Random Chapter Inspiration Thread

[Brother Cambrius]

On 7/6/2022 at 6:33 PM, Gamiel said:

Regarding a chapter symbol and what to use (that don't need you to be Golden Demon material) so do the HH Legions transfer sheets have many symbols that are not the main Legion symbol and that have not been used by any established chapter. And the standard transfer sheet that comes with both the The Horus Heresy – Age of Darkness box and Legion Cataphractii Praetor & Chaplain Consul and the smaller variant that comes with MKIV Tactical Squad have lots of moons, raptor heads, and un-encircled fists that can be used. Even the Eye of Horus could be used if you cut of the continuation of the pupil, and the IF standard one will be a bit different if placed it upside down.

Gamiel present a number of excellent ideas and points regarding easy symbols you can co-opt into creating your Chapter's emblem/symbol!

Don't forget you can also snip and trim decals (very delicately) using a very sharp, fine edged hobby knife to help add more unique designs. A classic of this is to cut off the stylized wings on the Dark Angels' symbol. Or you could even have this utilised with the Deathwing symbol, to present a Chapter or Warband that are known as the "Sword Breakers", or a name to that effect.

The decals are also great practice as designs to paint over, with a perfect guide. I did this to paint a silver wolf's head for the Shadow Wolves chapter a long, long time ago.

Cambrius

[Codex Grey]

On 7/1/2022 at 11:15 PM, Gamiel said:

DESERT HAWKS

Symbol: a raptor/raptor’s head* on light blue.

* suggest using the rapture head pauldron from the Deathwatch veterans kit, or the raptor’s head transfers from the HH Ultramarine Legion transfer sheet

Colours: beige-white, with left pauldron light blue with their chapter symbol on.

Lots of sashes, robes, and similar (preferably in white/white-ish), gold coin bling (use the Iron Golem’s coin bling/mail and paint them gold).

Inspirations: Bedouins, desert Arabs

Warfare: Preferer hit-and-run attacks, ambushes, raids, stalking the target (preferably in such way that the target can see them but not really attack), taking out supplies, taking out supply trains. Possibly at the cost of other ways of warfare, or they could be Codex following jack-of-all-trades, but they just prefer to do it that way

 

My take. I love this color combo.

 

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Flying Swords

Soaring Swords.

Edited July 9, 2022 by Codex Grey

[Gamiel]

On 7/6/2022 at 7:33 PM, Gamiel said:

Regarding a chapter symbol and what to use (that don't need you to be Golden Demon material) so do the HH Legions transfer sheets have many symbols that are not the main Legion symbol and that have not been used by any established chapter. And the standard transfer sheet that comes with both the The Horus Heresy – Age of Darkness box and Legion Cataphractii Praetor & Chaplain Consul and the smaller variant that comes with MKIV Tactical Squad have lots of moons, raptor heads, and un-encircled fists that can be used. Even the Eye of Horus could be used if you cut of the continuation of the pupil, and the IF standard one will be a bit different if placed it upside down.

Colours also do a lot here are many "name, colours and symbol"-only chapters that reuses established the Legions symbols, a well known symbol will look a bit different if the armour it's placed on is different colour then the Legion that it belongs to's colour. What about the Thousnad Sons symbol on green, or the Alpha Legion hydra on white? Ad to that upgrade stuff that don't fit the steriotype picture of that Legion and nobody can (rightfully) complain.

Adeptus Titanicus have their own transfer sheets with symbols that can be used for chapter symbol, and there are some stand alone transfer sheets that you don't need to by a kit for to get.

There is also the transfer sheet that you get with the Chaos Space Marines box (and possibly others, but I don't know which) which transfears can all (that do not show the Chaos-star) be reused with any different colours than the Chaos Legion it should belonged to for a loyalist chapter, just look at the Covenant of Fire 

 

Would like to ad the Thatos Pattern Hab Modules Transfer Sheet to the list, I have seen one fan chapter that uses the Helmawr symbol transfear for their chapter symbol

[Felix Antipodes]

I really like several of the icons on the Thatos sheet but there are not a lot of each patttern, so I’m going to be using them as Warzone/campaign icons for some of my veterans.

[Gamiel]

On 5/23/2022 at 10:34 PM, Gamiel said:

On 5/7/2022 at 10:33 PM, Gamiel said:

 

  On 4/30/2022 at 8:05 PM, Gamiel said:

The old Deathwatch RPG book Honour the Chapter had a chapter creation system, where one of the entries was about the chapter cult: "Every Chapter has its own “Chapter cult,” the body of beliefs and practices unique to itself. The specifics of the cult develop over the millennia, so that two Chapters sired by the same Progenitor during the same Founding may, after several centuries, exhibit radically divergent religious practices. Some Chapters inherit a great deal of the rites and traditions of the culture from which they recruit, while many more are so steeped in their own history and tradition that they are quite unique. In general, the Successors of any given Progenitor share a core body of beliefs and practices, but even this is not always the case. This section presents just a few possible Chapter cults, and having some idea of their nature and history is a great way to add depth to a character."

