StrangerOrders Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Ragnar being released solo is new - God only knows that I certainly wasn't going to buy that box just to get him. They aren't passing him off as new though, they acknowledged right in the text. That's certainly fair, its just a bit irksome that he is being attached to this new supplement as some sort of 'here is your character' moment when the other PA characters were released individually without being welded on in this manner. Granted, its possible that DA and BA wont get new characters but you have to admit it would be irksome if they both did or got IF, IH, RG, Sally-tier upgrade sprues while we are left with this sort of questionable bounty. idk, it just doesnt sit right with me. Granted, I am not saying that its wrong for you to be satisfied with it. Its just really not to my own liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Idk, I wasnt expecting much but this somehow feels like they went out of their way to insult us. I feel that, played Chaos since 1st ed... :lol: StrangerOrders 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 I believe the IF, etc. upgrade sprues are the same size. The main problem with the SW one is that it has shoulderpads for blackmane's great company, which is totally useless if a different GC. I was hoping out for a new transfer sheet with some of the great companies with no transfers, like the deathwolves or ironwolves, which we still may see, depending on what the base SW transfer sheet is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerOrders Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) ￥2,000 ￥3,570 I am not sure you can say they are equal, you get a fair bit more variety (if not quantity) out of the IF box than you would out of two of the SW (which is equivalent quantity). For a cheaper price too. Edited October 25, 2020 by StrangerOrders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) The IF box is two of its sprues, which are of the same/similar size. Both include six PA shoulder pads, three gravis shoulderpads, three heads, two arms, and 6-7 trinkets. The SW one was half the price of the IF one until the price rise earlier this year, and ended up being vastly cheaper because the SC: SW box came with two of them, so just a box of intercessors + the IF one would be $85 USD, while SC: SW was $95 USD with some aggressors and an LT for that extra $10. Edited October 25, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion Bryan Blaire 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: 'd The Primaris upgrade sprues for all the Chapters are the same size: 3-7 small bits (WS and Salamanders actually get short changed with only three, SW get 7), 3 heads, 3 Gravis pauldrons, 6 standard pauldrons, 2 Arms. Where the Wolves, BA, and DA ones lose out is that they are $14 for a single sprue without transfers, where as WS, IF, IH, and Salamanders all come with 2 sprues and transfers for $25 (although that might go up when their Supplements are released). Ultramarines are actually the worst off, because their sprue is $15 for a single without transfers. Seriously, there's no additional variety to anyone's sprues though - they are just repeats of the same one. Also, don't forget about the non-Primaris upgrade sprue either - that entire sprue is usable on Primaris as well, with only the back plate w/ pelt requiring anything more than just chopping off a hand (hopefully we don't lose that one out of GW's stock line up, I need at least two more of them). WrathOfTheLion 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) The best deal of all of it is the current standalone SW transfer sheet, which gives so many transfers for the Blackmanes, Drakeslayers and Company of the Great Wolf, for less than any one of the IF, etc. upgrade packs. Can handle like 100 infantry models per great company for just one of those. Edited October 25, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion Filius 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Oh yeah, I've picked up one of the SW transfer sheets and getting ready to need my second to get my Drakeslayers GC further filled out - wish it had more runes, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Don't know if it will stay in production permanently, keep a stash of like three of them for my drakeslayers. Learned that from HH, always have the stash of transfers... StrangerOrders 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 so nothing is known atm. Yes they use the reivers Kit, but that doesnt make them reivers. theres like almost never used by anyone, so heres hoping they are decent. im sure we will find out this week, by wednesday, what the jist of their role is Metzombie 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Re bits/upgrades: the Wolf Guard Terminator box is one of the best for Primaris sized bits Also the bare Wulfen claws (hands not frost claws) are Primaris sized...but that box has lots of spare totems and bits in general too CaptainStabby 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 The anti psyker revivers might seem pointless now, but remember you haven't seen your old friends the TS get their codex yet so may be useful later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) I wouldn't expect anyone else to get more than we are, honestly. Note that Deathwatch aren't getting anything new. I'd guess Blood Angels get a death company intercessor box, while Dark Angels get their own unique version of an existing kit. As for the hounds... Reivers actually got a pretty interesting strategem in the new codex. Combine that with some small quirks, and they might find their home as a niche Silver Bullet unit. Edited October 25, 2020 by Squark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) The DA are the hardest, don't know what they would mix with another kit. Anything interesting would be RW/DW, which the