Taliesin Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 So as per Valrak's " sauce" this new boxset ( and assorted supplements?) should arrive before summer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5799249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarabando Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 So as per Valrak's " sauce" this new boxset ( and assorted supplements?) should arrive before summer. Source* and God i hope so then i can ask mummy and daddy for a copy for my birthday :D i have no idea where il need the rumoured mk6 marines to go i may start a heavy weapons company of Blood angels so i can do them all with the blue helmets for that classic RT look. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5799293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I hope we see more leaks (may be with pictures) so that GW has to respond. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5799589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 There's pictures floating around Facebook of a new contemptor and predator datasheet. There's a bespoke movement stat on both, but the contemptor now has toughness and wounds instead of armour. A very odd change if true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5799590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 There's pictures floating around Facebook of a new contemptor and predator datasheet. There's a bespoke movement stat on both, but the contemptor now has toughness and wounds instead of armour. A very odd change if true.The idea behind this is to bring Dreadnoughts on line with MC. WrathOfTheLion and Cris R 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5799607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkhorse0607 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Just a side note, Book Five is back in stock finally if anyone has been waiting for it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5799611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 I find one of the hardest things to believe for me from this is Lascannon turret Predators. It's been lore for decades they didn't exist in the Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5799619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I was more annoyed by compulsory sponsons on the predators tbh. Gorgoff 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5799622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I always thought that was stupid lore, so it doesn't really bother me so much. Asbestress 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5799623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 I was more annoyed by compulsory sponsons on the predators tbh. Yeah, that's going to annoy a lot of people if it pans out to be true. Noserenda 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5799624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman101 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Im not sure how I feel about dreads getting a Toughness value in a game that still have AV facings for other vehicles. That's really gonna change what kind of shots you want to allocate yo them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5799653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I wonder if anti-tank weapons will get some new rule to compensate. I always felt weird when my tanks get one shot, but the Mech robots couldn’t be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5799705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 I find one of the hardest things to believe for me from this is Lascannon turret Predators. It's been lore for decades they didn't exist in the Heresy. Always been a bit of a weird bit of lore, especially as the kit contains lascanons for the turret! Could easily be soft retconned by saying something like ‘As the Heresy ground on, Legions on both sides of the conflict found themselves facing enemies equipped with identical arms & armour. Quickly, new ways were found to give Legion formations an edge over their erstwhile brothers, with the retro fitting of Lascanons and other heavier weaponry to the ubiquitous Predator Strike Tank being just one example…’ Asbestress 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5800017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 We must also remember that the predator sheet had 'PLAYTEST' plastered over it, it's quite possible that what we see won't be what we get. They may cut weapons and options down (5 strong predator squadrons and forced to buy the sponson weapons are one thing I don't think will stick [preads in current 30k are just 75pts with just the autocannon, 95 with the sponson bolters and not the 120pts as shown]). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5800020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 The Predator has no option for extra armor or armored ceramite as well. Very odd Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5800065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Legionnaire Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 That Predator 'datasheet' looks very iffy, if not fake. At the most, it looks like something temporary you would insert into a starter box until you'd release the real thing. But who knows, maybe they're getting rid of 'overly complicated defensive rules options' like Ceramite and Extra Armour ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5800070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) That Predator 'datasheet' looks very iffy, if not fake. At the most, it looks like something temporary you would insert into a starter box until you'd release the real thing. But who knows, maybe they're getting rid of 'overly complicated defensive rules options' like Ceramite and Extra Armour ... Im just going to go out on a limb and say that the giant, green PHASE 3 PLAYTEST text slapped onto the front of it is, yknow, the reason why it doesnt look final. And end with the Volkite Sponsons look neat and its nice that you can have a full-Volkite Predator. Edited February 26, 2022 by Slips Rejects of Anvilus, Grifftofer, Astartes Consul and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5800075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Legionnaire Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Im just going to go out on a limb and say that the giant, green PHASE 3 PLAYTEST text slapped onto the front of it is, yknow, the reason why it doesnt look final. Why didn't I think of that ? Even without it, it looks iffy. But hey, we'll know when we get there. *shrugs* Personally, I'd be disappointed if we'd lose certain (vehicle) gear options due to so-called streamlining. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5800077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zedmeister Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 They could be trying to limit which vehicles can take armoured ceramite? Maybe keep it to Land Raiders, Spartans and Superheavies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5800088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rejects of Anvilus Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Personally I think restricting armoured ceramite to the tougher vehicle makes sense, and would make meltas more viable as at tactical option. Similar to reducing who can take artificer armour, to just characters and special units rather than every sergeant. WrathOfTheLion, Noserenda, zedmeister and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5800097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Honestly i wouldnt be sad to see both of those upgrades go, Extra armour is such a no brainer on any tank you want to keep mobile that its more a flaw in the vehicle damage table than a real option, its also available to pretty much everything so its not even really a design choice, not extra just armour. :D Armoured ceramite is a bit more complicated, it works on specialist stuff but widely available it falls down because one of the pillars of Imperial AT is Melta weapons, except they arent because anything worth blowing up has a cheap upgrade that nigh on nullifies them completely. So meltaguns are a noob trap (albeit with a side game in character/heavy infantry murder) that doesnt really work the way they are supposed to. At least until players start gaming the meta and leaving off the ceramite because noone takes meltaguns anymore which is a whole 'nother kettle of meta nonsense...So yeah, neither one is objectively bad game design but they are getting there! Petitioner's City 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5800105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Ol’chestnut: if everyone is taking it then it’s broken compared to using the resource on something else. Noserenda 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5800113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 I mentioned this over in the News & Rumours thread, but for everyone unsure about the veracity based of the pages' design/ formatting: something I just noticed: the bottom corners on the lore boxout border for the predator match the upper corners on the new heresy box trim, and the astrological patterns in the background are also present on both: one of my biggest doubts with these leaks were the change in formatting, but with the new box design & logo it might match Shovellovin, Petitioner's City and Asbestress 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5800125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 supposed images from the Loyalist Legions book - suggests they'll be similar to the loyalist/ traitor legio books for AT, with background, iconography and rules sections for each covered legionthe visual differenced between the artstyle for the Mk6 helms and the other marks (extant art from previous black books) also matches up to the recent art style shift for Titanicus, which presumably now uses the 3D models from the miniatures as the base for the illustrations Marshal Loss, darkhorse0607 and Noserenda 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5800214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shovellovin Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Good catch, Iron Hands Fanatic. The formatting does look the same. I really hope GW previews the Horus Heresy during Adepticon. I’ve been flirting with playing 30K for years; the rumored box set would be the way to get me to play. Ideally, the game does well and is supported with exciting releases. Varyn 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/84/#findComment-5800237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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