 

Followed by a list of some possible chapter cults.

 

I have done some concepts for the possible chapter cults results, and since they are a bit many do I not plan to post them in one go but one at a time, with some spece inbetween. We start fit the first result on the list:

And contune with the secund one, this one not as long:

And the third one. 

fourth: 

Purity of Man

“While all Chapters detest mutation in all its forms, some take their values to such an extent that they believe that the Space Marines alone are the true inheritors of the Emperor, that they were made according to his perfect vision and that mere mortals (everyone else) are utterly inferior. Some carry this notion through to a rejection of artificial augmetics, preferring death to the dishonour of concealing weakness with machine implants and totally abhor the practise of imprisoning a fallen warrior in the sarcophagus of a Dreadnought.”

1. Don’t use Dreadnoughts, instead those that are too wounded to continue combat service but still won’t die are allowed to heal and serve as teachers and mentors for aspirants, given positions of leadership aboard the Chapter’s ship, and/or similar.

2. A Chapter that doesn't replace their damages with cybernetics if it’s possible for the damage area to heal or be replaced with bionics.

3. A Chapter that holds abhumans in great contempt.

4. Have a great hatred toward mutants. They will never knowingly come to the help of sanctioned mutants fighting for the Imperium and will possibly kill them on sight.

5. Have a great hatred toward Genestealers because of their corruption of the holy standard human genotype.

6. The Chapter is openly hostile toward mutants, abhumans and similar, no matter how loyal they are.

7. Consider themselves, and other SM, impure because they as transhumans have abounded the holy standard human genotype.

8. The Chapter feels great contempt, if not openly hostility, toward humans with too much cybernetics.

9. Distrust the Magi Biologis of the Adeptus Mechanicus and are constantly on the lookout for information that will prove their suspicions. Possibly this distrust makes them unwilling to help or fight together with members of the Magi Biologis, or they try to constantly be/fight near them so they can monitor them.

10. A Chapter that have strained relations with the Adeptus Mechanicus.

11. When in conflict areas the Chapter helps out with taking care and healing of wounded humans when they have free time and maybe even stay after the conflict have ended to help the people. Possibly do they kill or castrate any survivors they deem unfit to spread their genes.

12. Consider any Imperial force that don’t follow the holy standard human genotype to be nothing but sacrificial and expandable units, that includes Space Marines.

13. Have a great hatred toward Fabius Bile and his students because of their corruption of the holy standard human genotype.

14. The Librarians of the Chapter take no positions of command.

15. The techmarines of the Chapter take no positions of command.

16. The Chapter have several times been charged with hunting down and destroying renegade Abhuman IG Regiments and cleansing the regiments homeworld.

17. The Chapter have several times been charged by the Lords of Terra with hunting down and destroying renegade Adeptus Mechanicus forces.

18. A Chapter that has an unusual high amount of Apothecary.

19. A Chapter that’s obsessed with keeping their gene-seed pure. Possibly they react condescending or even hostile toward Chapters they know have flaws or mutations in their gene-seed (like the Imperial Fist, the Black Dragons, and the Sons of Antaeus), or even anybody they consider impure.

20. Keep the great records of their recruitment-/homeworld’s populations’ genes and bloodlines, so no impurities will find their way in and the ones that do are quickly found.

21. A Chapter that don’t replace their damages with cybernetics if it’s possible for the damage area to heal or be replaced with bionics. They also offer this to their serfs, and possibly to the population of their homeworld.

22. A Chapter that hold humans with large amounts of cybernetics (like tech-priests) in great contempt.

23. Many of the Chapter’s serfs form genuine bonds of friendship and camaraderie with their masters.

24. Their Dreadnoughts are piloted by those that have gravely dishonoured themselves and/or the Chapter as punishment and as way to make certain that they don’t die easily on their path toward redemption.

25. The Chapter treats its serfs fairly, as important if still mortal extensions of the Chapter.

26. They are harshly intolerant when they encounter less altruistic behaviour - greed, selfishness, corruption - on Imperial worlds. Possibly putting them to the sword if they find them wanting, no matter their influence.

27.Have a great contempt toward abhumans. They will never knowingly come to the help of sanctioned abhumans fighting for the Imperium and will possibly kill them on sight.

