Pyschic Awakening: Speculation

[Lexington]

Maybe there’ll be something more substantial in the book itself, but from this it really looks like both the Imperium and Chaos are expending some enormous resources on a place with precious little real value to either of them.

[Karhedron]

I could see him returning not as a Psyker, but as a warp focus. He can't throw around fireballs himself, or shoot lightning, but friendly psykers find the tides of the Warp bolstering their efforts, while enemy psykers feel their power draining away. He's not another Magnus, he's the Guide of Humanity, watching over them as their psychic powers develop.

In the HH novels, that is kinda Khan's trick. He is not a psyker per-se buthe is clearly sensitive to the warp and psykers around him seem to find it easier to avoid going overboard. He acts like a stabilising influence.

[Khornestar]

Can’t wait for a ‘massive strike force’ to be 200 guys.

And still have them win with a daring strike at the command ship, or somesuch. Yes.

[Berzul]

 

Can’t wait for a ‘massive strike force’ to be 200 guys.

And still have them win with a daring strike at the command ship, or somesuch. Yes.

 

 

Oh, come on. When has that happened, except every single time... Ok, fair point.

[Khornestar]

Hah! It is hyperbole, but not unrealistic hyperbole... :P

[Lord_Caerolion]

 

I could see him returning not as a Psyker, but as a warp focus. He can't throw around fireballs himself, or shoot lightning, but friendly psykers find the tides of the Warp bolstering their efforts, while enemy psykers feel their power draining away. He's not another Magnus, he's the Guide of Humanity, watching over them as their psychic powers develop.

In the HH novels, that is kinda Khan's trick. He is not a psyker per-se buthe is clearly sensitive to the warp and psykers around him seem to find it easier to avoid going overboard. He acts like a stabilising influence.

 

 

That's right, almost forgot about that. It did stick out in my mind when Malcador talks to Dorn/Sanguinius/Khan about their "gifts" from the Emperor. Sanguinius has his wings and foresight, Dorn has an innate understanding of voidcraft and fortifications, and Khan has... "his questioning nature and his keen mind"... Gee, thanks, Emps, he can talk back in an empire where the Emperor demands almost blind obedience.

 

Edit: spelling

Edited November 12, 2019 by Lord_Caerolion

[MegaVolt87]

No, wolves know there power originates from the warp, but they channel it through planet/s deities as a buffer, a safer, yet less refined way

 

That doesn't seem like a good idea. Hasn't Magnus pulled Prospero/ that EoT planet they have above Fenris transformers style? Surely warp buffering through Fenris over 10K years made this easier. The natives and the planet itself are unstable enough, adding warp energy to the equation as well seems unwise. Is the cup of the Wulfen also failing to stabilize SW as well these days still? Fenris looking like a busted liver of an alcoholic these days with all that going on IMO. 

[RikuEru]

 

 

No, wolves know there power originates from the warp, but they channel it through planet/s deities as a buffer, a safer, yet less refined way

That doesn't seem like a good idea. Hasn't Magnus pulled Prospero/ that EoT planet they have above Fenris transformers style? Surely warp buffering through Fenris over 10K years made this easier. The natives and the planet itself are unstable enough, adding warp energy to the equation as well seems unwise. Is the cup of the Wulfen also failing to stabilize SW as well these days still? Fenris looking like a busted liver of an alcoholic these days with all that going on IMO.

No.

Sortiarius, the Planet of the Sorcerors, was pulled out of the Warp and landed in the Prospero System - not Fenris.

And the Planets of the Fenris System are in various states of disarray and reclamation.

 

Going more in depth regarding the Runepriests:

 

!!!Reminder!!!: I am not arguing that they do not use the Warp! ;D I just -think- they pull their powers from their own little corner of the warp.

Guarded by runes and patterns, it is a purer, but just as wild and dangerous 'pocket' in the Warp.

...they just don't realise that or know that - and that's when we get to the whole hypocrisy surrounding the Runepriests.

 

All sources, including Russ going into a Warp-dream on Fenris to face

the Erlking, a huge Man-Wolf/Wulfen - that, after Russ' realized it is a dark mirror of himself, turned into a version/vision of Russ if he had never been scattered to Fenris and grown up on Terra (less feral visage, orderly hair, grey slick uniform),

in Wolfsbane, show that the Warp is something else on Fenris/when channeled through Fenris.

 

It's Primal, it's primitive, but the Fenrisians still know the 'old ways' of humanity to handle it and respect it with rituals and talismans. (Think about all the mentions of spitting on the ground to avert bad wyrd, for example)

 

They are a superstitious folk.

Just like many people and some cultured still are today.

But the Underverse (=Warp) is part of their legends and sagas. It is ingrained into their rituals and beliefs. You have to appease 'the Spirits', even in your daily life.

You slay a deer, respect its spirit with a blessing, thank the Allfather for the good Hunt, etc.

