Psychic Awakening: The Ritual of the Damned

[Archaeinox]

Yeah im not buying TWO strats per cult.

 

I like those powers tho.... If true.

[Sawtooth]

So if that rumor is true, to get this stuff I can't run Tzeentch Daemons?

[Ahzek451]

If its worded like the marines....then yes. Which is kindof annoying. I was really hoping GW would unify things bases on gods. As long as everyone has the Tzeentch keyword.

[Archaeinox]

If so im gonna dump an entire battalion of Tz but for new fluffy content, suuuure

[Drudge Dreadnought]

Sounds great to me. Hopefully the powers will be good enough that we can really get up to some shenanigans. I've been saying 1ksons needs that +1dmg strat for years.

[Zodd1888]

Too early to judge, but I'm not a big fan of how that's set-up. Traits that apply only to psykers doesn't help the rest of the army, and as others have these WC amounts aren't in-line with other factions.

 

Can't judge till the full package, but at least we may see a +1 to damage as we've wanted.

[Ahzek451]

As much as I hoped for a second trait to affect non psyker units(like most of you), I'm really hoping that maybe, through these new abilities, those other units will be amplified.

[BoomWolf]

Do note, its just rumors, and near identical to things that were wishlisted or written as wild guesses by people (myself included)

 

And if true, it means our non-psykers STILL have technically no chapter tactics. CSM may not effect tanks, but ours do not even effect helbrutes, or our own unique goats and vortex beasts.

 

I'd take it with a HEAVY doze of salt.

[Archaeinox]

Warhammer Community will likely share more PA stuff next week.. They have some website stuff going on but no content just names & dates.

 

Jan 13: The Tau short story .pdf I was talking about elsewhere goes up

Jan 14: Thousand Sons 

Jan 15: Dark Angels

 

I suspect these will be previews although this is nothing really enlightening, we've all guessed that this will happen like this anyway.

Edited January 10, 2020 by Archaeinox

[WarriorFish]

Curious to read, I'm not sure if it's not feeling right directly or more because I don't want it to be right... Making things complicated is a bit against the grain in 8th and I'd rather not have to deal with that anyway, and more importantly I'd like overall improvements rather than bumping up characters (which always feels cheap regardless of merit to the army as a whole).

 

I'd really hope for a "daemons of the same god" clause for the army bonus too as it'd be quite rubbish otherwise. On the positive side I suppose it'd save me money and time not getting any Tzeentch daemons to add to my collection Let's see what happens and cross our fingers, maybe make the odd offering to Tzeentch...

[Archaeinox]

We can offer admins up as tribute, right?

 

Or, like, is that how we get warnings? 

 

I'm just doing what's been suggested, here.

Edited January 10, 2020 by Archaeinox

[Special Officer Doofy]

I'm for one indifferent about the mono bonus making it so we can't take daemons (unless summoned). When the loyalist codex and supplements dropped with the doctrines and super doctrines some loyalist people I know (and some on here) had this attitude towards chaos players who were shocked at the codex creep and mono buff of "quit complaining, you can just soup daemons (plaguebearers) and other Legions"... But I don't want to play like that. I want to play my legion similar to loyalist with being rewarded for it and being competitive while not being a 3 God worshipping multiple legion warband.

 

But I do feel bad for people who have heavily invested into daemons as well to go with the big four cult Legions. Hopefully future improvements to summoning will make it more viable.

Edited January 10, 2020 by Putrid Choir

[Special Officer Doofy]

Yeah im not buying TWO strats per cult.

 

I like those powers tho.... If true.

Didn't blood angels get 23 strats with their PA update? I doubt chaos will get the love like loyalist but that could give two per with a couple generic. I have no idea what's going to happen but the numbers are at least there haha.

[Archaeinox]

Maybe so but this book has 3 factions and the way theyve stopped hyping it tells me content will be thin lol

[Sawtooth]

What would be a reasonable trait to give army-wide that affects Rubrics? +1 to all invulnerable saves or 6+ if it doesn't have one?

[Archaeinox]

if it just applied to All is Dust +1 invul would be reasonable. It would mean that putting Weaver of Fates on even an MSU Rubric Marines squad would have value.

 

I will be absolutely shocked to receive any sort of army wide benefit beyond that leak that mentions dedicating psykers to cults..