28. Work closely with Magi Biologis of the Adeptus Mechanicus to make certain that the holy standard human genotype don’t deviate too far.

29. Have close ties to certain Ecclesiarchal sects, to which the "perfect form of Man" (of which the Emperor is the best example) is a subject of worship.
30. Never take command in any conflict zone where there is a human commander.
31. Believe they as transhumans have lost true human insight and the Chapters officers all surround themselves with human advisors.
32. A Chapter that try to protect agricultural lands and maybe even stay after the conflict have ended to help the people rebuild their agriculture. The human body can withstand much but the lack of food for too long is not one.
33. The Chapter’s ships, fortresses, vehicles, and weapons have any kind of radioactive or Warp-based area heavily shielded, and any serf working near those areas are given high-class protective equipment. All to prevent possible corruptions of their form or genes.
34. While the Chapter uses cybernetics to replace lost bodyparts, are those crafted in such way to hide their artificiality.
35. Have a contempt toward those that don’t prevent pollutions or have humans working/living in areas with damaging levels of radiation/pollutions without enough protections since those things can damage not just the bodies of those there but also coming generations genetically.
36. Are unusually concerned with civilian casualties compared to most other Space Marines and believe that one of their most important duties is to protect the lives of the Emperor of Mankind's pure human subjects whenever and wherever possible.
37. Work closely with the Orders Famulous to keep the Imperium’s nobilities’ gene-lines pure and to find fitting aspirants.
38. Work closely with the Orders Hospitaller to protect the holy standard human genotype.
39. Work closely with the Officio Medicae to protect the holy standard human genotype.
40. Don’t leave any warzone they have helped pacify until they have helped rebuilt all that’s needed for the population to survive.
41. Has a very strong culture of self-sacrifice toward humans.
42. Battle-brothers of the Chapter go to great lengths to save any child in the conflict area they are deployed.
43. Dispices the use of rad-, chem- and other weapons that will damages the holy standard human gene-structure of those that are near or even will be in the area in later time. Possibly will come to blows with those that use those kind of weapons as anything but last resort.  
44. If they find areas where radiation is not enough shielded and/or marked out for danger they will, ones their main mission is done, return and make certain that proper shielding and warnings is crafted. Possibly also to punish those that had allowed this to go on.
45. Battle-brother continues to interact with their families and the people of their homeworld after their transformation into Space Marines.

Edited November 13, 2022 by Gamiel

[Codex Grey]

Inspired by the Celebrants' dawn themed color scheme and cheerful connotations, plus Brother Cambrius' ideas for a dusk themed scout company, I came up with the Dusk Watch (The Reverse Celebrants AKA the Depressed Marines.)

[Gamiel]

On 3/16/2022 at 8:46 PM, Gamiel said:

I don't know if this count but here are some colour concepts for peoples inspiration (many of them designed from illustrations of knights):

And some more:

Red head and backpack, the rest split yellow and blue

Red head, purple backpack, the rest split red and purple

Red hands and boots, the rest green

Green pauldrons, arms, and boots, the rest blue

Light blue arms and pauldrons, the rest blue

Blue belt, red pauldrons, the rest white. Green as the “secondary” colour – suggested symbol: the Salamnder’s battle company symbol

“Quartered” with the upper right quarter blue, the rest yellow

Copper head and arms, the rest purple.

Steel helmet and arms, black pauldrons, the rest yellow – suggested symbol: a white lion rampant on black (if you hate yourself, ad a gold crown on the lion’s head)

Blue arms, the rest bright green

Purple head and arms, the rest split green and white

Black head, backpack, crotch, and legs, white belt and hands, the red.

Blue gauntlets, the rest dirty white

Orange arms and pauldrons, the rest steel

Blue arms, pauldrons, cuisses and feet, the rest black.

Yellow pauldrons, crotch and cuisses, the rest steel

Bright [colour] left pauldron, arm and leg, the rest black/dark grey

Split iron/steel and white, gold details on the white side.

Green with black boats, yellow head an as secondary colour

White with light blue triangles (similar to Space Wolves and red triangles) here and there, and light-blue as overall secondary colour.

