Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Regardless, if there's a BT Supplement or not, you're gonna need that main book? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5367496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Regardless, if there's a BT Supplement or not, you're gonna need that main book? Yes, but I'm not rushing until i see the release. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5367518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Also guys, we have shield drones! So the new bodygaurd rule works like so. If you fail a save, a bodygaurd unit nearby on 2+ takes the attack instead and suffers a SINGLE mortal wound. Then due to our chapter tactics we get a 5+++ on our veterans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5367519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Its my grumpiness and stubbornness I suppose. I do like the rules, but I want to start a primaris army. And if Ultras already have 3 chars, we can have 1 or 2 I reckon. Voting with my wallet (as if it made a difference) and all that. Primaris are going to be good regardless of what Templars get. TDA are going to be much better too especially with that new strat Its a good time for SM Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5367532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 On that I agree, not complaining about the rules. Either way I'm starting an army. I would prefer BT to a DiY tho. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5367547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciler Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Its a good time for SMYep. I mean it's straight buffs pretty much all around with new units, traits that got expanded, etc. The only possible downside are some point values increases (thunder hammers for characters) and minor tweaks that make Guilliman somewhat less desirable (I'd call a good thing myself but I could see why UM players may not like the notion)... My main concern is that there starts to be a pattern. Chaos V2 codex was also a buff (though not quite in the same manner as the heretic chapter "traits" did not get buffed), so I hope we're not just seeing a wave of power creep that'll put us in the dumps again the second the eldar dex gets revamped... Having said that, and regardless of tabletop efficacy, I really do like our "ignore mortal wound on 5+" new trait, it's so fluffy with regard to the main source of MW being psykers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5367602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
balordazul Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I have given away all my primaries models and have just been playing with my classic BT line. I explained this to my gaming friends that I will support the primaris line when they either completely move away from the classic range or provide me with an equivalent in play style of a crusader squad. So I'm likely in a holding pattern for another 5 to 10 years on my monetary support for the SM model line. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5367630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lippy Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Also guys, we have shield drones! So the new bodygaurd rule works like so. If you fail a save, a bodygaurd unit nearby on 2+ takes the attack instead and suffers a SINGLE mortal wound. Then due to our chapter tactics we get a 5+++ on our veterans. Wheres the source for this? Is it the list that popped up earlier that came across as a bit of a wishlist? the one where neophytes do mortal wounds on 6's? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5367635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 BT gain a fnp against Mortal Wounds On a 2+ company Champions take a wound for a character that becomes a mortal wound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5367673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 No, you can take both. That's the rules.No, you can not. Read the Codex mate - the Chapter Master Stratagem explicitly states that you can not have more than one Chapter Master from the same Chapter in your army. Helbrecht has the Chapter Master and Black Templars keywords, so you can’t take both Helbrecht and use the Chapter Master Stratagem on another Black Templar. Now, new Codex so that wording might change, but I’ll eat my hat - actually I’ll have to go buy a hat and then eat it - if that restriction goes away. After all, barring Warp shenanigans, having two Chapter Masters from the same Chapter on the same battlefield at the same time doesn’t quite work. KombatWombat, you'd better buy yourself that hat... (Although, to be fair, there are no Chapter Master models in the codex, as they will all be in the supplements, so I anticipate we may see that restriction in those.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5367698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Read it again, the restriction is right there in the first sentence. Use this stratagem before the battle if your army does not include a CHAPTER MASTER model. So its changed but only to make it more restrictive. Before you could have Calgar and a Crimson Fists Captain and then still upgrade the Captain because he was a different chapter, now you can't even do that. Dante is from a effectively unrelated book but he has the keyword so he blocks you using the stratagem if you ally him in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5367803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lippy Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 BT gain a fnp against Mortal Wounds On a 2+ company Champions take a wound for a character that becomes a mortal wound. Aha, sorry I misunderstood and thought it was this ‘neophyte meat shield rule’ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5367860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kombatwombat Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 As Closet Skeleton said, I think my diet will remain hat-free. I think I’ll buy a pair of glasses instead. The quality of that photo is atrocious! Edit: Also, on that point, could somebody who speaks fluent pixel tell me if that says ‘models within 6” of a chapter master can reroll’ or ‘models in a unit that is within 6” of a chapter master can reroll’? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5367956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 As Closet Skeleton said, I think my diet will remain hat-free. I think I’ll buy a pair of glasses instead. The quality of that photo is atrocious! Edit: Also, on that point, could somebody who speaks fluent pixel tell me if that says ‘models within 6” of a chapter master can reroll’ or ‘models in a unit that is within 6” of a chapter master can reroll’? Its units in 6" and the pic is crystal clear if you click on it even on mobile (which is what I'm on Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5367988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kombatwombat Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Ah, thank you Acebaur. That’s good news. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5367989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spanish Inquisitor Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 So someone on a french forum have been told that Black Templars would not be in the IF supplément, but they would receive rules in a vigilus-style supplément. This source have been proved reliable with certain news for the SM codex, like doctrines, before it has been revealed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5368043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 On gorilla tactics gaming he reviewed all three books and during the ultramarines supplement he said that the codex says there’s supplements for the 6 First founding, crimson fist, AND black Templar. I don’t know if he was being literal or if he was making a minor speculation towards the fact that (according to his codex review) the codex says “bloodangles darkangles and codex don’t get their own supplements because they will have their own books” Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5368049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spanish Inquisitor Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 Well almost everybody, including me, assumed that BT were included in the IF supplement. We will find out soon :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5368053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 So someone on a french forum have been told that Black Templars would not be in the IF supplément, but they would receive rules in a vigilus-style supplément. This source have been proved reliable with certain news for the SM codex, like doctrines, before it has been revealed. So psychic awakening, October. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5368082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 On gorilla tactics gaming he reviewed all three books and during the ultramarines supplement he said that the codex says there’s supplements for the 6 First founding, crimson fist, AND black Templar. I don’t know if he was being literal or if he was making a minor speculation towards the fact that (according to his codex review) the codex says “bloodangles darkangles and codex don’t get their own supplements because they will have their own books” Well, supplements for the 6 first founding, Crimsons Fists and Black Templars would essentially mean that each chapter that has official chapter tactics in the codex would get a supplement. Makes sense. But I'll believe it when I see it. About a vigilus style supplement, would that give use enough space I wonder? Seeing as in vigilus they squeezed in like one datasheet? So many questions needing answers.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5368097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Do the UM and WS supplements even cover their Sucessors? This rumour actually makes sense. But unless we feature prominently, like UM in Vigilus, and with model release, unlike gathering storm, might be worth the wait. And would fit with our new CT to avoid Mortal wounds. Also that Aquilla rumour pic, could really be Grimaldus servitor. When the IF supplement releases, everything will be made clear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5368102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Sod hats, I'll get my coat! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5368114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Anywho, moving on from that... Embarrassment. I've been through the new codex, and I really am hoping for our own supplement now, as we are not mentioned in this one much at all. We have a slightly bigger entry in the IF successor chapters list than most. (As with Crimson Fists) but nothing like what we had with the last book. There are no pictures of our chapter in the photos section... (Even the CF got one.) Which is concerning, do they even have a Studio Primaris BT army?? I can't recall the last time I saw a new model painted BT..? Hopeful me wonders if they're hiding some nice upgrade bits from us? The rules are generally a nice surprise as we've seen, except for the fact Oathkeeper survived the transfer. Vindicators also became D6 shots, which makes them a little more intriguing. The Teeth also became straight +3 attacks, not D3. What I would have liked is a stratagem to skip to the Assault Doctrine, all you have is Adaptive Strategy, which allows you to go back a doctrine. (So, Assault back to Tactical, or Tactical back to Devastator.) Orbital Bombardment also doesn't require the Warlord to remain stationary anymore, which is a nice buff. Intercessors also benefit from a lot of stratagems, there's a nice one which allows stalker bolt rifle intercessors to target characters. (Not very Templar perhaps, but rather nice.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5368128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 No pictures? weird. Could be good, could be bad. They might be hiding new cool stuff, they might not have anything at all. Well this just strengthens my resolve of not buying it until we have news. Haven't played since the primaris debut, whats a few more months? I assume this Saturday we will have some pdf rules? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5368171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciler Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 What I would have liked is a stratagem to skip to the Assault Doctrine,Perhaps they are saving that for later, either us or our fellow assault oriented BA/SW ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/17/#findComment-5368178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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