Petitioner's City Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) Checking out the info on Heta-Gladius on Lexicanum, I find it interesting that Maloghurst seems to play a significant role in the background to the conflict (alongside Horus Aximand), which is curious considering Mal got a mini after all these years seemingly out of the blue - while it could be passed off as coinciding with the release of the SoH Praetor, a bunch of Legions which have their Praetors are still missing special character models. Also creates the possibility that if the Heta-Gladius book is legit, we could be getting a profile for Horus Aximand in there - and it would further cement the idea that there's Shadow Crusade content coming given we've suddenly gotten models for Remus Ventanus and Argel Tal.It's also John French's work (Slaves to Darkness), and French is of course a heresy lumniary in both sides of the BL/fw fence. But more so, Andy Hoare has credited John with games idea that turned up in Necromunda (especially the Law and Misrule campaign). They are close, so it just feels right :) Also we've also seen the Exemplary Battles taking BL as their source. Overall, a good thing to get that synergy. Edited November 5, 2021 by Petitioner's City Ripper.McGuirl 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5761529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) As always, I don't believe anything is real until GW reveals it but..... I am starting to think of how I would build my box. I've never done tac squads in blobs of 20 before and for some reason that seems appealing (until I'm actually painting them :)). And somewhat fluffy if I do Alpha Legion - the sprawling mass of the Legion that could possibly be larger than the Ultramarines. Spartan would go to my Iron Warriors though. Whole bunch of Tyrants are gonna pop out of that thing. Edited November 5, 2021 by Corswain Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5761611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 I still think this is real and will happen the entire box will go my Ultramarine siege company. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5761620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 I think the spartan cybot and terminators will turn into imperial fists and the tac marines and characters will become white scars. I think with the claws from the primaris sword brethren (chains and symbols scraped off) one could go for some.nice falcons claws. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5761645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper.McGuirl Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Checking out the info on Heta-Gladius on Lexicanum, I find it interesting that Maloghurst seems to play a significant role in the background to the conflict (alongside Horus Aximand), which is curious considering Mal got a mini after all these years seemingly out of the blue - while it could be passed off as coinciding with the release of the SoH Praetor, a bunch of Legions which have their Praetors are still missing special character models. Also creates the possibility that if the Heta-Gladius book is legit, we could be getting a profile for Horus Aximand in there - and it would further cement the idea that there's Shadow Crusade content coming given we've suddenly gotten models for Remus Ventanus and Argel Tal.It's also John French's work (Slaves to Darkness), and French is of course a heresy lumniary in both sides of the BL/fw fence. But more so, Andy Hoare has credited John with games idea that turned up in Necromunda (especially the Law and Misrule campaign). They are close, so it just feels right :) Also we've also seen the Exemplary Battles taking BL as their source. Overall, a good thing to get that synergy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5761755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper.McGuirl Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 John French was also very close with Alan Bligh and the two of them and ADB wrote lots of stuff for Dark Heresy. I get the impression that John French is just a well liked guy with lots of great ideas. And at this point, given the number of awesome things that have come out for necromunda, AT, and more recently the small stuff for Heresy, I’d say Andy Hoare has a pretty deft hand as well. Petitioner's City 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5761756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 John French was also very close with Alan Bligh and the two of them and ADB wrote lots of stuff for Dark Heresy. I get the impression that John French is just a well liked guy with lots of great ideas. And at this point, given the number of awesome things that have come out for necromunda, AT, and more recently the small stuff for Heresy, I’d say Andy Hoare has a pretty deft hand as well. Absolutely! John's obituary for Alan is beautiful and very sad. John and Alan's work on Necromunda's second edition was also great, I loved the campaign John ran with Alan's divergent cawdor modelled with Mordheim and Necromunda minis. Amazing collaborators. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5761763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 To add; Neil Wylie was also quite close to Alan, and worked with Alan and John on some of the earlier black books. With Andy seemingly taking the helm and Neil almost certainly working alongside him on future books, I have to hope that John joins in as well. As much as I loved Alan's work, he very much needed his colleagues to reign in his worst excesses. Petitioner's City 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5761817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Good points Joe! Neil Wyllie is strangely effaced from a lot of considerations of Imperial Armour and Heresy - alongside Talima Fox, I think. It's strange because Fox was so central to the marketing for IA11 in a way that paralleled Betrayal and Alan in it. https://youtu.be/KKCj38E8G-I https://youtu.be/6S0ZaG9xEIA Do any of you know what Fox went on to do? Or is she still at GW? LameBeard 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5761907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Linkedin say she is still at GW but that may not be up to date Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5761943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 We get book 3 and 7 as a pre order. Are they completely the same as their hard back counterparts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5762025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 They would be identical. They just allow for a (slightly) cheaper option than the hardbacks. Wish some of the hardbacks would get a second release though, there are a few I'd like to pick up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5762031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loquille Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Legion Dispatch has landed with a Son of Horus to keep us inline. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/15/this-son-of-horus-is-clearly-daddys-favourite-hes-been-given-the-best-armour/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Article&utm_campaign=Model%20reveal%2C%20Nov%2015&fbclid=IwAR2bUhb17vCpBk4Xyy3-0AeT-wKpQmsbymjVvHybjpTWfztuxuJzYD2ZvZc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5764291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Is that just a melta gun? No bolter component? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5764309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Looks like bolter with overslung melta like the ones in the 40k Sternguard kit. But I need him, as long as his scale isn't stupidly big like the IF praetor, and I'm sure I can find a use for him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5764310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apologist Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Looks like bolter with overslung melta like the ones in the 40k Sternguard kit. But I need him, as long as his scale isn't stupidly big like the IF praetor, and I'm sure I can find a use for him. Well, bad news for you on that front. Assuming the rumours of Imperial Fists versus Sons of Horus are the start of a rescaled range, then I think this size is what we can look forward to in the future. I've run up a mock-up on Death of a Rubricist to compare the new Sons of Horus Praetor with the Imperial Fist, and also the Word Bearers and Ultramarines Terminators. Elzender 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5764327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 AGHGH, why is there such a stupid scale difference between the same armour types.... Brother Sutek 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5764332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 HE IS BEAUTIFUL! Just the wrong legion. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5764339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apologist Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 AGHGH, why is there such a stupid scale difference between the same armour types.... My guess is that it's a general re-scaling incoming. Given the rumours have a pile of Cataphractii sprues in the 'super-exclusive launch box', I wonder if that's a sign GW are using the opportunity to dump a load of old stock by bundling it with the new exciting Mark VI... but that's a guess. It could equally well simply be that these characters are using the Character Series scale, and line infantry Terminators will remain the old size. Whatever the case, I find it interesting that the Sons of Horus and Imperial Fists models are rescaled, while the others are not. TrawlingCleaner 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5764351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 AGHGH, why is there such a stupid scale difference between the same armour types.... My guess is that it's a general re-scaling incoming. Given the rumours have a pile of Cataphractii sprues in the 'super-exclusive launch box', I wonder if that's a sign GW are using the opportunity to dump a load of old stock by bundling it with the new exciting Mark VI... but that's a guess. It could equally well simply be that these characters are using the Character Series scale, and line infantry Terminators will remain the old size. Whatever the case, I find it interesting that the Sons of Horus and Imperial Fists models are rescaled, while the others are not. Yeah, it's very strange if there is a scale change as all the other releases have so far been roughtly inline (base rocks not withstanding) but then the IF Termie Praetor blew that out of the water by being near Primarch sized (something I assumed was the 3d printed masters being printed too big and not noticed). But yeah, it's all rather strange and quite arbitrary and the usually silence from GW is just beyond the joke at this point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5764355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farson Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Got a bit of info from a solid source that I know. The Spartan while plastic is not included in the box, the picture going round is of an expanded battle scene. The contents are pretty much identical to calth in that 30 power armour, two hqs,5 termies and a contemptor. The rumoured price is of a webstore bundle where you get the Spartan and other extra models. Toodles Imren, Gorgoff, Robbienw and 6 others 9 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5764359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Got a bit of info from a solid source that I know. The Spartan while plastic is not included in the box, the picture going round is of an expanded battle scene. The contents are pretty much identical to calth in that 30 power armour, two hqs,5 termies and a contemptor. The rumoured price is of a webstore bundle where you get the Spartan and other extra models. Toodles Thanks for sharing. I wouldn't survive another scale discussion. Imren and Rejects of Anvilus 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5764362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Got a bit of info from a solid source that I know. The Spartan while plastic is not included in the box, the picture going round is of an expanded battle scene. The contents are pretty much identical to calth in that 30 power armour, two hqs,5 termies and a contemptor. The rumoured price is of a webstore bundle where you get the Spartan and other extra models. Toodles Sounds reasonable. Any hints on what those other extra models are? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5764365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cris R Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Got a bit of info from a solid source that I know. The Spartan while plastic is not included in the box, the picture going round is of an expanded battle scene. The contents are pretty much identical to calth in that 30 power armour, two hqs,5 termies and a contemptor. The rumoured price is of a webstore bundle where you get the Spartan and other extra models. Toodles This makes sense. You have a starter set that GW can maintain while offering a potential discount at launch through these bundles to draw in new and existing players. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5764378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farson Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Sounds reasonable. Any hints on what those other extra models are? Extra bundle models would be the Spartan, extra unit of termies and beakies. The extra models wouldn't be discounted as per my understanding and would be like the usual gw big bundle release when items come out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/65/#findComment-5764393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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