Blue with Red pauldrons, head and backpack

Split green and red

Purple with black head and feet

Green with red pauldrons and head

Green with blue pauldrons and head

White with green boots, pauldrons and head

Blue, with some areas striped blue and yellow (like the IW is the striped areas individual)

Red with green arms, pauldrons and head

Split purple and blue

[Gamiel]

On 7/12/2022 at 11:20 AM, Gamiel said:

  

On 5/23/2022 at 10:34 PM, Gamiel said:

On 5/7/2022 at 10:33 PM, Gamiel said:

 

  On 4/30/2022 at 8:05 PM, Gamiel said:

The old Deathwatch RPG book Honour the Chapter had a chapter creation system, where one of the entries was about the chapter cult: "Every Chapter has its own “Chapter cult,” the body of beliefs and practices unique to itself. The specifics of the cult develop over the millennia, so that two Chapters sired by the same Progenitor during the same Founding may, after several centuries, exhibit radically divergent religious practices. Some Chapters inherit a great deal of the rites and traditions of the culture from which they recruit, while many more are so steeped in their own history and tradition that they are quite unique. In general, the Successors of any given Progenitor share a core body of beliefs and practices, but even this is not always the case. This section presents just a few possible Chapter cults, and having some idea of their nature and history is a great way to add depth to a character."

 

Followed by a list of some possible chapter cults.

 

I have done some concepts for the possible chapter cults results, and since they are a bit many do I not plan to post them in one go but one at a time, with some spece inbetween. We start fit the first result on the list:

And contune with the secund one, this one not as long:

And the third one. 

fourth: 

Fifth:

Reverse the Primarch

“The Chapter holds the Primarch of its Progenitor at the centre of its belief system, venerating him above all others. Although the Chapter worships the Emperor as the ultimate creator of the Legions and themselves, it is towards the Primarch that the bulk of its devotions are turned. Mighty statues of the Primarch grace the Chapter’s halls and his words are taught and read by every Battle-Brother.”

1. Each battle-brother carries a portable shrine with them where they honour their Primarch.

2. The Chapter’s Chaplains drink the mixed blood of gathered battle-brothers to receive visions of guidance from the Primarch.

3. The Chapter is also known for its extreme monastic nature, constantly studying the teachings of their Primarch if known. It’s likely that their vehicles and armour are usually covered in illuminated religious texts extracted from tomes sacred to the Adeptus Astartes.

4. The Chapter’s battle-brothers all try to make regular pilgrimages to the Shrine of the Primarch on his homeworld/similar.

5. Each battle-brother has to partake in a pilgrimage to at least one place where it’s known (without any doubt) that their Primarch was before rising in rank to the next Company. This means that a first company member have been to ten places where their Primarch was, likely the place for the pilgrimage before joining the 1:th Company is their Primarch’s homeworld.

6. The Chapter guards one of the grand sites where their Primarch walked during his life.

7. Speak mostly in quotes from the writings of their Primarch.

8. The Chapter is also known for its extreme monastic nature, constantly studying the teachings of their Primarch.

9. Gene-seed is the Primarch’s gift to his sons, and the chapter work harder than most to prevent its loss. 

10. The chapter has a special hatred for those that fell their gene-father and specialise in hunting and fighting those.

 

This one is a bit shorter since each of the Primarchs are different so in practice you would need a tabell for each of the loyal primarchs (and maybe for some traitor ones for those that want traitor successors and whose primarchs could be explained as being tricked/mind-controlled into their fall - e.g. Fulgrim).

 

[Gamiel]

A thought I got some time ago about the Flesh Eaters, that their name could be seen as something similar to the Yeomen Warders’ cognomen Beefeaters. That their name is a reference to them being the kind of elite that gets served flesh instead of vegetable stew or nutrient paste. That they are called Flesh Eaters instead of Meat or Beef Eaters is because can be justified with mistranslations, the standard meaning of flesh having moved throughout the millennia, or similar. And both have red as main colour, and some white details. 

So I would like to suggest presenting Flesh Eaters as Beefeaters-ish, with very English names and manners. Mine all the strange rituals we know the UK Parliament and crown have (we saw some of them last week during the funeral) for ideas.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

On 7/12/2022 at 2:20 AM, Gamiel said:

fourth: 

Purity of Man

“While all Chapters detest mutation in all its forms, some take their values to such an extent that they believe that the Space Marines alone are the true inheritors of the Emperor, that they were made according to his perfect vision and that mere mortals (everyone else) are utterly inferior. Some carry this notion through to a rejection of artificial augmetics, preferring death to the dishonour of concealing weakness with machine implants and totally abhor the practise of imprisoning a fallen warrior in the sarcophagus of a Dreadnought.”

1. Don’t use Dreadnoughts, instead those that are too wounded to continue combat service but still won’t die are allowed to heal and serve as teachers and mentors for aspirants, given positions of leadership aboard the Chapter’s ship, and/or similar.

2. A Chapter that doesn't replace their damages with cybernetics if it’s possible for the damage area to heal or be replaced with bionics.

