TiguriusX Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Don't do it brother! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Don't do it brother! Seriously it's not like they got any better treatment lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 Ah relax, I'm not going anywhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 I know it gets confusing when you see Space Marines and think "I play, Space Wolves, I'm a Space Marine!" but.... This isn't our release. it's not our Codex. and we're lucky we get to tag along with new toys. and that's what this is ... a tag along. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 It's not the fact we waited 1.5 years for a subpar codex. It's the fact that we haven't been "patched".Missed ca18'Missed big spring faq.Now a massive update to core Marines Within a year of wolves. Except Marines appear to be getting patched again while wolves get nothing.Look, I expected less than nothing, and yet I still somehow feel disappointed.I frankly don't expect anything in ca19' for us, and I suspect Marines proper will get lots of patched in ca19'.I don't expect anything to change until we get our new Dex, the real question here, is when. 6 months? 1 year, 2 years?All the above applied to grey knights also ----- edit: fixed "get knights" to "grey knights" my phone keeps auto correcting Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 I know it gets confusing when you see Space Marines and think "I play, Space Wolves, I'm a Space Marine!" but.... This isn't our release. it's not our Codex. and we're lucky we get to tag along with new toys. and that's what this is ... a tag along. Thats how it should be but history shows thats not whats happening. Our current book was 100% an in tandem affair that was delayed very likely to appease the release schedule. You can see it in the one thing that was fairly innovative being released in PDF in our Sagas. I think its completely appropriate to need to vent a little after the hype then retraction, the previous dex, and the uncertain future of our beloved army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 It's not the fact we waited 1.5 years for a subpar codex. It's the fact that we haven't been "patched". Missed ca18' Missed big spring faq. Now a massive update to core Marines Within a year of wolves. Except Marines appear to be getting patched again while wolves get nothing. Look, I expected less than nothing, and yet I still somehow feel disappointed. I frankly don't expect anything in ca19' for us, and I suspect Marines proper will get lots of patched in ca19'. I don't expect anything to change until we get our new Dex, the real question here, is when. 6 months? 1 year, 2 years? All the above applied to get knights also This is my frustration as well I know it's not our release but it's a great opportunity to patch us up. Instead they give us a small bump but make the gap between us and regular marines even larger. Unless massive point corrections in CA19 (which is unlikely if we dont see em now) we are gunna be struggling til our actual release. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oshikai Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Redacted Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Mmmmmm Im not going to panic just yet about the doctrine thing. Ive been around the block long enough to not 100% trust the way those articles are laid out. Edit: NM Simon Grant confirmed no doctrines. Now I rage panic. He also said we will probably get our own set in due course. Could be a nice Chapter Approved 2019 if we got overdue points drops and non codex chapters got their litanies and doctrines. Or outside bet they release another supplement to sell to us, or maybe even a White Dwarf codex astartes Edit: apologies to WGD for repeating him a bit Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 I know it gets confusing when you see Space Marines and think "I play, Space Wolves, I'm a Space Marine!" but.... This isn't our release. it's not our Codex. and we're lucky we get to tag along with new toys. and that's what this is ... a tag along. Thats how it should be but history shows thats not whats happening. Our current book was 100% an in tandem affair that was delayed very likely to appease the release schedule. You can see it in the one thing that was fairly innovative being released in PDF in our Sagas. I think its completely appropriate to need to vent a little after the hype then retraction, the previous dex, and the uncertain future of our beloved army. I literally share those same thoughts GW doesn't seem aware of the tournament season and player base. Need to treat balance like online multiplayer and do all at once (chapter approved and big faq style). delaying to fill a schedule doesn't fit the current reality http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357432-should-all-the-chapters-be-rolled-into-one-codex/page-2 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 I know it gets confusing when you see Space Marines and think "I play, Space Wolves, I'm a Space Marine!" but.... This isn't our release. it's not our Codex. and we're lucky we get to tag along with new toys. and that's what this is ... a tag along. Thats how it should be but history shows thats not whats happening. Our current book was 100% an in tandem affair that was delayed very likely to appease the release schedule. You can see it in the one thing that was fairly innovative being released in PDF in our Sagas. I think its completely appropriate to need to vent a little after the hype then retraction, the previous dex, and the uncertain future of our beloved army. well i guess my question is didn't you gripe enough when the delay actually happened. the fact is it happened and the landscape is now what it is. do we need to rehash it for every other factions release until its our turn again. the cycle of jealousy is exhausting. surely there is a better outlet for this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 well i guess my question is didn't you gripe enough when the delay actually happened. the fact is it happened and the landscape is now what it is. do we need to rehash it for every other factions release until its our turn again. the cycle of jealousy