upgrade sprue doesn't work for. I'm quite interested in the new Hounds of Morkai, I like them, although I think I will do some more changes to them. The paint scheme is what I like the most. I am hoping for some ability to Deny the Witch. Some anti-psyker could be quite fun. Edited October 26, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Well my reiver box thats been waiting in the wings will gave a use now, hopefully its a good use lol. Glad it was early November, I am tired of waiting to see whats worth building up unit wise. Dark Shepherd 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Well my reiver box thats been waiting in the wings will gave a use now, hopefully its a good use lol. Glad it was early November, I am tired of waiting to see whats worth building up unit wise. Same here Id been adopting a wait and see approach except for Wulfen Primaris *facepalm* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irbis Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 That's certainly fair, its just a bit irksome that he is being attached to this new supplement as some sort of 'here is your character' moment when the other PA characters were released individually without being welded on in this manner. SW got 2 characters so far (Lt and Ragnar). Deathwatch got big fat zero. Despite the most unique organization and wargear out of all SM. Not only no primaris character, no generic Lt with DW gear or watch master either. Wanna swap? Then there is the most dumb and silly bit - SW lieutenant can get unique loadout. The same lieutenant, when attached to DW? Apparently forgot to take his stuff with him, and he can't take replacement from DW armory either. Apparently the only chapter in the Galaxy that follows version 0.1 of Codex Astartes to the point of threatening even most divergent members with execution if they even glance on any unapproved stuff is DW. Even though if there is one chapter in existence with authority to rapidly develop and deploy anti-X units like the above Fangs (not that DW rule writers are competent enough to think of any), it's the boys in black. Again, wanna swap? We'll gladly take this "insult" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Irbis if you want to talk DW go to the appropriate forum but I would assume the whining olympics wouldn’t be that well received there either. Let’s keep on topic. ORKILL and Dark Shepherd 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 According to valrak, it will be £27.50, which I think is again overcosted for what it is, probably at the high price of $45 USD after proprietary conversions. I would just buy a box of reivers at that point and make ten of them, or get the combat patrol box, which has five anyways. I don't play blackmanes and I don't care about molded shoulderpads, so ymmv depending on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Compiled from Valrak, all prices in Pounds Combat Patrol Box 85 Supplement 17.50 Dice 20 Datacards 10 Outriders 36.50 Hounds 27.50 Ragnar 26.50 Karhedron, WrathOfTheLion and Triszin 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Wolfenstein Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Compiled from Valrak, all prices in Pounds Combat Patrol Box 85 Supplement 17.50 Dice 20 Datacards 10 Outriders 36.50 Hounds 27.50 Ragnar 26.50 Does anyone know if the datacards will include the generic SM stratagems as well as the wolf specific ones? I really like the datacards but am hoping I don't have to buy both sets just to have cards for all the available strats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 We don't if the cards will include the base stratagems but I doubt it. I expected them to want more for the supplement so that's a pleasant surprise might be able to justify getting the dice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) Compiled from Valrak, all prices in Pounds Combat Patrol Box 85 Supplement 17.50 Dice 20 Datacards 10 Outriders 36.50 Hounds 27.50 Ragnar 26.50 Does anyone know if the datacards will include the generic SM stratagems as well as the wolf specific ones? I really like the datacards but am hoping I don't have to buy both sets just to have cards for all the available strats.We only needed one set for 8th Trying to think whats in Space Marine set that wouldnt be in ours? Marines is - 7x core Stratagems - 34x Space Marine Stratagems - 1x Smite psychic power - 12x psychic power cards (6 each for the Librarius and Obscuration disciplines) - 7x Litanies of Battle If cards price is correct it looks like we will need both Edited October 26, 2020 by Dark Shepherd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Wolfenstein Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Compiled from Valrak, all prices in Pounds Combat Patrol Box 85 Supplement 17.50 Dice 20 Datacards 10 Outriders 36.50 Hounds 27.50 Ragnar 26.50 Does anyone know if the datacards will include the generic SM stratagems as well as the wolf specific ones? I really like the datacards but am hoping I don't have to buy both sets just to have cards for all the available strats.We only needed one set for 8th Trying to think whats in Space Marine set that wouldnt be in ours? Marines is - 7x core Stratagems - 34x Space Marine Stratagems - 1x Smite psychic power - 12x psychic power cards (6 each for the Librarius and Obscuration disciplines) - 7x Litanies of Battle If cards price is correct it looks like we will need both Now that I think about it I'm sure we will need both. That's how it worked for the chapters that received supplements with marine dex 2.0 in 8th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 If so am buying ours and thats it Sure we know the core strats and litanies anyway. Plus theres only 2 or 3 strats in marine codex that compete with or compliment our Beast/Index strats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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