Runic Awakening: Speculation

[Runefyre]

The early terran recruits were pre-selected as the most violent examples of their particular culture, with even an emphasis on a great amount of variety between initiates. It wasn't simply the ingestion of the geneseed that made them berserkers. 

 

I think it's at least plausible that a lost company could replenish their numbers with non-fenrisian recruits, albeit at a terrible induction rate.

 

This would become an issue if successor chapters became a thing, that is can the already strained population of Fenris support successor chapters. 

[Bryan Blaire]

If the genetic adjustment of the Fenrisians is what helps Russ's gene-seed lineage take hold better, then Cawl might simply have programmed that adjustment into the new Magnificat implant or something else anyway, or the Magnificat simply stabilizes the gene-seed similarly to how Russ's own gene-wrought modifications were stable - it is, after all, a part of the Primarch organ reproduced.

 

Successors of Primaris origin (which you know they are going to be) just aren't as hard to explain when you have part of a Primarch organ:

“In truth, the magnificat is but half of the true, dual-valve immortis gland (the so called God-Maker) that the Emperor created for his Primarchs.”

[Guest]

The early terran recruits were pre-selected as the most violent examples of their particular culture, with even an emphasis on a great amount of variety between initiates. It wasn't simply the ingestion of the geneseed that made them berserkers. 

 

I think it's at least plausible that a lost company could replenish their numbers with non-fenrisian recruits, albeit at a terrible induction rate.

 

This would become an issue if successor chapters became a thing, that is can the already strained population of Fenris support successor chapters. 

 

 

 We know the Canus Helix is required to tame the geneseed its been stated so many times over. So we run into 3 choices. GW retcons the Canus Helix is essential to the SW's taming. GW retcons the Fenrisians are only compatable with the Canus Helix. GW retcons Fenris population limits and it is much larger than known. That is the only way a Lost Company or a successor chapter can survive and grow.

[RikuEru]

Please, please, brothers of the Fang, do not become stubborn Long Fangs on this issue...

We already have enough Negativity in the wider B&C regarding topics such as these.

 

First:

Fenris (just like Baal and other Planets) supplied a LEGION.

The Fang is a Bastion far too big for a single Chapter to hold.

 

Techmarines if all Chapters undertake a pilgrimage to Mars.

If that is feasible, why wouldn't it be feasible for Successor Initiates - that are viable and have proven themselves worthy - to be shipped to Fenris to undergo the last step in their trials there? Drink from the Cup, undergo the last test, then be inducted into the Vlka (no matter the Chapter) as a Son of Russ.

 

"You were born under different stars than Fenris' own - And you shall die under different stars than your own. But your sagas and legends will forever be honored on Fenris, long after you are gone.

Now, Return to your Brothers as a Son of Russ and spread the Murdermake with them!"

-Ulrik the Slayer, sometime M42, probably...

 

If Terran Legionaires worked with the Canis Helix - then surely other populations will do so too.

Maybe Cawl's minions just have to find Worlds with a similiar genetic make-up like Fenris.

Maybe worlds where Fenrisian Kjaerls, which were stationed in Space Wolves Fortresses and bases, mixed into the general population over millenia, maybe even since the Heresy? (The other planets in the Fenris System, Garm, etc.)

 

Or did the Inquisition know of Cawl and his project? Were the Fenrisians that were screened by the Inquisition after the Wrath of Magnus killed? ...or shipped off? Originally the Inquisition might have wanted to keep them as ransom towards the unruly Space Wolves - but maybe now thdy can be used as leverage to force them into a tense cooperation?

 

Maybe Guilliman wasn't the only Primarch involved in Cawl's Project. Russ surely would have wanted his future Sons to be even better. Did he secretly make sure other planets would be spliced with a sufficient influx of Fenrisians into their genepools?

Or even if he wasn't involved in the Primaris Project, maybe he saw it necessary to ensure that the Space Wolves can grow and prosper, even if Fenris may someday fall? So he made sure there were other feral and tribalistic populations to recruit from?

 

It could have been part of a vision he saw... or maybe just a logical conclusion of his own doings during the Scouring!? He, the Lion and the other Primarchs made sure the traitor homeworlds were razed to the ground. The traitors could try to do the same with Fenris (see: Battle of the Fang, Wrath of Magnus), so what if he spreads the Fenrisian gene heritage?