is exhausting. surely there is a better outlet for this. *nobody show him the Black Templar forum Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 View this as a net positive. While it is Codex Marines' time to shine we did get some benefits. We will still be at the bottom for competitiveness and that stinks. And GW doesn't move quickly with remedies. But we gained a lot of tools we didn't really have before (yes we did have access to the Vanguard stuff prior). Infiltrators are a tier 1 screen that we sorely needed. The cost is premium but they are excellent at their role. Troop, check. Forward deploy, check. Bubble of no touchy, CHECK! Phobos Lieutenants and Captains have shown some use. A couple of our savvier players have posted battle reports about them. Suppressors are cool that they can deny overwatch. They may have use. Invictor, Redemptor, and Impulsor could be cool. Remains to be seen as it is dependent on cost. I'm not really sold on Incursors being better than infiltrators. Shock assault benefits us and BA more than any of the other chapters. We have really good stratagems. Well-designed for us and effective. We could use a points decrease across the board which we probably won't get now that Marines have been upped. GW will want to keep point cost parity with Codex Marines. We will probably have to wait for a rules boost. Hopefully they add something to increase our durability. A lot of the other chapters had something added to their chapter trait that increased durability i.e. Salamanders. Some of the expectations we had were probably due to optimism. It just wasn't our turn for the boost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 Im with ya. Im excited to use my Infiltrators more. Im also not sure about the Incursors though i loooove the idea of the mines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolf81 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 this doctrine thing created a lot of rage ...we may see some changes on those pdfs :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Also, I reserve the right to change my positivity to negativity depending on my mood and what new stratagems Codex Marines get, especially if they copy our most effective ones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 I think TWC*, characters, and Wulfen have gone up in quality and importance; anything we have with an invul/stormshield and hits hard in the fight phase *still are overpriced Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Honestly I agree with the spirit of no doctrines, we dont follow the codex after all. I just dislike the disadvantage inherent to it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 TDA are still not great. Are they getting a decent boost? 4 S 8 TH A's with 2+/3++ and 2 Wounds isn't seeming pretty strong to present a decent press if backed up or going in beside Wulfen and / or BC's. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 TDA are still not great. Are they getting a decent boost? 4 S 8 TH A's with 2+/3++ and 2 Wounds isn't seeming pretty strong to present a decent press if backed up or going in beside Wulfen and / or BC's. They'd have to get boosted a lot for us to care, wulfen just do it better (excepting SB/SS variants but that a different role). That said, they've already given us the list of units in the PDF and TDA is not one of them. So if they did get boosted our WG guard would be left in the dust. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Honestly I agree with the spirit of no doctrines, we dont follow the codex after all. I just dislike the disadvantage inherent to it.Agreed, wolves seem to have those doctrines baked into certain units, which I would prefer. For the new primaries stuff I am really interested. Incursors seem to fit wolves imho, and the impulsor is ace. Really curious to see if suppressors don't get any alt kit Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 well i guess my question is didn't you gripe enough when the delay actually happened. the fact is it happened and the landscape is now what it is. do we need to rehash it for every other factions release until its our turn again. the cycle of jealousy is exhausting. surely there is a better outlet for this. *nobody show him the Black Templar forum what's going on with the black templars and their fans here on B&C is insanely sad and toxic. this community enables it somewhat. we shouldn't act that way. there's no need for us to act that way - to emulate it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 agreed. On the positive side... unless im interpreting it incorrectly, IMPULSOR: put a Melee Primaris wolf lord/Battle leader in it. Drive the vehicle, empty them infront, near another wolf unit in cqc, use heroic intervention? additionally, if Sheild dome operates like The deredeo automantic sheild, giving a invulnerable save to infantry within 6", could be a good way to use a phobos battle leader and sling shot him in with wulfen stone Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 looks like it's decided - i'm doing some reivers next Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RikuEru Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Please let's not become as whiny as some people of CERTAIN OTHER SUBFACTIONS. *cough cough* It's of no use anyway. We will see what the PDF has for us and find out what works well for our lists. And we will make do with that. And if we can't win, we will atleast give our enemies a good fight. That's what Ragnar would do, as Bjorn did before him, as Russ did before HIM, as the Emperor did even before our gene-father! well i guess my question is didn't you gripe enough when the delay actually happened. the fact is it happened and the landscape is now what it is. do we need to rehash it for every other factions release until its our turn again. the cycle of jealousy is exhausting. surely there is a better outlet for this. *points at the ETL Thread* All of you! Swallow all your unhappiness and bitterness with a horn of Mjod and get to painting! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357544-wolves-20-speculation/page/4/#findComment-5361346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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