Corswain Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 3 hours ago, JeffJedi said: I want to give a shout out to Mediocre Hobbies youtube channel for some great Horus Heresy painting guides. All 18 legions done and ive tried the technique already myself. Yeah, I've been looking at their stuff and I'm really impressed. Love their Blood Angels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spessmarine Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 speaking of Iron things, from the last Heresy Thursday article Quote However you want to dispose of your snivelling Loyalist/grotesque Traitor foes, this upgunned Contemptor Dreadnought has just what you’re looking for. Join us again next week for more reveals that’ll really put some iron in your blood. what will it be? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lansalt Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, spessmarine said: speaking of Iron things, from the last Heresy Thursday article what will it be? Seems like a reference to the re-release of the IW torsos previewed today in WarCom. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 IWs got our bizarre star torsos again :) Our group has probably 20+ games of 2.0 at this point. Overall is good, probably a step up from the last edition, but we're finding new balance quirks. Current vote for most busted RoW and unit are contemptors and the FotA ROW. Spagunk 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Brofist said: IWs got our bizarre star torsos again :) Our group has probably 20+ games of 2.0 at this point. Overall is good, probably a step up from the last edition, but we're finding new balance quirks. Current vote for most busted RoW and unit are contemptors and the FotA ROW. Just had a giant discussion about this on one of the many Facebook groups. Fury of the ancients is really strong, as all skew lists tend to be. It also folds to a dedicated counter list, also like all skew lists. Unless that fury list is built very carefully to have a good answer, then it can get steamrolled by grav speeders and whatever supplemental units fill the listlist. Iirc you guys stick to ZM where things might play out a lot different, but just try a full sized game where you proxy as many speeders with grav in as possible. 15 is just shy of 1300 and allowing for scatter, you do about 4 wounds to a dread after it moves out of the difficult per unit of 5 speeders. If it charges or shoots, it dies to reactions. If you high roll the scatter dice, it dies to the volley. But ya, all X unit type tends to create unfun games, as knights demonstrate single handedly. OttoVonAwesome 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Yeah it's absolutely compounded in ZM where you can't take any grav speeders. With that RoW you might be facing down 4 or more contemptors in a 1000pt matchup which is not particularity fun in that format. Frankly, doing 4 wounds to a ~200pt dread with ~400 points of speeders isn't really selling it as an effective counter, but you're right- its a skew type list, like the knight list or early mech list in 1.0. People didn't want to play against those and they self regulated. Later mech got nerfed while knights got banned at events and largely remained taboo. Spagunk 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spessmarine Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 9 hours ago, lansalt said: Seems like a reference to the re-release of the IW torsos previewed today in WarCom. That doesn't make sense. "Join us again next week for more reveals" would suggest Thursday with another new thing, and MTO torsos are hardly a reveal or on a Thursday Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkhanist Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, spessmarine said: That doesn't make sense. "Join us again next week for more reveals" would suggest Thursday with another new thing, and MTO torsos are hardly a reveal or on a Thursday Given the phrasing, it sounds like the Iron Warriors or Iron Hands mark VI heads and shoulder pads. Given the MTO, I'm suspecting Iron Warriors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Is it just me, or do the Loyalists look like they're going to be hilariously outnumbered this edition? I think about 85% of WIPs I see are from Traitor Legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 @Brofist yea the wound output per turn doesn't sound like much, and against a traditional list would be ineffecient. But fury lists are a bit different. Their gameplan is basically move into melee distance/24" for melta/kheres mortis, for the entire army. They all need to move and charge for value, and the grav kinda puts a stop to that. It shortens their move, leaves them near-dead, and any reaction to a shooting attack or charge will kill them. You just space and target closest to furthest and you basically make them walk into your guns. And you have another 1200-1600 points worth of guns on top of that. I mentioned a Facebook discussion in my other post, and it started with a 3000 point, 13 dread/iron circle list. People were treating it as if it was the end of all balance, with no counterplay. That's obviously false; you can make a 3000 point list that just chows through it all. People don't seem to realize that if you're going to make these all-in lists, that their counter being spammed to the same degree shuts it down. Maybe I just expect too much from Facebook and shouldn't; people are posting about how the shooting phase is slowed down in 2nd now that you have to shoot each weapon in its own group and now roll it all at once... