WrathOfTheLion Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) They should have obsec iirc, but they can't perform actions because they're mindless. Let me look at the codex really quick. Yes, Poxwalkers have objective secured. Edited January 31, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazSexington Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) For those wondering what you get, here it is:5x bolter, 2x of each combi-option + 2x combi bolter part (but no combi-bolter sans special weapon part), 1x powerfist, 1x power sword, 1x power maul, 1x power axe, 2x chain axe, 2x chainswords (x3 without hands), 2x bolt pistol, 2x plasma pistol, and a pair of LCs. Still no non-Termie GW/FW source beyond the Alpha Legion 30k kit for combi-bolters, which is mildly annoying, and they're also monopose. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/31/unboxing-eldritch-omens-chosen-of-chaos-clash-with-the-scouts-of-saim-hann/ Edited January 31, 2022 by ChazSexington Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Leak about chosen. Chosen in the box eldritch omens are still at their 8ed codex datasheet (so dont be surprised by 1w and seeing TH as an option) In the new book, their base loadout is boltgun & accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1a) For every 5 models, can replace 2 boltguns with 2 pistols For every 5 models, can replace 2 boltguns with 2 combis For every 5 models, can replace 1 boltgun for a second accursed weapon. Chosen have been confirmed to me to be ws/bs 3 and 3a base No TH per new rules. I have looked over the sprues of the chosen and this is the things we get: 2 sheathed Chainswords 2 Chainaxes 2 Chainswords 1 Powerfist 1 Poweraxe 1 Powersword 1 Powermaul Pair of Lightning Claws 2 Combibolters bases with 2xPlasma, 2xMelta and 2xFlamer 2 Bolt pistols 2 Plasma pistols 3 Bolters 2 holstered Bolters 13 heads 11 shoulder pads Prot, RolandTHTG, Sarges and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptix Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 That's...one way to resolve the issue about what they can equip. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexington Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Wait, so...are all of the mauls. lightning claws, swords and etc. just...Accursed Weapons? Lil' confused, given the loadouts on the sprue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 For those wondering what you get, here it is: 5x bolter, 2x of each combi-option + 2x combi bolter part (but no combi-bolter sans special weapon part), 1x powerfist, 1x power sword, 1x power maul, 1x power axe, 2x chain axe, 2x chainswords (x3 without hands), 2x bolt pistol, 2x plasma pistol, and a pair of LCs. Still no non-Termie GW/FW source beyond the Alpha Legion 30k kit for combi-bolters, which is mildly annoying, and they're also monopose. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/31/unboxing-eldritch-omens-chosen-of-chaos-clash-with-the-scouts-of-saim-hann/ ++ Merged posts, as the discussion was already ongoing in this thread. ++ ChazSexington 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Accursed weapon might be an overarching category, like 'replace X with a weapon from the Sergeant Weapons list' or whatever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) Leak about chosen. Chosen in the box eldritch omens are still at their 8ed codex datasheet (so dont be surprised by 1w and seeing TH as an option) In the new book, their base loadout is boltgun & accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1a) For every 5 models, can replace 2 boltguns with 2 pistols For every 5 models, can replace 2 boltguns with 2 combis For every 5 models, can replace 1 boltgun for a second accursed weapon. Chosen have been confirmed to me to be ws/bs 3 and 3a base No TH per new rules. I have looked over the sprues of the chosen and this is the things we get: 2 sheathed Chainswords 2 Chainaxes 2 Chainswords 1 Powerfist 1 Poweraxe 1 Powersword 1 Powermaul Pair of Lightning Claws 2 Combibolters bases with 2xPlasma, 2xMelta and 2xFlamer 2 Bolt pistols 2 Plasma pistols 3 Bolters 2 holstered Bolters 13 heads 11 shoulder pads So... every single melee weapon, despite what it actually looks like - fist, axe, claw - is going to be an accursed weapon? Essentially a power sword with an extra attack. I guess it could be worse. The loss of hammers still makes me salty but at least what they're holding doesn't matter any more. This is preferable to me, I guess. Also - of course it's still gonna be the current codex stats. Edited January 31, 2022 by Khornestar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrawlingCleaner Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 So all power weapons give +a and are a fixed profile under +1S, -3ap, 1dmg. I :cuss: ing love this! They made these changes for GSC for Abherrants, Metamorphs etc. It stops faffing about with rolling different profiles separately and doesn't leave different weapons out. Model for rule of cool! lansalt, tychobi, hierojin and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 My source gave me very little info, but yes it seems all melee in the kit are accursed weapons, something of a mirror to relic blades it seems. Remember, these are playtester rules, somethings might have changed since or these might in fact be the new rules. There is a precedent for this though (gsc metamorphs, used to be able to choose specific mutations, but now only have acces to 1 mutation with a standard profile) Guess we will have to wait and see. Khornestar and TrawlingCleaner 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDeath Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 So still 1 wound and the eldar Codex announcement mentioned tyranids. So CSM will be way back, maybe under the last of 9th edition Maschinenpriester and Vesalius 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhar'Neth Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 I don’t buy the “accursed weapon with same profile but different looks” if only because of the chainswords in the set. This goes against all the WYSIWYG they enforce. The only way I could imagine such insananity would be if the kit was from 2019, but then why didn’t they sell it then? And even then, barely. Nah. Those rumors can’t be true. Grand_Master_Alpharius 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDeath Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 It was the same for Fantasy choosen in ages past. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 If what my source tells me is actually true about chosen, this may be the same treament terminators get. I will ask to see if he confirms. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Abaia Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Huh. I'm not quite sure how I feel about this Accursed Weapon thing (at least how I am interpreting it.) On the one hand, I can build my guys however I think looks coolest and not stress about finding bits without loosing combat effectiveness. On the other hand, it's very simplified (some might say dumbed down). I don't know if that simplification upsets me though. In past editions Chosen have always been known for being THE customizable unit, but (since I started in 7th) they've also been known as a pretty poor unit. All in all, it makes Chosen feel a bit similar to Possessed. Different weapon/ limbs on the models, but one unified stat line. Some variation is there in the form of (limited) ranged options and one guy being able to double up on Accursed Weapons, and that's fine I guess, it's obviously going to be a melee focused unit. And I guess the special rules will make or break the unit when compared to Possessed, Warp Talons or Terminators. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 It at least gives the unit a chance to do something somewhat consistently. If pumping out a bunch of power sword attacks is that something, so be it. Definitely makes me a lot more positive vs. the totally ineffectual unit that would be built under the current rules if limited to the kit. WrathOfTheLion 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lansalt Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Honestly, "power blades", "chain blades" and "power maul/hammer" profiles would solve a lot of wysiwyg issues across factions. Add damage/AP via extra unit rules like relic/mastercrafted etc. Aarik, Lexington, Hollenweger and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 If what my source tells me is actually true about chosen, this may be the same treament terminators get. I will ask to see if he confirms. Could you also ask if lightning claws fall under the new accursed weapon category? I really like rerolling wounds and bonus attacks.. would be a shame to lose that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesuVult Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 If GW merges weapons like that, I would actually appreciate it. It's a solid reliable profile that allows me to build models purely on aesthetic. If true I would expect we are getting it due to the pushback on the chaos terminator kits. TrawlingCleaner 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikoneo Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) Keeping the 8th rules with the codex still potentially being 2-3 months off feels like a massive slap in the face. They couldn't throw us a bone and actually let us have some decent units to use to tide us over? Edit: Would likely just have to leave the box sitting unbuilt for months since you can't really make any informed decisions on what load out can be used, just seems such a dumb move Edited January 31, 2022 by Mikoneo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDeath Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 If what my source tells me is actually true about chosen, this may be the same treament terminators get. I will ask to see if he confirms. Could you also ask if lightning claws fall under the new accursed weapon category? I really like rerolling wounds and bonus attacks.. would be a shame to lose that. I would assume thats what the dual accursed weapon option is meant to represent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maschinenpriester Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) If this is true this would also invalidate the chosen from dark vangeance which had an extra bilter on top of pistols. Edited January 31, 2022 by Maschinenpriester Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 So still 1 wound and the eldar Codex announcement mentioned tyranids. So CSM will be way back, maybe under the last of 9th edition If there is a wave of Chaos Space Marine kits to come, it was almost guaranteed another codex would be between Eldar and CSM to pad the schedule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodOfHammers Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 If this is true this would also invalidate the chosen from dark vangeance which had an extra bilter on top of pistols. I would like to point out that old Plague Marines and Blightshroud were invalidated when the DG codex dropped Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Back to a time where you just purchased a power weapon and the shape was just personal preference.. I'm OK with this. There'll be buffs via spells, strats and characters to make a perfectly potent little death machine. Feels like a damage control leak Doctor Perils, Iron Father Ferrum and tinpact 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/27/#findComment-5791796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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