3. A Chapter that holds abhumans in great contempt.

4. Have a great hatred toward mutants. They will never knowingly come to the help of sanctioned mutants fighting for the Imperium and will possibly kill them on sight.

5. Have a great hatred toward Genestealers because of their corruption of the holy standard human genotype.

6. The Chapter is openly hostile toward mutants, abhumans and similar, no matter how loyal they are.

7. Consider themselves, and other SM, impure because they as transhumans have abounded the holy standard human genotype.

8. The Chapter feels great contempt, if not openly hostility, toward humans with too much cybernetics.

9. Distrust the Magi Biologis of the Adeptus Mechanicus and are constantly on the lookout for information that will prove their suspicions. Possibly this distrust makes them unwilling to help or fight together with members of the Magi Biologis, or they try to constantly be/fight near them so they can monitor them.

10. A Chapter that have strained relations with the Adeptus Mechanicus.

11. When in conflict areas the Chapter helps out with taking care and healing of wounded humans when they have free time and maybe even stay after the conflict have ended to help the people. Possibly do they kill or castrate any survivors they deem unfit to spread their genes.

12. Consider any Imperial force that don’t follow the holy standard human genotype to be nothing but sacrificial and expandable units, that includes Space Marines.

13. Have a great hatred toward Fabius Bile and his students because of their corruption of the holy standard human genotype.

14. The Librarians of the Chapter take no positions of command.

15. The techmarines of the Chapter take no positions of command.

16. The Chapter have several times been charged with hunting down and destroying renegade Abhuman IG Regiments and cleansing the regiments homeworld.

17. The Chapter have several times been charged by the Lords of Terra with hunting down and destroying renegade Adeptus Mechanicus forces.

18. A Chapter that has an unusual high amount of Apothecary.

19. A Chapter that’s obsessed with keeping their gene-seed pure. Possibly they react condescending or even hostile toward Chapters they know have flaws or mutations in their gene-seed (like the Imperial Fist, the Black Dragons, and the Sons of Antaeus), or even anybody they consider impure.

20. Keep the great records of their recruitment-/homeworld’s populations’ genes and bloodlines, so no impurities will find their way in and the ones that do are quickly found.

21. A Chapter that don’t replace their damages with cybernetics if it’s possible for the damage area to heal or be replaced with bionics. They also offer this to their serfs, and possibly to the population of their homeworld.

22. A Chapter that hold humans with large amounts of cybernetics (like tech-priests) in great contempt.

23. Many of the Chapter’s serfs form genuine bonds of friendship and camaraderie with their masters.

24. Their Dreadnoughts are piloted by those that have gravely dishonoured themselves and/or the Chapter as punishment and as way to make certain that they don’t die easily on their path toward redemption.

25. The Chapter treats its serfs fairly, as important if still mortal extensions of the Chapter.

26. They are harshly intolerant when they encounter less altruistic behaviour - greed, selfishness, corruption - on Imperial worlds. Possibly putting them to the sword if they find them wanting, no matter their influence.

27.Have a great contempt toward abhumans. They will never knowingly come to the help of sanctioned abhumans fighting for the Imperium and will possibly kill them on sight.

 

I think such a Chapter will have close ties to the Ecclesiarchy or certain Ecclesiarchal sects, to which the "perfect form of Man" (of which the Emperor is the best example) is a subject of worship. They'll be VERY useful in any conflict with "deviants" like the AdMech and others who "do not worship the God-Emperor in the correct manner," and/or those who "do not give the God-Emperor the honor and respect that is His due," (i.e., do not donate enough to the local church).

The Chaplaincy/Reclusiam will likely have a greater than usual influence upon the Chapter. I won't be surprised if the Reclusiam assigns Justiciars to Companies to serve as pseudo-Inquisitors, monitoring their brothers-in-arms for heretical thoughts and behavior.

[Gamiel]

The Horus Heresy books have given the White Scars lots of names of groups within the Legion and old cognomens. None which have clear counterparts to any of the current known WS successors, or among successors of unknown lineage to my understanding.
This is a gold mine for anybody that wants inspiration for a WS successor.  

Among those new names are the names of their chapters (brotherhoods) : Brotherhood of the... : Blue Hawk, Night's Star, Golden Star, Sable Wolf, Broken Shield, Great Eye, Golden Path, Pennant Spear, Hunter's Star, Dawn Sky, Black Axe, and Summer Lightning.

The Blue Hawk, Golden Star, Sable Wolf, and Black Axe was given symbols and you can find those symbols in red, gold and white on their HH transfer sheet (which is strange since in the book showing those brotherhoods the Blue Hawk's symbol is blue, and Sable Wolf's and Black Axe's are black but they don't appear in those colours on the sheet). If you (or anybody else) want to do a chapter based on the Sable Wolf Brotherhood could you just use the Space Wolf symbol, and any kind of raptor symbol for a chapter based on the Blue Hawk Brotherhood.