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaeron Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 6 hours ago, Lord Marshal said: Is it just me, or do the Loyalists look like they're going to be hilariously outnumbered this edition? I think about 85% of WIPs I see are from Traitor Legions. At least they’re picking the right side then! I think I’ve mostly seen a mix so far, I often felt Traitor only armies were being sought for tournament balance last edition (purely anecdotal impression). Brofist 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 7 hours ago, Lord Marshal said: Is it just me, or do the Loyalists look like they're going to be hilariously outnumbered this edition? I think about 85% of WIPs I see are from Traitor Legions. Thats kindve been the case from the get-go, though. Its generally been more interesting to explore a Legion pre-corruption or as the corruption was happening vs, say, a Legion that broken up into chapters and stay relatively the same. Doghouse and Dark Legionnare 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Legionnare Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Slips said: Thats kindve been the case from the get-go, though. Its generally been more interesting to explore a Legion pre-corruption or as the corruption was happening vs, say, a Legion that broken up into chapters and stay relatively the same. What slips said. Loyalist Lunas is more fun than proto-black legion to me. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 A few of the Legions aren't noticeably different from their 40k versions and they do tend to notably be loyalist legions, and i think that really harms the appeal of playing in a different setting for a lot of people. Cadmus Tyro 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Loyalist are boring. That's just facts! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bung Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Spagunk said: Loyalist are boring. That's just facts! :D And just a few weeks ago people were crying about all the powergaming nuts going yellow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elzender Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 I have to say, I've seen a lot of people starting IF, which is slightly bumming me as a long standing IF HH fan who never managed to actually build his army in the past 6 years Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Lots of new Sons of Horus too, i suspect there may be some factor boosting those two legions popularity in the last couple of weeks :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) To be clear: The IF bonus to ALL auto and bolter shots is pretty bonkers. That said, SoH is up there as bonkers good too. I do not mean Over-Powered, just really damn good. Edited June 27, 2022 by Spagunk Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Every legion is bonkers when you build around their trait; Fists are just the most obvious, with SoH also being pretty obvious. Newcomers are definitely going to understand +1 to hit or -1 STR over say the word bearers many buff angles towards grinding down opponents in melee, or night lords fear bomb, or scars movement and charge manipulation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, SkimaskMohawk said: Every legion is bonkers when you build around their trait; Fists are just the most obvious, with SoH also being pretty obvious. Newcomers are definitely going to understand +1 to hit or -1 STR over say the word bearers many buff angles towards grinding down opponents in melee, or night lords fear bomb, or scars movement and charge manipulation. And, imho, people are sleeping on the Alpha Legions "count as being 2" further away for shooting" because its not immediately obvious on paper how useful it will be in actual play and, similarly, that Exodus is not a unique character meaning you can take multiples of him currently. Or that Headhunters can have a Relentless, Precision Shot (4+) Multimelta in the squad. SkimaskMohawk, Chaeron, Brother Sutek and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 I see a lot of people struggling with IW Tyrants. Please don't make me sad by outranging them with pinning sniper rifles, indirect fire making pin checks from things like quad launchers, scorpius etc. Pinning stops them from reacting, making them vulnerable to things like dreadnaught bowling, melee vets etc. The intended mechanic is for you to just shoot them normally. Loquille and SkimaskMohawk 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, Slips said: And, imho, people are sleeping on the Alpha Legions "count as being 2" further away for shooting" because its not immediately obvious on paper how useful it will be in actual play and, similarly, that Exodus is not a unique character meaning you can take multiples of him currently. Or that Headhunters can have a Relentless, Precision Shot (4+) Multimelta in the squad. Ya, the range thing is going to come into play when people get a better handle on reactions. And when people start asking for/building for night fight to lock 22" max range. And when they get hit with head hunter leviathal. Slips and Chaeron 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmajorpanic Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 46 minutes ago, Slips said: Or that Headhunters can have a Relentless, Precision Shot (4+) Multimelta in the squad. Shhhh, don't tell everyone, or they'll all want one. (I may or may not have already converted one up, ready to go) Brother Sutek and Chaeron 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Also wanted to mention, very happy with the Liber books. All rules, all business. Exactly what I want in an army book. GW can sell me more premium publications with lore, art etc in them one for each legion. Coffee table style thicc books I would be interested in with alt art dust jackets hardcovers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/191/#findComment-5837989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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