(Think about one of the main points in Marvel's Thor Ragnarok [hah!]: Asgard isn't a place. It's not the Kingdom, the City proper or the ancient castle/palace. It's its people - no matter where they may end up in the cosmos.)

 

Or maybe it was one of the first steps in the "To-Do-List" Leman Russ undertook when he departed?

...and WHO ARE YOU TO DOUBT THE WOLF KING!? ;D

 

 

Just some random ideas. There are surely other hooks in the lore you could use.

[Guest]

Techmarines if all Chapters undertake a pilgrimage to Mars.

If that is feasible, why wouldn't it be feasible for Successor Initiates - that are viable and have proven themselves worthy - to be shipped to Fenris to undergo the last step in their trials there? Drink from the Cup, undergo the last test, then be inducted into the Vlka (no matter the Chapter) as a Son of Russ.

 

Because you only have maybe 2 or 3 techmarines per chapter every few years, not taking hordes of initiates to supply multiple chapter. The logistics are also hugely complicated with issues. What if they are in Nihilus, or across the Galaxy, a ship lost in warp could mean the end of a dire chapter. There's a reason why chapter recruit and train locally.

 

If Terran Legionaires worked with the Canis Helix - then surely other populations will do so too.

 

Terran marines did not have the helix and did not suffer from the curse. It was made after the founding of Russ and then they recruited solely from Fenris.

 

Or did the Inquisition know of Cawl and his project? Were the Fenrisians that were screened by the Inquisition after the Wrath of Magnus killed? ...or shipped off? Originally the Inquisition might have wanted to keep them as ransom towards the unruly Space Wolves - but maybe now thdy can be used as leverage to force them into a tense cooperation?

 

It was hinted Cawl was stealing recruits from Fenris for a long time. I also doubt the Inquisition would approve of a eccentric magos that had alien brains part of him. Also we know that the SW are overseeing the culling.

 

Maybe Guilliman wasn't the only Primarch involved in Cawl's Project. Russ surely would have wanted his future Sons to be even better. Did he secretly make sure other planets would be spliced with a sufficient influx of Fenrisians into their genepools?

Or even if he wasn't involved in the Primaris Project, maybe he saw it necessary to ensure that the Space Wolves can grow and prosper, even if Fenris may someday fall? So he made sure there were other feral and tribalistic populations to recruit from?

 

I thought Guilliman started the Primaris project when he was the only Primarch left. Shortly before he got his tattoo from Fulgrim, as he she never seen the primaris before.

[Karhedron]

I thought Guilliman started the Primaris project when he was the only Primarch left. Shortly before he got his tattoo from Fulgrim, as he she never seen the primaris before.

Guilliman was not the last loyalist Primarch to fall after the end of the Heresy. His encounter with Fulgrim was only 100 years after the Seiege of Terra. Russ didn't vanish until 197 years after the Siege. Rogal Dorn was the last living loyalist Primarch IIRC and was presumed killed stalling the 1st Black Crusade around 500 years after the Siege.

 

Vulkan returned briefly some 1500 years later during the Battle of the Beast. But that was an exception and he didn't take much part in the structure or organisation of the Imperium.

[Dark Shepherd]

BA get litanies in their book but not new psychic powers, just for hints as to what we might get

[Guest]

 

I thought Guilliman started the Primaris project when he was the only Primarch left. Shortly before he got his tattoo from Fulgrim, as he she never seen the primaris before.

Guilliman was not the last loyalist Primarch to fall after the end of the Heresy. His encounter with Fulgrim was only 100 years after the Seiege of Terra. Russ didn't vanish until 197 years after the Siege. Rogal Dorn was the last living loyalist Primarch IIRC and was presumed killed stalling the 1st Black Crusade around 500 years after the Siege.Vulkan returned briefly some 1500 years later during the Battle of the Beast. But that was an exception and he didn't take much part in the structure or organisation of the Imperium.

Well if Russ and the other Primarchs were in on it, then Guilliman should have just said "Your father's agreed to it", would have killed much resistance in many chapters. More so than the Custodes enforcing it.

 

Vulkan could have used them in The Beast. Point is GW has a bunch of lore plot holes with the primaris especially the SWs. They are going to have to retcon something to make it fit.

