that they're wrong for not liking them. Rik That would be a different metaphor but also a fitting one, yeah. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357263-july-2019-white-dwarf-indomitus-crusade-lore/page/6/#findComment-5354912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 "All the tension is gone!" What tension? 40K was getting stale. Failbaddon gonna destroy the Imperium? Yeah, right. Midnight is not threatening if the clock is perpetually frozen at 11:59. Anyway, Guilliman has returned and Primaris are popping up, but half the Imperium is lost and the Eye has grown to the galaxy-spanning Rift. Daemon Primarchs are all lining up to take Guilliman's head, and Abaddon is still leading the Black Legion. We're still at 11:59, perhaps more accurately 11:59:30. I suppose we're missing some sort of climactic conflict like Cadia? GW could easily replace that with some other campaign. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357263-july-2019-white-dwarf-indomitus-crusade-lore/page/6/#findComment-5356033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 "All the tension is gone!" What tension? 40K was getting stale. Failbaddon gonna destroy the Imperium? Yeah, right. Midnight is not threatening if the clock is perpetually frozen at 11:59. Anyway, Guilliman has returned and Primaris are popping up, but half the Imperium is lost and the Eye has grown to the galaxy-spanning Rift. Daemon Primarchs are all lining up to take Guilliman's head, and Abaddon is still leading the Black Legion. We're still at 11:59, perhaps more accurately 11:59:30. I suppose we're missing some sort of climactic conflict like Cadia? GW could easily replace that with some other campaign. This is a hard core edgy meme take. Vigilus didn’t have any of the gravitas Armageddon, Cadia, and Badab did. Half the Imperium is gone, and yet... nothing has been done with it. There’s no midnight here. If you can’t explicitly state what midnight is, what will cause it, and how it getting closer looks on the ground - it isn’t there. Simple as that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357263-july-2019-white-dwarf-indomitus-crusade-lore/page/6/#findComment-5356040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 I agree with the good Marshal. Reading the first book of Vigilus it just seemed like a bunch of stories cobbled together in one book, lacking the gravitas and contionuity that the Badab War books or Siege of Vraks books had. I was extremly disapointed and didn't bother buying the second book as for something they hyped up to be like the FWs Black Books it.... wasn't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357263-july-2019-white-dwarf-indomitus-crusade-lore/page/6/#findComment-5356043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 I agree with the good Marshal. Reading the first book of Vigilus it just seemed like a bunch of stories cobbled together in one book, lacking the gravitas and contionuity that the Badab War books or Siege of Vraks books had. I was extremly disapointed and didn't bother buying the second book as for something they hyped up to be like the FWs Black Books it.... wasn't. You're comparing a GW campaign to the FW campaigns which have always been far better written. Let's wait and see if FW write one up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357263-july-2019-white-dwarf-indomitus-crusade-lore/page/6/#findComment-5356046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 The Badab War books from FW were good. Most of the others were not. Doom of Mymeara was particularly bad not just for the writing but also for the innumerable grammatical errors and other editing issues throughout the whole thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357263-july-2019-white-dwarf-indomitus-crusade-lore/page/6/#findComment-5356057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 I agree with the good Marshal. Reading the first book of Vigilus it just seemed like a bunch of stories cobbled together in one book, lacking the gravitas and contionuity that the Badab War books or Siege of Vraks books had. I was extremly disapointed and didn't bother buying the second book as for something they hyped up to be like the FWs Black Books it.... wasn't. You're comparing a GW campaign to the FW campaigns which have always been far better written. Let's wait and see if FW write one up. I am comparing because GW did the exact same thing: Vigilus Defiant takes everything you love about campaign books and uses it to bring to life the latest thrilling chapter in the unfolding saga of the Dark Imperium. Take the depth, texture and detail of the Horus Heresy campaign books, add themed armies and narrative battling inspired by classics like Codex: Armageddon, throw in an epic story that will change the face of the galaxy and you’ve got Vigilus Defiant. Source. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357263-july-2019-white-dwarf-indomitus-crusade-lore/page/6/#findComment-5356059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 They also said that it's their first attempt at something like this and they hope people like it. As mentioned above some of the FW campaigns were of lesser quality too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357263-july-2019-white-dwarf-indomitus-crusade-lore/page/6/#findComment-5356060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 I agree with the good Marshal. Reading the first book of Vigilus it just seemed like a bunch of stories cobbled together in one book, lacking the gravitas and contionuity that the Badab War books or Siege of Vraks books had. I was extremly disapointed and didn't bother buying the second book as for something they hyped up to be like the FWs Black Books it.... wasn't.You're comparing a GW campaign to the FW campaigns which have always been far better written. Let's wait and see if FW write one up. I am comparing because GW did the exact same thing:Vigilus Defiant takes everything you love about campaign books and uses it to bring to life the latest thrilling chapter in the unfolding saga of the Dark Imperium. Take the depth, texture and detail of the Horus Heresy campaign books, add themed armies and narrative battling inspired by classics like Codex: Armageddon, throw in an epic story that will change the face of the galaxy and you’ve got Vigilus Defiant. Source. They really could’ve made Vigilus something special if they had kept it to Imperium vs Chaos. These campaign books should always be Imperium vs. Chaos or Xenos but never mixed together. It dilutes the focus too much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357263-july-2019-white-dwarf-indomitus-crusade-lore/page/6/#findComment-5356073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK0SIAN Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 I agree with the good Marshal. Reading the first book of Vigilus it just seemed like a bunch of stories cobbled together in one book, lacking the gravitas and contionuity that the Badab War books or Siege of Vraks books had. I was extremly disapointed and didn't bother buying the second book as for something they hyped up to be like the FWs Black Books it.... wasn't.You're comparing a GW campaign to the FW campaigns which have always been far better written. Let's wait and see if FW write one up. I am comparing because GW did the exact same thing:Vigilus Defiant takes everything you love about campaign books and uses it to bring to life the latest thrilling chapter in the unfolding saga of the Dark Imperium. Take the depth, texture and detail of the Horus Heresy campaign books, add themed armies and narrative battling inspired by classics like Codex: Armageddon, throw in an epic story that will change the face of the galaxy and you’ve got Vigilus Defiant. Source. They really could’ve made Vigilus something special if they had kept it to Imperium vs Chaos. These campaign books should always be Imperium vs. Chaos or Xenos but never mixed together. It dilutes the focus too much. The funny thing is, in the seminar at the vigilus open day, they even said they felt like previous campaigns like Medusa didn’t work because they were too cluttered with too many factions. Then they did the same thing for Vigilus just leaving out a couple of factions. Campaign books definitely need to be more tightly focussed like Vraks to make them compelling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357263-july-2019-white-dwarf-indomitus-crusade-lore/page/6/#findComment-5356088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Casman Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Well, since we seem to be done discussing the Indomitus Crusade lore presented in July's WD, I think it's time to button this one up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357263-july-2019-white-dwarf-indomitus-crusade-lore/page/6/#findComment-5356090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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