Marshal Arthur Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Not necessarily. If they focus on LRCs and Crusader Squads then they're just improving two Templar favored units and giving us what so many people have asked for, in which case once close combat Primaris are added they'll probably add new rules to give them Templar flavor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 You are right, im jumping the gun. Its the wait, its getting to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 So i assume that by Spanish Inquisitor comment our rules will be still Oldmarines focused. Thats not good on the long run. Scouts are not technically oldmarines. Primaris are created from scouts the same as classic marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyliadan Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 So, let's speculate a bit, if the rumor proved 100% true and we were able to disembark from a LRC after it moved and charge without overwatch etc, would that be enough to warrant its return en masse on the tabletop ? Or would the cons still outweigh the pros (apart from fluffy lists/friendly games) ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2edition Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 I would like to appreciate that the rumor about the order of releases seems to be true, even though the rumor channel stated it didnt make sense.https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/08/coming-next-week-iron-and-shadow/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 So, let's speculate a bit, if the rumor proved 100% true and we were able to disembark from a LRC after it moved and charge without overwatch etc, would that be enough to warrant its return en masse on the tabletop ? Or would the cons still outweigh the pros (apart from fluffy lists/friendly games) ? It would certainly be a nice excuse for me to bring 3 Land Raiders and just go ham with them but if you are talking about competitive then no, its just a nice gimmick and its main issues are that all the really good close combat units in the codex dont need a transport and loading 45 Crusaders might be a good horde but you will still need something to kill vehicles or other heavier units so basing a list on Crusaders and Land Raiders is just expending a lot of points for a one turn gimmick and I would argue that if you are bringing only one Land Raider then you will need to bring more Vehicles to dilute your opponents anit-tank and give that Land Raider a chance, so thats either more Land Raiders or similarly expensive vehicles like Executioners. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 So i assume that by Spanish Inquisitor comment our rules will be still Oldmarines focused. Thats not good on the long run. Scouts are not technically oldmarines. Primaris are created from scouts the same as classic marines. I love this bit of lore, but I am a bit tickled over how much you keep having to remind people of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 A normal venerable Dread with laser and rocket launcher is still good. A Relic contemptor with twin lascannons is just WAY better. That doesnt invalidate the humble boxnought though. Especially since they are way cheaper. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirnov Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 I would like to appreciate that the rumor about the order of releases seems to be true, even though the rumor channel stated it didnt make sense. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/08/coming-next-week-iron-and-shadow/ what was the rumored order? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2edition Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 I would like to appreciate that the rumor about the order of releases seems to be true, even though the rumor channel stated it didnt make sense. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/08/coming-next-week-iron-and-shadow/ what was the rumored order? Ironhands + Raven next Then Salamanders Imperial fists Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirnov Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Oh, I see! Thought there was something more... But with IH+RG announced it's kinda obvious IF ans S are last ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On the french forum, BT assault doctrine should wound on hit of 6? Cant make it very well on the tranlation. If he knows the rules, we should not be long out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyliadan Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 You understood it right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2edition Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Oh, I see! Thought there was something more... But with IH+RG announced it's kinda obvious IF ans S are last ) Yes, but this rumor was from back when the codex came out. I am saying it ended up being true, and that gives credit to the source. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydonianDragoon404 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Battle report from today: Played 2k points with the new codex vs. Thousand Sons + Tzeentch Daemons. His list was: 3 Sorcs, Ahriman, 2 daemon princes, 2 10 man rubric squads, a couple squads of horrors, 2 tzeentch chariots, 10 tzaangors, and 5 scarabs. Lots of infantry, no vehicles. Good for me. My List: Brigade, Sword Brethren Detachment Captain, Teeth of Terra/Bolt Pistol Primaris Captain, Extra wound WL trait, Power Sword Primaris Lt, Power Sword Chaplain Dreadnought, Assault Cannon, Imperium Sword WL Trait, Manta of Strength Litany Incursors x6 Intercessors x7 Stalker Rifles Intercessors x5 Assault Bolt Rifles Scouts x5, Heavy Bolter Scouts x5 Scouts x5 Inceptors, Plasma x3 Suppressors x3 Bikers x3 Sword Brethren, SS/Chainsword x4, SS/PowerFist Sgt Cenobyte Servitors Sternguard x10 Devastators, 4x GravCannon, Cherub Thunderfire Cannon Eliminators I had first turn, and the drop was brutal. I was able to kill half his army on turn 1. After I killed a 10 man squad of Rubrics with the grav cannons alone, the Sternguard blasted a chariot thanks to masterful marksmenship. I was able to easily kill off some squishy daemons with the incursors and other shooting. Snipers put wounds down on a Daemon prince, brought him low, so I decided what the hell, lets charge the teeth of terra into it. Made the 10'' charge and killed it. It was a devastating alpha strike. My opponent didn't have the models to retaliate afterwards, and I stayed ahead on objective points. Also, the Chaplain dreadnought is scary good as long as your opponent doesn't make 12/12 4+ invulnerable saves. He got in it with a Daemon Prince, didn't kill him in 2 rounds of combat with Honor the Chapter, because my opponent made crazy saves, but if that doesn't happen, it literally only takes 2 of those strikes getting through to drop the Daemon Prince with Damage 4 due to Mantra of Strength. Also, I decided to pair him up with the Sword brethren because he can do a similar thing to Helbrecht, with 1 CP he can at least give them re roll 1s to hit and if they are in combat together he gives out the +1 strength. Also, pairing the dreadnought with those guys can make him incredibly resilient. Not only can the Sword Brethren take hits for the Chaplain Dread, getting a 5+ against the mortal wound, but the dread has a 5+ invuln, 6+ ignore damage, and can halve damage incoming for 1 CP. It seems to be like all of that makes for a very difficult to kill character dreadnought. I actually didn't get to use the suppressor cancelling overwatch ability, I didn't need it. Suppressors feel very nice to use. Looking forward to more games against xenos and such. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmmmm Napalm Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 All I want is an updated upgrade sprue and The Champion and/or Grimaldus to get an updated model. I'm going to assume this will never happen so as not to get my hopes up. The fact that the leaks concern oldmarine stuff gives me even more cause for being cynical Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 hmm 6s autowounds is not that strong as i was hopng for. But maybe we get some nice Stratagems and Relics ( Auto Litany ) and powerful meleebuffs in addition to autowounds. If you compare that with Ultramarines who getting double shots for a lot of units or 2 DAMAGE FLAT... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Valkenhayn Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 The leaks pointing toward original marines couldn't make me happier. Though I can see the concerns people have about us being left behind if we dont' have Primaris support, i don't own any Primaris models, and if I ever build a Primaris army it won't be BT. It'd probably be an Iron Hands army or something. Starting a Primaris crusade would feel too much like turning my back on my boys, and I can't bring myself to do it. So despite the warning lights of 'this might be the last thing we ever get' and the extra toys Primaris get, I can't help it. I'm satisfied. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirnov Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Oh, I see! Thought there was something more... But with IH+RG announced it's kinda obvious IF ans S are last ) Yes, but this rumor was from back when the codex came out. I am saying it ended up being true, and that gives credit to the source. Yeah, Igot what you were saying, it was more of derp on my side - I could have easily done the 'math' on which supplements would be next as there are only two left. I'm always gatting blindsided by BA, DA and SW having their separate books The leaks pointing toward original marines couldn't make me happier. Though I can see the concerns people have about us being left behind if we dont' have Primaris support, i don't own any Primaris models, and if I ever build a Primaris army it won't be BT. It'd probably be an Iron Hands army or something. Starting a Primaris crusade would feel too much like turning my back on my boys, and I can't bring myself to do it. So despite the warning lights of 'this might be the last thing we ever get' and the extra toys Primaris get, I can't help it. I'm satisfied. Where do you read those leaks? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 So i assume that by Spanish Inquisitor comment our rules will be still Oldmarines focused. Thats not good on the long run.Scouts are not technically oldmarines. Primaris are created from scouts the same as classic marines. I love this bit of lore, but I am a bit tickled over how much you keep having to remind people of it. I was refering to the LRC bit. Unless primaris can use them or the same gimmick can be done with Primaris veichle. But now im confused. Eldar are the first book, and BT will come soon after. Alone? With IF? Another psy awakewning book? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 All I want is an updated upgrade sprue and The Champion and/or Grimaldus to get an updated model. I'm going to assume this will never happen so as not to get my hopes up. The fact that the leaks concern oldmarine stuff gives me even more cause for being cynical It feels like GW are under the impression we only like old stuff, but since they never give use new stuff they never see much support for new stuff, so they keep just giving us rules for old stuff, when we're well past the point where those won't get new models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBadger Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 How much coverage will the BT realistically get in a Fistdex? Or is it better to hope for a full Codex Black Templars? (The other non-codex get separate books). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 presumably it would still be a lot better than 6th, 7th and 8th 1.0, but we can't tell for sure. Allegedly successor space in WS and UM didn't get much focus at all? Though given that we have our own characters, squad, chapter trait etc, if we were included there or anywhere else, we would still need and get a modicum of space alotted to us. Getting our own codex would obviously be the best option. Not happening. Our chapter tactic is C:SM 2.0. Getting a supplement would still be phenomally good, and not much different from a codex. almost a 100ish pages devoted solely to us? We havent seen that since 4th edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spanish Inquisitor Posted September 9, 2019 Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 Autowound on a 6 with a black tide looks nice though. Wéll just have to wait for CC primaris to use it efficiently. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirnov Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 presumably it would still be a lot better than 6th, 7th and 8th 1.0, but we can't tell for sure. Allegedly successor space in WS and UM didn't get much focus at all? Though given that we have our own characters, squad, chapter trait etc, if we were included there or anywhere else, we would still need and get a modicum of space alotted to us. True about successors in released comanions, but other chapters don't have successors with the depth and support of BT and CF. Even core 'dex distinguishes us with seaprate chapter tactic and stuff. And we specifically have more named characters than any other chapter save UM. So it's reasonale to expect more info on these successors in the IF companion book. While I'm hoping we get a separate codex, I don't really see it happening right now. I think GW are preoccupied with Sisters and new stuf so they have little time to spare on updating our mini range that the codex will entail, but we do fall nicely into codex supplement territory of 'one primaris character and a sprue' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/33/#findComment-5384474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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