Ishagu Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 What makes you say that Inceptors are Assault Marines? They are more similar to Deathwing Knights. Similar profile and weapons - focused on plasma firepower. Assault Marines are nothing alike beyond the jump pack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5380694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Thematically, not how they play on the game. The jumppack, them wearing the assault symbol, etc. And perhaps "closest equivalent" (That is to say still not very) would have been a better term. In truth Primaris still dont have assault marines Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5380697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 That's what makes Primaris quite exciting. The units aren't like for like with the classic line. The Inceptors perform more like flying bikers than an assault unit. Suppressors are a unique idea. The Raven and Deathwing could be re-invented with new units that aren't upscaled copies of old ones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5380699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Being able to bring in completely new things like Surpressors is exciting. Them lacking assault marines isn't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5380701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Does anyone pine for Assault Marines? I'd definitely like to see a fast moving assault unit of some kind, but I'd prefer something more similar to the Custodes jet bikes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5380706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Ask any and all chapters that place their identity mainly on the close combat armed marines if they want Primaris assault marines or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5380710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkaniss Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Does anyone pine for Assault Marines? You can pry Assault Marines from my cold, dead fingers I'll never be content without them. That and Terminators - without these equivilents I don't see myself ever converting to the Primaris side. If the new Primaris 'Terminators' successfully update and enlarge the TDA I know and love then I just might consider it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5380713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 My thoughts on Terminator + primaris = exterminatus armor. 2+ base save 3+ invulnerable 5+ mortal wound save. S6, t6. Probably a min squad of 3, Max of 6. Can't be transported even by a repulsor, unless it counts as 3 models? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5380774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Sounds like a christmas wish list of features. Also negates half of my chapter tactic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5380781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermintide Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Supposing they do eventually replace old marines entirely, there will have to be some kind of assault marine equivalent. Otherwise what becomes of units like Death Company? Sanguinary Guard? Who knows. Maybe they will drastically re-write Blood Angels into something different. But I think it's far more likely we'll just see a jump pack Primaris at some stage. I don't think they intend to just squat half the range of BA, DA, GK etc in the transition, they're going to make equivalents eventually. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5380904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 My thoughts on Terminator + primaris = exterminatus armor. 2+ base save 3+ invulnerable 5+ mortal wound save. S6, t6. Probably a min squad of 3, Max of 6. Can't be transported even by a repulsor, unless it counts as 3 models? Yeah, no. I'd love Terminators to be such monsters but this is super unrealistic. No way GW is making Terminators better than Custodes, Primaris or not. Custodes already have: 2+ save 5+ invul (3+ with shield) 6+ FnP against mortal wounds in the psychic phase S5, T5 So if GW is going to give us Primaris Terminators it'll be something between Aggressors and the above. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5380911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Supposing they do eventually replace old marines entirely, there will have to be some kind of assault marine equivalent. Otherwise what becomes of units like Death Company? Sanguinary Guard? Who knows. Maybe they will drastically re-write Blood Angels into something different. But I think it's far more likely we'll just see a jump pack Primaris at some stage. I don't think they intend to just squat half the range of BA, DA, GK etc in the transition, they're going to make equivalents eventually. Sanguine gaurd could be it's own primaris kit, same as death company. I assume, eventually in wave 3 or 4 ( 2-3 years) there will be atleast 1 chapter specific primaris unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5380965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Probably not, they wouldnt give Space Wolves Intercessors and Hellblasters and Reivers if they intend to just come back later and give them back Space Wolf unique units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5380969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted September 3, 2019 Author Share Posted September 3, 2019 Probably not, they wouldnt give Space Wolves Intercessors and Hellblasters and Reivers if they intend to just come back later and give them back Space Wolf unique units.Hellblasters can easilly just be Long Fangs under another name. Likely we'll see more differences shake out on the long run, even if they don't show in the short run. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5380974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Probably not, they wouldnt give Space Wolves Intercessors and Hellblasters and Reivers if they intend to just come back later and give them back Space Wolf unique units.Hellblasters can easilly just be Long Fangs under another name. Likely we'll see more differences shake out on the long run, even if they don't show in the short run. I mean, long fangs are already just Devastators, but it seems odd they didnt just give the Space Wolf units the old names. It seems like they really want to move away from that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5380978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 missed opportunity then to include all chapters in codex SM and then give everyone a supplement Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5380982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 missed opportunity then to include all chapters in codex SM and then give everyone a supplement Exactly. Seems counter intuitive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5380984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 missed opportunity then to include all chapters in codex SM and then give everyone a supplement I think they should have done this for Blood Angels for sure. We've seen now that the supplements are very respectful of the chapters. DA and SW probably deserve their own books, same as TS and DG, as they have a lot more unique models and wargear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5380985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted September 3, 2019 Author Share Posted September 3, 2019 missed opportunity then to include all chapters in codex SM and then give everyone a supplementConsidering the he'll raised when they put Trmplars into the book (and the desire still for said Templars to have their own proper book) I think the studio came to the conclusion that you can't shove the genie back in the bottle. I'd assume that in the long run they may use this as an opportunity to make those other chapters have a wider range of differences, even of they don't have very many right now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5381012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 The community will never be happy no matter what GW do lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5381013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermintide Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 missed opportunity then to include all chapters in codex SM and then give everyone a supplement I think they should have done this for Blood Angels for sure. We've seen now that the supplements are very respectful of the chapters. DA and SW probably deserve their own books, same as TS and DG, as they have a lot more unique models and wargear. They all have roughly the same amount of unique units. DA have mostly characters and a couple of flyers. BA have mostly characters and their own Predator. Space Wolves have wolves. Most of them are variations on a vanilla marine unit. I won't be surprised if in future, however, we see the intercessor entry in Codex: Space Wolves suddenly change to Grey Huntercessors, with a stat line for Wolf Guard Gravis Pack Leader. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5381019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haywire Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Given the current trend, I can see the Space Wolves losing their Long Fangs as a Primaris unit and instead getting Frostblasters, Helfrostblasters or Wolfblasters as a Space Wolf variant of the Hellblasters. One or another. An updated Sanguinary Guard, however, I can totally see coming with Primaris Dante in much the same way as the Victrix Guard come with Calgar. Edit: Mistyped a word. Oops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5381021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 I think that once the range is generally complete with units for all the typical roles we'll start to see some more chapter unique stuff. Ultras already have the Victrix Honour Guard Black Templars could easily get a Primaris Crusader squad all armed with chainswords and auto bolt rifles. Blood Angels could get a jump pack unit, Dark Angels could get some veteran Gravis, Space Wolves some sort of wolfy thing (is, that what SW fans want? lol) . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5381023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted September 3, 2019 Author Share Posted September 3, 2019 Given the current trend, I can see the Space Wolves losing their Long Fangs as a Primaris unit and instead getting Frostblasters, Helfrostblasters or Wolfblasters as a Space Wolf variant of the Hellblasters. One or another. An updated Sanguinary Guard, however, I can totally see coming with Primaris Dante in much the same way as the Victrix Guard come with Calgar. Edit: Mistyped a word. Oops. If Wolfblasters are missile launchers that shoot wolves I'll be all for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5381030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermintide Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 I'm 50/50 on whether Space Wolves fans would be happier if they got rid of every single fang and claw in the range, or if they just dropped all pretence of restraint and made them straight up furries in power armour. It would be worth it just to watch half the community erupt in rabid, frothing nerd rage when it turns out furries have been infiltrating 40k this entire time like a genestealer cult. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357729-on-primaris-and-the-future-of-40k/page/10/#findComment-5381039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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