Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 What I would have liked is a stratagem to skip to the Assault Doctrine,Perhaps they are saving that for later, either us or our fellow assault oriented BA/SW ? I'm hoping that will be our thing. On the pictures front, we also didn't get anything new, iirc, in the last codex, just pictures of existing first born models. (I.e. no Primaris BTs) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kombatwombat Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 What I would have liked is a stratagem to skip to the Assault Doctrine,Perhaps they are saving that for later, either us or our fellow assault oriented BA/SW ? That is exactly the Stratagem/native ability we need. So, based on history, they’ll give it to the Blood Angels... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtySixNights Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I'm hoping we'll have full time assault doctrine. Who needs anything else?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 What I would have liked is a stratagem to skip to the Assault Doctrine,Perhaps they are saving that for later, either us or our fellow assault oriented BA/SW ? I'm hoping that will be our thing. On the pictures front, we also didn't get anything new, iirc, in the last codex, just pictures of existing first born models. (I.e. no Primaris BTs) There's a single picture of a kitbashed Dark Imperium Lieutenant Castellan, but yeah, that's about it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 BA/DA/SW are not getting supplements, they will have their own book and therefore do not get combat doctrines. So you don't have to worry about that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
balordazul Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Lucky them they will only need to spend $40 vs $70 for us to get the basic rules plus a tax to get our faction. grrrr This might be the first SM edition that I skip. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Do the UM and WS supplements even cover their Sucessors? This rumour actually makes sense. But unless we feature prominently, like UM in Vigilus, and with model release, unlike gathering storm, might be worth the wait. And would fit with our new CT to avoid Mortal wounds. Also that Aquilla rumour pic, could really be Grimaldus servitor. When the IF supplement releases, everything will be made clear. what Aquilla rumour Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 BA/DA/SW are not getting supplements, they will have their own book and therefore do not get combat doctrines. So you don't have to worry about that maybe later on... they get the same treatment as well. But for now they dont have enough capacity Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Do the UM and WS supplements even cover their Sucessors? This rumour actually makes sense. But unless we feature prominently, like UM in Vigilus, and with model release, unlike gathering storm, might be worth the wait. And would fit with our new CT to avoid Mortal wounds. Also that Aquilla rumour pic, could really be Grimaldus servitor. When the IF supplement releases, everything will be made clear. what Aquilla rumour WarCom Article. Uh, it's an aquila. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othniel's Blade Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/16/space-marines-new-rules-for-non-codex-chaptersgw-homepage-post-3/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 This is very much a cut an paste tie things over PDF since none of characters are primaris. I say that because otherwise I would be very annoyed to see the old crusader squad points costs there. I don't want swap to assault doctrine for free, I want those stupid codex astartes doctrines replaced by Vows. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Talarian Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 So, if I’m glancing over this correctly, there is 0 changes besides the addition of angels of death rule and changing the way chaplains work (Grimaldus) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Yep same thing replace ATSKNF for angels of death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Do we still have our 4+ Deny strategem? You think even after this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 That is disappointing, to say the least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Well its to be expected until the supplements drops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lippy Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 That is disappointing, to say the least. It’s just a stop gap to give the new Angels of Death rule to chapter specific units so we can use them at their current cost and rules but within a new style detachment, while we wait for the supplements. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Before everyone gets their panties in a bunch, remember that this is literally a stop gap so we can still play our army until the rest of the supplements drop. Thinking about it, I was hoping that Grimaldus would get something related to litanies and while he technically didn't, neither did he lose his Unmatched Zeal rule which is now a litany. And his is always on. Plus he can still choose another from the list. So I'm fine with that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Well its to be expected until the supplements drops. +1 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I don't think anyone is going to be too problematic if we continue to use Abhor the Witch. I plan on continuing to use the Vigilus stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I don't think anyone is going to be too problematic if we continue to use Abhor the Witch. I plan on continuing to use the Vigilus stuff. I don't either, but vigilus is still in print. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gang_chong Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 So Initiates are 13 pts per each while tac squad is 12 pts per each? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
balordazul Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Just doing a Grimaldus quick double check. Litanies of Faith and our Chapter Tactic, so we never use Faith as we have it built in. Then there is Exhortation of Rage and Unmatched Zeal will these work together to trigger a +2 additional attacks with the same weapon? I know the first thing is to check is the name of the power and the second is if it is a save type we never overlap saves. Sure a natural 6 is still a low chance and there are some better options depending on the unit in question. Just doing a little double checking as I can't remember all the stipulations for similar powers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
balordazul Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I don't think anyone is going to be too problematic if we continue to use Abhor the Witch. I plan on continuing to use the Vigilus stuff. Vigilus should be good for a while and it is still the same addition unless the supplement changes the rules it should still be good. So Initiates are 13 pts per each while tac squad is 12 pts per each? Yep Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2edition Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Lets talk about running grimaldus + helbrectHelbrect: +1 str, Reroll missesGrimaldus: exploding 6's, Fire off a litany for +1 to wound.Hello wounding Marines on a 2+ and Knights on a 4+... With a chainsword. Spend 1cp to switch to assault doctrine to make those swords -1 AP.Then load some crusaders up in 2-3 pods, drop them in with the characters turn 1, put on some linkin loyalist and go to town. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5368583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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