Psychic Awakening 2 rumours

[Sword Brother Adelard]

I've now listened to the whole of Winters' podcast, I don't trust him on using IF rules, because he got it wrong. Essentially saying we use their chapter trait, but we don't. So ignore for now.

[Sete]

Hmm, some cool stuff, EC has skilful party but we can use chapter Champion.

 

So what's the deal with the vigilus sword Bros?

[Deadman Wade]

There's a stratagem that allows advance and charge. With that disembarking from Land Raider gives 3" disembark + 6" move + D6 advance + 2D6 rerollable charge. Awesome.

Grimaldus and EC are must-have, IMO, Helbrecht less so, but still a good choice.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

I've just looked at GMG'd video. He actually shows us the pages from the book.

 

According to the page, we get our abilities if everything on the army is BLACK TEMPLARS or UNALIGNED.

 

Seeing as being an IF successor changes every IMPERIAL FISTS keyword to BLACK TEMPLARS, I think we are CURRENTLY in a zone of cheesiness...

 

(I await the FAQ nerfhammer...)

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Even the Cenos got better? Apparently they improve our MW FNP to 4+?

[Sete]

Beside the rules, no new artwork, fluff is almost non existant, same old units used for army shots.

I will stand by my decision of not buying this book.

[Ciler]

Even the Cenos got better? Apparently they improve our MW FNP to 4+?

They're different. No more morale immunity but yes a boost to 4+ save on MW.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Bad news. Bad bad news.

 

I think they killed the faux-Devi squad. They've placed restrictions on how many things you can take from the Special or Heavy list depending on how many models are in the squad.

[Ciler]

Bad news. Bad bad news.

 

I think they killed the faux-Devi squad. They've placed restrictions on how many things you can take from the Special or Heavy list depending on how many models are in the squad.

Yes I'm just seeing that. It's 1 melee OR heavy OR special weapon if the squad is < 10 men, and special AND (weapon OR heavy) if >= 10 men.

[Marshal Valkenhayn]

5+ FNP, advance and charge, a 4+ invuln, and a tasty series of Grimaldus buffs. I also think Helbrecht gets the +1 to advance and charge warlord trait, basically insuring that he is now king of drop pod assaults forever more. Those Sword Brother lists we all started playing with after our special detachment dropped are going to come back in a big way.

 

One question though. Do Crusader Squads have the scout keyword? I'm trying to figure out when we'd actually use that scout strat. Also, did our servators get upgraded to not be targetable by shooting?

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Gutting.

 

Did anyone see if points had changed?

 

Edit: no. But they are objectively better than tactical I suppose.

[Marshal Vespasian]

So the pistols strat is WAY better than Winters said. There is enough good stuff here I feel. And with the EC being buffed our hero Hhammer is SCARY, man.

I am pretty content with this. We are not OP, but it's very much workable and gives us a push towards melee, which is what I hoped for for this supplement.

I am unsure, wether I want to use an LRC now or not actually. I dont think that I HAVE to get one right now atleast.

 

The run shoot charge strat: do you think itll work when coming from a pod? Or wont it, because you arrive at the end of the movement Phase?

 

 

Loosing faux devis kind of sucks, but also makes me more likely to just throw a squad of intercessors in there to replace one of them.

[Banjulhu]

I'm annoyed at the crusader change but to be honest I expected it to happen two codex releases ago.

[Marshal Valkenhayn]

You can't advance out of a pod regardless, you can always shoot and charge after.

[Kyliadan]

So the pistols strat is WAY better than Winters said. There is enough good stuff here I feel. And with the EC being buffed our hero Hhammer is SCARY, man.

I am pretty content with this. We are not OP, but it's very much workable and gives us a push towards melee, which is what I hoped for for this supplement.

I am unsure, wether I want to use an LRC now or not actually. I dont think that I HAVE to get one right now atleast.

 

The run shoot charge strat: do you think itll work when coming from a pod? Or wont it, because you arrive at the end of the movement Phase?

It won't work because it applies to a unit advancing, which you cannot do out of the pod.

[Sete]

Does it work with an Impulsor?

[Sword Brother Adelard]

I'm annoyed at the crusader change but to be honest I expected it to happen two codex releases ago.

I'm rather peeved, MSU spec, combi, heavy units were a really good way to fill battalions with a fire support troop unit. More bolter scouts may be the answer. (Which is a right pain for me, as I only use the metal sculpts, and the bolter two are really expensive in comparison!)

[Marshal Vespasian]

Okay so as I expected.

Do we think that 16 crusaders/8 Termies coming from a lrc are worth it now? For the points? If utilizing that strat, accompanying characters wont be able to come with them for auras and so on. On the other hand a jumping char with Helm will move 12'',have a 9'' aura and give them assault Phase.

[Acebaur]

 

I'm annoyed at the crusader change but to be honest I expected it to happen two codex releases ago.

I'm rather peeved, MSU spec, combi, heavy units were a really good way to fill battalions with a fire support troop unit. More bolter scouts may be the answer. (Which is a right pain for me, as I only use the metal sculpts, and the bolter two are really expensive in comparison!)

It's a bummer but not the end of the world

[Marshal Vespasian]

If you want Bolter shots take primaris. Better bolters and cheaper than a kitted out faux debi squad, also more durable and can do something in cc.

[Ciler]

Does it work with an Impulsor?

It should, same as a LRC, because the unit's always on the table, not coming from reserve.

 

I've been through the rule part of the supplement, and there's nothing that says we can't avail of IF stuff as a successor chapter. On the other hand page 42 explicitly states that we are an IF successor.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

If we come out of this with the IF buffs (their relic banner in particular would be SWEET) AND all of this. I think we've done pretty well.

 

(My MSU annoyance aside)

[Deadman Wade]

Okay so as I expected.

Do we think that 16 crusaders/8 Termies coming from a lrc are worth it now? For the points? If utilizing that strat, accompanying characters wont be able to come with them for auras and so on. On the other hand a jumping char with Helm will move 12'',have a 9'' aura and give them assault Phase.

Without supporting character (ideally, Helbrecht) it's not really cost-effective, I think, and very CP-intensive. Helbrecth will give so much bonuses to assault terminators (for both LCs and THs), that it's hard to justify not taking him in a list that focuses on LR assault.

[Ciler]

If you want Bolter shots take primaris. Better bolters and cheaper than a kitted out faux debi squad, also more durable and can do something in cc.

Primaris can actually be ridiculously good in CC.

Defauts 2A, make them veterans (vigilus) 3A, charge 4A, the right litany 5A...

[Crimson cowboy]

Hmm, some cool stuff, EC has skilful party but we can use chapter Champion.

 

So what's the deal with the vigilus sword Bros?

I could be wrong but on SEO vid I think he said since we have EC we don’t get to take CC