Edited January 11, 2020 by Archaeinox

[Skerr]

That is a great fit for us but maybe a bit uninspired imo. I mean, I'd take it. But in combo with other great new mechanics it could be the cherry on top.

 

It would make the invuln buff spell less viable and it would be cool to replace it with shenanigans like the unit location swap rumor spell. I used to pull that with my Necrons and my buddies always fell for it. Good times and very Tzeentch.

Edited January 11, 2020 by Skerr

[Archaeinox]

I've already wiped my mind of any hope for anything better/more than that supposed leak list of what the cults do for psykers. Even that list is pushing it, but in the fact that it ONLY affects psykers, well, I wouldn't put that past gw at all. 

 

My #1 thing is that while I know playtesters are probably expected to 'talk up' a product, I still keep going back mentally to Ep. 198 of Independent Characters podcast.. 1h 15m if you haven't heard it. The guy is looking forward to all the character the new TS rules will let him play around with. He said that in particular, he cant wait to try all that out more.

 

He's also known as a passionate thousand sons narrative player so if he is excited, I can be as well. Tuesday will probably be a great day..

Edited January 11, 2020 by Archaeinox

[Prot]

I know I said it before but Tzeentch Daemons should really be treated like Inquisition is for loyalists. I would expect the same of Khorne Daemons in a World Eater book and so on.

 

I really haven’t used Tzeentch Daemons beyond summoning since 7 th. So it likely won’t affect me either way, I’m just speaking entirely from a background perspective.

 

I don’t really care what Loyalist marines think of soup. I played Ultra for a long time and in the current era there’s almost no need for them to soup and when they do it’s very potent anyway. GW has kind of done a 180 on that idea and I’m hoping they’re finally seeing how impossible it is to balance wide open, multi faction armies.

 

Truthfully, I am sick to death of reading about the immense success of a “Thousand Sons” tournament list that features Ahriman, a pair if DPs and then a pile of Plaguebearers.

 

I’ve come to the reluctant belief that if the codex can’t stand on its own then get rid of it. We’ll all just play Ahriman and Nurgle, or Magnus and Morty. And we can just pretend goats and the Mutalith never existed.

 

That rant aside I think this is the only shot we have of seeing my dream come true....unless the rumour of 9 th Ed in summer 2020 is true).

 

My belief is that GW CAN make it possible if some/all of the following happen:

 

- Smite / Eldar style swapping ( I predicted this a few pages ago)

- let’s get some of the ( very good) Master of Pissession Powers in there.

 

- New box set ala Eldar / Dark Eldar. Give us that Psychic Dread, ( or the rules for one). Other factions have it, we’ve been begging for months/years. And make it a character. Or give us a new hybrid unit of loyalist psychic marines gathered by Magnus’ sanctuary/ Rituals indicated in the PA fluff.

 

- Also as indicated ( and this opens a ton of possibilities) if Magnus is remoulding Prospero into a war machine, this could give us recycled units which are new to us; Psychic Disco Lords. Venomcrawlers, Psychic Dreads, Psychic Possessed. Etc. It’s would be a win/win for existing models ported into Thousand Sons with a unique twist. Even Mutilators, the much maligned ugly brother to the Oblits could be a high powered “Spawn” or “failed Sorcs” as I call them. Finally the daeminic war factories could involve really interesting Chaos Knight modifications and models. ( unless the model line expands I wouldn’t have Chaos Knights break the Legion Trait)

 

- A reversal of the Rubric. As I mentioned we had that storyline thread hanging there a long time thanks to Ynnari. This could be an elite “Warlock Conclave” This could even mean a new named character, or 3. This is where I think the Exalted Sorc box could really sell.

 

- Strats that make power(s) immune to cancelling. (Word Bearers got it).

- our own version of life from death which seems very fitting right about now.

 

That’s all I want! Wouldn’t that be easy?!

Edited January 11, 2020 by Prot

[Dolchiate Remembrancer]

I know I said it before but Tzeentch Daemons should really be treated like Inquisition is for loyalists. I would expect the same of Khorne Daemons in a World Eater book and so on.

 

I really haven’t used Tzeentch Daemons beyond summoning since 7 th. So it likely won’t affect me either way, I’m just speaking entirely from a background perspective.