The HH WS also had some specialist formations with cool names that could become chapter names (like the Ultra's Nemesis chapter): the Karaoghlanlar a.k.a. the Dark Sons of Death, the WS Destroyers that answered directly to the Council of Seers. They were deployed in combat when the utter annihilation of the enemy was required, not just physically, but also, through ritual Chogorian rites, spiritually. as well as for certain ritual roles in the wake of key campaigns.
The Burgediin Sarhvu, a.k.a. the Falcon's Claws, that served as hunters and forward scouts, experts in survival and the quiet elimination of enemy commanders. And outside of combat acted as the keepers of those servo-raptors maintained by many brotherhoods as both symbols of their ancient heritage and battlefield reconnaissance assets.

There is also that before the discovery of Jaghatai was the V:th Legion known as the Star Hunters, and was divided into Pioneer Companies. We know of the cognomen of five of them - Soul Hunters, Grey Ghosts, Void Devils, Lions of Thapsis, and The Enders - with the symbol of the last three also known.
None of the groups I have mentioned are clear counterparts to any of the current known WS successors, or successors of unknown lineage to my understanding.

If you want to go real retro did the 1988 ‘Chapter Approved - The Book of the Astronomican’ supplement book have a presentation of the WS where they are very different from their current incarnation. In that presentation it’s mentioned that a unique formation within the Chapter are the “Souldrinkers”, veterans that excel in close combat and armed with power-swords and refractor fields. And another formation are the jump-pack equipped “Cobra Squads”.
Now there is already a “Soul Drinkers” chapter out there but since we know that there are many chapters that have more or less the same name, colours, and/or symbol as other chapters, so maybe there is also a chapter called Souldrinkers out there.

Edited October 3, 2022 by Gamiel

[Gamiel]

There is also Jaghatai Khan's cognomen "the Warhawk", and the names of his weapons "White Tiger" power-dao and  "Storm's Voice" archaeotech pistol, and his power-armour "Wildfire Panoply" that can all be used as inspiration for chapter names,

[Gamiel]

Something I just got the idea for is a WS successor that are swashbuckling - inspired by Trois Mousquetaires, Errol Flynn characters, Fandral the Dashing (Marvel), and such - that have green as their main colour - partly because that's the colour of Fandral and Flynn's Robin Hood, partly because that's a colour not associated with the WS or their successors. The swords used by the Sanguinary Priest, Blood Knights and Lauka Vai, Mother of Nightmares can all be used to creat chain-/powerrapiers, now I just need suggestion on heads with the propper grooming - any suggestions? This idea don't really need to be a WS successor but I want that since then I can creat a small band of them to have with my Sons of Jaghatai, and I like the idea of more successors that are shown to be very different from daddy. Re. names have I not decided on anything yet, there are all the musketeers, Flynn characters and Fandral that I could nod toward, or maybe nod toward Torin the Wayfarer who I think was Bill King's wink toward Fandral (and could have functioned as the firstborn that helped train/lead the Primaris that become the founding core of the chapter, if Ultima founded). Any thoughts or suggestion? 

 

And as allways with this thread, if anybody wants to use any of those ideas, or all of it, feel free.

 

 

On 9/25/2022 at 9:21 PM, Bjorn Firewalker said:

I think such a Chapter will have close ties to the Ecclesiarchy or certain Ecclesiarchal sects, to which the "perfect form of Man" (of which the Emperor is the best example) is a subject of worship. They'll be VERY useful in any conflict with "deviants" like the AdMech and others who "do not worship the God-Emperor in the correct manner," and/or those who "do not give the God-Emperor the honor and respect that is His due," (i.e., do not donate enough to the local church).

The Chaplaincy/Reclusiam will likely have a greater than usual influence upon the Chapter. I won't be surprised if the Reclusiam assigns Justiciars to Companies to serve as pseudo-Inquisitors, monitoring their brothers-in-arms for heretical thoughts and behavior.

 

That's giving my some ideas. Will updated that post later with them.

[Gamiel]

On 4/30/2022 at 8:05 PM, Gamiel said:

The old Deathwatch RPG book Honour the Chapter had a chapter creation system, where one of the entries was about the chapter cult: "Every Chapter has its own “Chapter cult,” the body of beliefs and practices unique to itself. The specifics of the cult develop over the millennia, so that two Chapters sired by the same Progenitor during the same Founding may, after several centuries, exhibit radically divergent religious practices. Some Chapters inherit a great deal of the rites and traditions of the culture from which they recruit, while many more are so steeped in their own history and tradition that they are quite unique. In general, the Successors of any given Progenitor share a core body of beliefs and practices, but even this is not always the case. This section presents just a few possible Chapter cults, and having some idea of their nature and history is a great way to add depth to a character."

