Medjugorje Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) The entire thing for being a space marine? So much design changes? Or just we will loose almost everything in the index and getting so much new abilities/mechanics.?? I could imagine that a lot of Strats like emperors will are just for the new units -.... but then as special rule, not stratagem. I could imagine that even litanies work very different. I even could imagine that we will go ahead from Space marines much closer to SoB for example. Maybe we will have some retrictions like in the old days when Devastors are not allowed. I think thats normal. But all mechanics which are good on MArines will stay like they are. Just our things we are different to others will gone ( all what makes the INDEX special)... as usual. But from this perspective it seems that Devot push will be changing, maybe 5+++ litany and will of the emperor. But i dont expect a buff for our chaplains will be gone ... maybe Ancient breviary will be different but our chappies will be stronger then anyone elses I think. So thats not a full change... its just adapting some new rules instead of Index rules. Space Marines stay Space Marines.. Edited August 1, 2021 by Medjugorje Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Maybe the biggest takeaway is its just vastly different so you can't really pre plan for it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trignama Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Maybe the biggest takeaway is its just vastly different so you can't really pre plan for it Yeah, I mean I've been painting a wide breadth of primaris units in an attempt to cast a net and hopefully have units that will be good already painted and ready to go. Considering we will still be using the core marine book, I don't think this is too terrible of an approach. Hopefully the only things I'll need to paint will be the new characters, SB and Crusader Squads, with small additions based on rule set. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Hopefully they playtestet just to finish what my thoughts had been in this moment: "...playtested against Drukhari, Admech and of course ORKS" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) Whatever be will be. No use suffering by antecipation Edited August 1, 2021 by Sete Marshal Valkenhayn 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 hmmm I remeber that you said (not sure - maybe it was Laeroth) our supp wont be that strong. And as a more competitive gamer I dont want to play anything which have a very low chance to win against such dumb books like Admech and Co. Maybe I will be happy to have my main army for fungames and with new models lucky that GW doesnt forget about us. But I loved the 5th edition where my main army was competitive. And it would be really annoying to have a new book but cannot use it on tournaments even I would not complain about this book. (sorry for that but at the moment i am really p***** about Admech, new orks and stuff... its so insane stupid. The new books from SM and Necrons to DG seemed really nice but the new power creep is ... ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Laeroth Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Orcs are widely being considered by most top end competitive players to be much weaker than originally thought. Most battle reports I have seen are having them lose. Admech were reined in a little bit and Drukhari are definitely not as powerful, nor as plentiful, as they used to be because Admech are hard counters to them. We will still be competitive. Just differently. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) I was talking with Fritz "LTT" Peters (ETC Winner) and he played against the german team captain with new orks and he said it was desastrous - everything as hard as it was on paper. Maybe all your top-end player played Drukhari and Admech?. All BR i ´ve watched had really bad ork lists to be honest. So I think we will see how strong they will perform in future... But you are correct when Admech is still the biggest problem. They are stupid good,.. even after FAQ At the moment BT have two or three builds which can compete (not S Tier but lesser A Tier maybe) but all other kind of lists suck. In competitive gaming maybe the whole faction in averige will perform much better but our best lists are not as good as our current lists. Could be although I dont think it will happen. But SM Codex is not a competitve book anymore. Edited August 1, 2021 by Medjugorje Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 At the moment BT have two or three builds which can compete (not S Tier but lesser A Tier maybe) but all other kind of lists suck. In competitive gaming maybe the whole faction in averige will perform much better but our best lists are not as good as our current lists. Could be although I dont think it will happen. But SM Codex is not a competitve book anymore. This is, perhaps, where the "adapt" comes in. We saw something similar with SoB and their new codex. The combinations which enabled their best build were lessened while weaker were made stronger. Everything had to be re-evaluated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Medj I said I heard it would not be as good as DA, but like I said, hearsay. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Fretting about it now is just a waste of time and brainpower. What will be will be, and we will need to deal with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Is too early to properly gauge Orks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) The most important thing is model support, and I say this because the power level of factions rises and falls. Take Ultramarines for example. Right now they aren't close to top tier, and the Primarch Guilliman is over-costed and underpowered. I'm not overly upset about this because I know that a new supplement will eventually be released and the rules will be updated ( also I've got an AdMech army to fall back on :-P ). Once BT receive support in terms of new Primaris models, it basically guarantees that they won't be ignored or forgotten again when it comes to future updates. They'll be one of the main chapters again. Edit: Typo Edited August 1, 2021 by Ishagu redmapa, Hidenheart, Medjugorje and 6 others 9 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Once BT receive support in terms of new Primaris models, it basically guarantees thar they won't be ignored or forgotten again when it comes to future updates. They'll be one of the main chapters again. I think this is spot on and I dont think many realize what it means for the future, one example for this is Dark Angels where they had all their rules expanded on after their 4th edition codex and edition after edition its been GW building up on a set of rules that make up their identity, be it in the form of banners, company specialization/wings, relics, etc. things that after 6th edition they became much more prominent in their playstyle. Black Templars barely have something, we got more litanies? Thats it, this supplement could potentially, and hopefully, be the one that cements our identity in terms of rules for future codices where GW can just iterate on our rules like they do for the other armies. I'd love it if our supplement gave a new breathe of life into the SM codex but I think we will manage if we end up mid tier, we've been much lower than that and personally I've already squeezed blood out of the rock that was our previous rules to get something decent so getting mid tier rules is more than enough for me and Im willing to squeeze every possible advantage in the rules. Trignama and Medjugorje 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Who'd want to be top tier? Everyone hating you, constantly living in fear of the next FAQ announcement, slamming all your effort into chasing the meta. Nah. Hidenheart, Denton25 and noobsawce 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Meta changes, the Crusade is Eternal. templargdt, cretacianborn, Karhedron and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 This guy gets it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Us getting new models means more means to handle ourselves in said meta. I just want a tease already painting.for.my.sanity 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 I think I was just disappointed last few days because there a few things in the meta which I dont like at the moment. For our beloved chapter it seem to have a great future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerman Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 I just get this feeling that when the pre-orders are announced and there are some good special edition stuff in a bundle I'll get in queue only to find out the bundle has sold out. I've kept the faith for 20 years since Codex Armageddon, even with what happened in 6th I was still here, give me some goodies GW! But yeah, with the last few pre-orders and their "queue" system, faith will be tested. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 do have a shop where do you buy sometimes? Our Gaming Club has a special connection to our shop. (of coure 40 members which all costumers ... ) So we I tell them before they will order them how many I want to have. So I always get what I want. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Us getting new models means more means to handle ourselves in said meta. I just want a tease already I'm under the impression that we will have to suffer the new stormcast first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Last time they separate the "shows" for their systems strictly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punchomatic Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 This thread is what happens when you give people 15 year blue balls. I get it. We are all excited and we are trying to squeeze blood from a stone. I know I check this thread multiple times an hour hoping for any crumb of new info. I’m glad we have this form and IN and other sons of Dorn like Valrak to keep us going. Marshal Valkenhayn, noobsawce, CastellanDeMolay and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 I watch valrak yet. But he doesnt tell us anymore. And sadly he isnt that interested in rules. I think we wont see the models until GW will show them. But rules will be there before - i am sure BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370962-black-templar-teaser-and-rumors/page/13/#findComment-5725934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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