 

I don’t really care what Loyalist marines think of soup. I played Ultra for a long time and in the current era there’s almost no need for them to soup and when they do it’s very potent anyway. GW has kind of done a 180 on that idea and I’m hoping they’re finally seeing how impossible it is to balance wide open, multi faction armies.

 

Truthfully, I am sick to death of reading about the immense success of a “Thousand Sons” tournament list that features Ahriman, a pair if DPs and then a pile of Plaguebearers.

 

I’ve come to the reluctant belief that if the codex can’t stand on its own then get rid of it. We’ll all just play Ahriman and Nurgle, or Magnus and Morty. And we can just pretend goats and the Mutalith never existed.

 

That rant aside I think this is the only shot we have of seeing my dream come true....unless the rumour of 9 th Ed in summer 2020 is true).

 

My belief is that GW CAN make it possible if some/all of the following happen:

 

- Smite / Eldar style swapping ( I predicted this a few pages ago)

- let’s get some of the ( very good) Master of Pissession Powers in there.

 

- New box set ala Eldar / Dark Eldar. Give us that Psychic Dread, ( or the rules for one). Other factions have it, we’ve been begging for months/years. And make it a character. Or give us a new hybrid unit of loyalist psychic marines gathered by Magnus’ sanctuary/ Rituals indicated in the PA fluff.

 

- Also as indicated ( and this opens a ton of possibilities) if Magnus is remoulding Prospero into a war machine, this could give us recycled units which are new to us; Psychic Disco Lords. Venomcrawlers, Psychic Dreads, Psychic Possessed. Etc. It’s would be a win/win for existing models ported into Thousand Sons with a unique twist. Even Mutilators, the much maligned ugly brother to the Oblits could be a high powered “Spawn” or “failed Sorcs” as I call them. Finally the daeminic war factories could involve really interesting Chaos Knight modifications and models. ( unless the model line expands I wouldn’t have Chaos Knights break the Legion Trait)

 

- A reversal of the Rubric. As I mentioned we had that storyline thread hanging there a long time thanks to Ynnari. This could be an elite “Warlock Conclave” This could even mean a new named character, or 3. This is where I think the Exalted Sorc box could really sell.

 

- Strats that make power(s) immune to cancelling. (Word Bearers got it).

- our own version of life from death which seems very fitting right about now.

 

That’s all I want! Wouldn’t that be easy?!

I'm with you Prot. But I just dont know if we can really expect any of this.

[Sonoftherubric21]

It is safe to assume we can get some things, I think that we may end up getting a fair bit of strats/relics/warlord traits/spells. As for what units will be ported over? That is a good question. I think that the Venomcrawler could be a likely addition as its an easy slide into our codex if GW is going to even address that with this release. 

 

We will know in a few short days how extensive it will be. I have some faith it will be a solid jump up... that being said how much of a jump up is going to be in debate until the book is outed. 

 

I think that its likely they will stick with the Thousand Sons only model line and within the Cults we will get things like the Word bearers psychic strat and gear, potentially something akin to Lord Discordants aura (though either gear, strats, powers, traits), and possibly our equivalent of a Master of Possession would be from one of the Cults (The leak said Cult of Knowledge but regardless it makes sense).

 

We won't get new "models" I don't think ATM but it sounds an awful lot like Thousand Sons will be getting tons of rule options (Assuming 9 cults, and each cult is getting some options) that will "fill the gaps" through our Sorcerers. Feels fluffy and appropriate, and easy for GW to actualize with minimal effort on their part. So quite likely. 

 

This line of reasoning is also why I think that the "leak" we saw earlier is in the right ballpark at the very least, if not the right seat. 

[Archaeinox]

That "leak" was very specific with names.

 

Stop, brain! Turn back.

[Sawtooth]

The new fluff blurb about the ritual is interesting. Huge numbers of humans having their psychic potential unlocked, and many swarming to Magnus for protection. I wonder if this will have some form of gameplay ramification? 

[Archaeinox]

if this is just a shameless attempt to make TS players buy more cultists instead of tzaangors and they make them the hotness, i have no idea what ill be using for cultists..

[BoomWolf]

It's possible we'll see a stratagem that turns cultists into a psyker unit to match up the fluff.

 

Unlikely, as it's GW, and this book has got to be horrible given pre-order is so close and they have yet to preview ANYTHING about it.