 

Followed by a list of some possible chapter cults.

 

I have done some concepts for the possible chapter cults results, and since they are a bit many do I not plan to post them in one go but one at a time, with some spece inbetween. We start fit the first result on the list:

 

"Death cult

The Chapter’s beliefs are centred not on one particular figure, but on the more abstract notion of death itself. As the so called “Angels of Death,” the Space Marines’ very existence is defined by their ability to slay their foes. While Space Marines are extremely long-lived, the vast majority die in battle and this Chapter embraces the fact. Chapters that follow this belief system to an extreme, adorning themselves in all manner of deathly fetishes and even partaking of gristly trophy taking.”

My concepts are behind spoliers since it's a bit long list

And now un to the sixth:

 

Totem Creature
“Many Chapters have as their symbol some form of animal, either an actual creature or one from mythology. Many aspire to the qualities displayed by the creature, displaying related motifs in their livery and titles. Some even utilise tactics and weapons inspired by the manner in which their totem creature fights or hunts. This is certainly the case with the Salamanders Chapter, who favour flame-effect weapons in imitation of their namesake. The Battle-Brothers of the Space Sharks Chapter fi le their teeth to sharp points to replicate those of their own totem creature.”

 

This one is not one tabell but many, for many different kinds of totems. Some of them are longer, while other are really short. As usual, if people have comments or suggestions, just post them. :

 

EDIT: seems I can't put the list behinds spoilers. I'll move the non-animal based totems from this post to a secund one I'll creat later, the one below so it do not become to long.

 

[Bird of prey] (eagle, hawk and similar)
1. Lots of psyber-[bird of prey].
2. Lots of Corvus pattern helmets.
3. Large amount of [bird of prey] live in the Chapter’s fortress-monastery and on-board their ships.
4. The skulls, bones and feathers of [bird of prey] are used as decorations and marks of honour.
5. Above the Codex standard numbers of Assault units.
6. The battle-brothers notably train in parkour.
7. Falconry is a popular pastime among the Marines not on war footing.
8. Many of the Assault units jump packs are equipped with wings.
9. A Chapter that has a flying unit of scouts riding giant [bird of prey] mounts.
10. Lots of flyers.
11. Prefer to strike fast and sudden.
12. Unwilling to work in any kind of subservient role.
13. Favours long range precision attacks, air bourn assaults, and fast attacks - preferably with air support by their own flyers.
14. Have a larger than normal amount of snipers and flyers.

 

Bull

1. A Chapter whose scouts use direbull mounts instead of scout bikes.
2. Prefer to ride cyber-enchanted direbulls instead of Space Marine Bikes.
3. Large amount of [bovines] live in the Chapter’s fortress-monastery and on-board their ships.
4. The skulls, bones, skins and horns of bulls are used as decorations and marks of honour.
5. A group of Goff orks have mistaken the Chapter as serving the same totem as they and therefore treat them as if they were fellow Goff orks.
6. Has a specialist unit that rides on ride cyber-enchanted direbulls.
7. Bullfighting is part of their culture.
8. Unarmoured bull-jumping is part of the aspirant training.

 

Carrion bird (buzzard, crow-birds, vultures and similar)
1. Lots of psyber-[carrion birds].
2. Lots of Corvus pattern helmets.
3. Large amount of [carrion birds] live in the Chapter’s fortress-monastery and on-board their ships.
4. The skulls, bones and feathers of [carrion birds] are used as decorations and marks of honour.
5. A Chapter that’s surviving by looting things on the battlefield.
6. Call their squads murders/unkindnesses/conspiracies/kettles/committees/wakes instead of the Codex standard term.
7. Call their companies murders/unkindnesses/conspiracies/kettles/committees/wakes instead of the Codex standard term.
8. Instead of using the Codex standard term of Chapter when referring to themselves they use Murder/Unkindness/Conspiracy/Kettle/Committee/Wake or that with a Great in front.
9. A Chapter that has a flying unit of scouts riding giant [carrion bird] mounts.
10. Above the Codex standard numbers of Assault units.
11. The battle-brothers notably train in parkour.
12. Like the carrion birds the chapter are cautious, likely meticulous planners, waiting patiently until the time was right to attack in order to ensure victory.
13. Raise shrines over their victory made of their victims and looted wargear.
14. A Chapter that, when they can get away with it, scavenge the arms, armour and other equipment of fallen allied Space Marines for their own use. Maybe they even scavenge from fallen Renegade/Chaos Space Marines if their equipment doesn’t have any notable taint.
15. The Chapter’s expose the bodies of their dead to the winged scavengers in specially built, open-topped towers.
16. Has a larger than normal amount of flyers.
17. See it as their right to right to take whatever they can claim/need from areas they have brought back into compliance.
18. Are often followed by serfs and/or servitors whose mission is to slay any still living enemy, take care of living allies, and take anything and everything they can claim.
19. They eat the flesh of their enemies, and maybe also their brethren, after battle.
20. Specialise in harrying and guerrilla warfare.
21. Prefer to attack enemies that have already been weakened by fighting a third group.