 

The superstitions, little talismans and ritualistic behaviour allows them to call upon it in a more respectful, safer (to a degree) way.

 

And through that they are only calling upon the primal, raw, 'pure' (in a way), natural powers of the Warp - their prayers and spells not aimed at drawing power from one of the Gods or their domain or anything and then being a victim to the whims of the Chaos Powers.

They call the warp through a lens - that lens just being mentions of Fenris, the Wolves of Legends (Morkai, the Sun Wolf, etc.), the Storms of Fenris, the Allfather, the Wolf King or similiar stuff. - But like the Erlking shows, it is still ridiculously dangerous and deadly to use these powers. You can still dive too deep.

 

(As an example - more Wolfsbane Spoiler: )

Russ' full retinue of his best Rune-Priests die in the Ritual. It is hinted at that they have to hold back or fight back whatever malicious powers come out of the 'Underverse' in waves. And one by one they fall.

Russ himself is pretty worn down after he comes back.

 

Think of it like card decks, reminiscent of the psychic disciplines, you draw from, maybe?

Chaos Sorcerors draw from the flavourful decks of the 4 Chaos Gods, getting more 'special'stuff the more they just draw from one deck. Also they get to draw from the undivided deck.

 

Eldar have their own flavourful dexks, with their runes, their god specific stuff, etc.

 

Imperial Psykers get to draw from Imperial Decks of various styles, all with flavour texts of prayers to the Emperor.

Astartes just get to use more power points for their spells.

 

...and then there are the Rune Priests with their 'Tempestus' Deck.

It's all references to Fenrisian Legends (including the Allfather = Emperor), with Fenrisian Decor and written in Runes, so only they properly understand it. Also the rules refer to and come right from older editions of the game. (...when more of the indigenous human cultures lived closer to nature - and more in balance with the warp)

 

...and i'd love to see that more explored during PA. For example the Stormseers of the White Scars.

Or just in general more psykers appearing among the common populace - and how different planets react to that. (I know most will just burn all those damn witches...)

Edited November 13, 2019 by RikuEru

[Guest Triszin]

Maybe we should split this discussion of into a different one?

 

The hypocrisy of Russ.

Why Khan and scars say what they and wolves do is ok, and different that standard librarius

[Sete]

9 Psychic Awakening books, new edition June, Summer next year.

 

Edit: Spelling.

 

And to add French forums is the source if I translated and understood correctly.

I could be wrong on the books, but I'm sure 9th edition June.

Considering January makes 4 months with SW vs Orks, June will be 9 months since PA 1st book and we might go into the new edition with a new primarch. (If he whispers in the wind are correct)

So 9 books, big event new edition.

Apply salt.

Edited November 21, 2019 by Sete

[Tyriks]

9 Psychic Awakening books, new edition June.

Cya next year.

Where is this coming from?

[DeadFingers]

I've been told that the French rumours have spoken about what lies ahead beyond Volume 4. To quote, "The French guy [...] has provided a rough list of each month up until the spring". But when I asked for specifics, I got no answer back. Anyone know if this is true or just someone pulling my leg?

[Guest Triszin]

9 Psychic Awakening books, new edition June.

Cya next year.

Source for this?

[Slasher956]

Posted in PA3 B&T thread.... anyway I know this is a PA2 Strat ...

 

But why did GW feel the need to put 'Infantry that does not have the Flyer Battlefield Role' in this Strat?

 

I mean Infantry aka boots on the ground, Flyer Battlefield Role... mainly Air Superiority fighters, bombers etc....

 

So will there be changes to some units Battlefield Role?  Gargoyles to Flyers as an example?

[Guest Triszin]

Posted in PA3 B&T thread.... anyway I know this is a PA2 Strat ...

But why did GW feel the need to put 'Infantry that does not have the Flyer Battlefield Role' in this Strat?

I mean Infantry aka boots on the ground, Flyer Battlefield Role... mainly Air Superiority fighters, bombers etc....

So will there be changes to some units Battlefield Role? Gargoyles to Flyers as an example?

Omnis infantry is my guess

[Chaplain Elijah]

I've been told that the French rumours have spoken about what lies ahead beyond Volume 4. To quote, "The French guy [...] has provided a rough list of each month up until the spring". But when I asked for specifics, I got no answer back. Anyone know if this is true or just someone pulling my leg?

 

I'm French and didn't heard about that. What we do know is that :

 

 

Volume 1: Asuryani vs. Drukhari (October 2019)

Volume 2 : Chaos vs BT (end of November)

 

Volume 3: Blood Angels vs. Tyranids (before 2020)

 

Volume 4: Space Wolves vs Ork (inevitably after)

 

Given we have the 2 non-SMCodex First Founding chapters in PA3 and 4 released in rapid succession i assume the last one (Dark Angels) should be in PA5 in January/February.