Edited November 21, 2019 by Jarl Caldersson

[Bryan Blaire]

There’re definitely plot holes currently - my wish is that GW would actually use some of them and a few of the other “weird” things creatively to ‘retcon’ Primaris development into the storyline overall. There’s space for them to do it, but it may take some rounding of a square hole to get that Primaris cylinder to slide on through.

 

(I’m trying to do that a bit with my Primaris from the Drakeslayers - have a few that were some of those original “collected from Fenris” recruits, some that are the Rubicon’ed guys, and some that are new out of the current crop of recruits - hopefully their stories will be somewhat acceptable.)

[Wispy]

I would love Guilliman swooping in and rescuing the Fenrisians arrested in Wrath of Magnus from the Inquisition chopping block and turning them into Primaris.

[Wolf Guard Dan]

Those taken were the ones exposed to demons but not necessarily corrupted by them? Am I remembering that correctly?

 

If not corrupted they would be good recruits for a successor chapter that is to patrol the eye of terror...

[Guest]

The Inquisition is under the heavy eyes of Ulrik and Grimnar, I doubt the Inquisition is sneaking any healthy Fenrisians away. Those that are filled are mutated and changed by the warp. However GW could write Ulrik and Grimnar incompetent and the Inquisition doing such a thing.

[Wispy]

it's entirely within the inquisitions dickishness to declare perfectly fine fenrisians as purge-targets for even having knowledge of chaos or battlibg them. see: 1st War of Armageddon.

[Wolf Lord Duregar]

https://youtu.be/GuMUAoQF6ZI

 

I hope this is true and we get proper SPace Wolves Intercessors with options like Grey Hunters.... For weapons.

The Primaris Ragnar and the return of Russ? ;)

[Guest Triszin]

interesting bit in that.

 

primaris Cqc, will end up being alternate cqc sprues swapped with 1 sprue in most of the range. intercessor -ranged sprue, + melee sprue

[Dark Shepherd]

Calling BS on it. As others have said its confusing PA4 rumours with 9th ed rumours

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

I actually dont know why they couldn't have both a shared PA book and be the 9th starter set. But I do agree that at first glance it appears to be a confusion of the 2 events.

[Guest Triszin]

most rumors tend to have half truths.

 

and anything further out than 3 months is 10% at best.

 

The only way I see PA4 having a boxset, is if it has not just 2 new characters, but 2 new troop choices.

 

ragnar

cqc primaris

current primaris

 

ork mega boss

skarr boyz

current orks

 

I could very well see people seeing rumors of orks V wolves box and they put it together with PA4. but the truth could be the boxset is summer release, w/ ghaz and others.

while PA4 just introduces ragnar

[Bryan Blaire]

Triszin, that’s exactly my thoughts on the situation - a very confused discussion of two different rumors.

 

PA4 may be Wolves vs Orks, with little to no model support (maybe a new Ragnar, new Ghaz).

 

Then in the summer, to introduce 8th Edition 2.0, a box set with CC Primaris vs. new Orks is released, and the Primaris models happen to be painted on the box as Space Wolves, and maybe harken back to PA4, but the two items aren’t tightly related and there’s nothing Wolf specific about the Primaris.

[Dark Shepherd]

I actually dont know why they couldn't have both a shared PA book and be the 9th starter set. But I do agree that at first glance it appears to be a confusion of the 2 events.

Double dipping/re marketing in a short space of time

 

Shadowspear was first chaos v marines they did since Dark Imperium, and Death Guard in DI (new range) was the only non generic offering there

[Wispy]

Psychic Awakening is Gathering Storm. Hero models support the camapigns, box set like Dark Imperium kicks off new edition.

[Guest]

Wasn't 8th launched in summer and gathering storms in spring?

[Wispy]

Yes. edit: there was a build up with the gathering storm stuff, through out the Winter to the announce in Summer.

 

8th was showcased at Warhammerfest in Coventry the Summer of 2017. i know, i was there presenting some Sega stuff as part of a panel.

Edited November 23, 2019 by Wispy

[Dark Shepherd]

From WC article on PA3

 

New and updated datasheets give your Blood Angels access to extra army rules, Vanguard units, Stratagems, psychic powers, Litanies and more!

 

I think the psychic powers are just the general marine ones eg Phobos that non codex also have access to

[Wispy]

not mentioned in the Chapter Approved article at all... gotta expect we have something significant forthcoming.