[DeadFingers]

I'm French and didn't heard about that. What we do know is that :

Volume 1: Asuryani vs. Drukhari (October 2019)

Volume 2 : Chaos vs BT (end of November)

Volume 3: Blood Angels vs. Tyranids (before 2020)

Volume 4: Space Wolves vs Ork (inevitably after)

Given we have the 2 non-SMCodex First Founding chapters in PA3 and 4 released in rapid succession i assume the last one (Dark Angels) should be in PA5 in January/February.

But that's the part we knew already, I'm asking if anything's been said beyond that. By your answer I assume not, but Sete says he's read that there'll be a total of 9 books, so now I don't know who's right?

 

In any case, I wouldn't assume that just because Blood Angels and Wolves are happening one after the other, Dark Angels will be right after. For all we know they could be in the last book and they're the tie-in for the rumoured 9th Edition with the Lion at the helm, who knows. I certainly don't.

Edited November 21, 2019 by DeadFingers

[Sete]

9 Psychic Awakening books, new edition June, Summer next year.

 

Edit: Spelling.

 

And to add French forums is the source if I translated and understood correctly.

I could be wrong on the books, but I'm sure 9th edition June.

Considering January makes 4 months with SW vs Orks, June will be 9 months since PA 1st book and we might go into the new edition with a new primarch. (If he whispers in the wind are correct)

So 9 books, big event new edition.

Apply salt.

Adepticon in March should give us some news, and show some June stuff 3 months before as it is usual per GW modus operandi.

 

Maybe 30th of november will show something about the Next PA events after BA.

[Brother Tyler]

So what we're seeing is speculation...? 

 

Is there an authoritative source? What does that source say? What is the context?

 

It's not a good idea to get people whipped into a frenzy over speculation.

[Sete]

So what we're seeing is speculation...?

 

Is there an authoritative source? What does that source say? What is the context?

 

It's not a good idea to get people whipped into a frenzy over speculation.

Directly from the horse mouth:

Context was comparison between Gathering Storm and PA and return of Guilliman in GS3.

"With the 9 volumes of PA (if V9 in June and one output per month) there is still time."

 

Then another dude that also post low key, but is spot on:

 

V9 in June after PA

 

Then come out of the codices

 

I dont think my translation is wrong.

 

It's a rumour, so it's still speculation, but it's from the dudes that have been spot on so far so, interpret as you will.

 

GW would never update 21 factions or whatever in 5 books.

 

Basically this is a extended Gathering Storm event.(this is my speculation).

 

Despite whatever shortcomings people think I have, I have never posted on purpose misleading/false information.

 

To further add, Valrak received the rumour a while ago, that he shared here, that there was a new edition coming and after PA the object of his obsession would appear, if I remember correctly.

Now Valrak and primarchs is a well know meme. Just connecting the dots here.

Edited November 21, 2019 by Sete

[DeadFingers]

Here's a little something from today's article on Daemon Weapons.

 

What in the Warp could this be?

 

 

Of course it could be them being cheeky and nothing more, but I'm intrigued. The article says "Redacted by the Ordo Xenos", which is very strange to start with since this is about Daemon Weapons. Unless the Weapon is alien in origin. The hilt is very clearly a Chaos star, and the crossguard seems Slaaneshi in nature with those barely visible claws, while the blade itself seems jagged and twisted, and it's hard to tell, but doesn't look like it has a clear edge to it.

 

So Ordo Xenos, Daemon Weapon, Slaaneshi influences, twisted, jagged blade... Fulgrim's Anathame, maybe?

 

Or fetching a bit farther, it's the fifth Crone Sword and Slaanesh's had some fun with it, but I think the Anathame is more plausible.

Edited November 21, 2019 by DeadFingers

[Guest]

http://imgur.com/a/LmoseBF

 

Well I tried to remove as much of the market as possible. I have no idea what it is still. Time to get the lore egg heads in here!

[Doctor Perils]

So Ordo Xenos, Daemon Weapon, Slaaneshi influences, twisted, jagged blade... Fulgrim's Anathame, maybe?

 

Or fetching a bit farther, it's the fifth Crone Sword and Slaanesh's had some fun with it, but I think the Anathame is more plausible.

Of course, the Laer Blade is also Xenos in origin, and after Drachnyen is probably the most famous Daemon Weapon...

[DeadFingers]

Of course, the Laer Blade is also Xenos in origin, and after Drachnyen is probably the most famous Daemon Weapon...

True, but that one's pretty clean and elegant, as opposed to this jagged, spiky and clawed mystery sword. Also Lucius still has that one, doesn't he?

[Marshal Loss]

We don't know that Fulgrim still possesses the anathame, which was - the last time we saw it - shaved down to the length of a gladius and in the presence of Eidolon, not to mention the fact that it didn't look anything like this (flint blade, don't forget). He hasn't used it in any of his appearances as a Daemon Primarch. Lucius does still possess the Laeran blade. Could be one of Fulgrim's 3x (4x depending on the source) swords but this is just baseless speculation

Edited November 21, 2019 by Marshal Loss