 

[Cat-species]
1. A Chapter whose scouts use giant [cat-species] mounts instead of scout bikes.
2. A Chapter that has an aversion to authority and is highly independent.
3. A Chapter that don’t work well with others.
4. A Chapter that don’t work well with others, even fellow members of the Chapter.
5. Prefer to ride cyber-enchanted giant [cat-species] instead of Space Marine Bikes.
6. Large amount of [cat-species] live in the Chapter’s fortress-monastery and on-board their ships.
7. A Chapter that hold little or no regard for the strategies of other forces, relentlessly pursuing their own battle plans regardless of the schemes others might have set in motion.
8. Have a reputation as being particularly aloof and reluctant to participate – both in military councils and in conflicts.
9. A isolationistic Chapter that while willing to fight alongside other Imperial forces remain aloof and exchange only what information they must to undertake campaigns.
10. Has a specialist unit that rides on ride cyber-enchanted giant [cat-species].
11. The Chapter’s marines usually work alone; even when a group of battle-brothers are sent to a conflict do each of them work by himself instead of working as a group.
12. Lots of psyber-[cat-species].
13. The battle-brothers notably train in parkour.

 

Dragon
1. Their fortress-monastery is built inside an active volcano.
2. Their homeworld is highly volcanic active.
3. Hoard tendency for fine crafted items.
4. Lots of open flames (braziers, torches, fireplace, etc.) all over the Chapter’s fortress-monastery and ships.
5. Hoard tendency for precious stones and metals.
6. Has a notable hot temper and fiery furry.
7. Hoard tendency for things of beauty. Possibly have many beautiful people in stasis caskets, so they stay beautiful forever.
8. Lots of flamer and melta weapons.
9. All battle-brothers are equipped with at least one flame based weapon of some kind.
10. Lots of poison and/or acid weapons.
11. A group of Aeldari Fire Dragons warriors are constantly harrying the Chapter when possible.
12.  The Chapter has been known to fight alongside a group of Aeldari Fire Dragons warriors.
13. Officers wear scaled cloaks.
14. High officers wear scaled cloaks.
15. Their armour is often painted with scale patterns.
16. A Chapter that for some reason hoard material riches
17. Believe they have the right to take whatever they need/want from planets they have brought back into compliance.
18. A Chapter whose scouts use drake mounts instead of scout bikes.
19. Has a specialist unit that ride cyber-enchanted drakes.
20. Prefer to ride cyber-enchanted drakes instead of Space Marine Bikes.
21. Has a specialist unit that ride cyber-enchanted flying drakes.
22. The Chapter’s marines usually work alone; even when a group of battle-brothers are sent to a conflict do each of them work by himself instead of working as a group.
 
Owl
1. Lots of psyber-owls.
2. When not on duty the Chapter’s battle-brothers are expected to help out teaching.
3. Large amount of owls live in the Chapter’s fortress-monastery and on-board their ships.
4. The skulls, bones and feathers of owls are used as decorations and marks of honour.
5. A preference for night fighting.
6. A Chapter that don’t have a Chapter-Master, instead it's led by a council consisting of the Chapter’s senior Librarians.
7. The Chapter’s Chapter-Master are chosen from the members of the Librarius.
8. A Chapter that’s as dedicated to the scholarly arts as to the ways of war.
9. A Chapter whose scouts use giant owl mounts instead of scout bikes.
10. If presented with new knowledge or a logical problem a member of this Chapter does need to make a notable mental effort not to gather it, either physically or by reading it and keeping it in memory, headless of danger.
11. If presented with a logical problem, puzzle or riddle a member of this Chapter does need to make a notable mental effort not to try to solve it, headless of danger.
12. Always try to find new knowledge.
13. Each battle-brother carry a book where they write down records, thoughts, observations and similar.
14. See the loss of knowledge as anathema. Therefor they defended with fanatical zeal libraries and other collections of knowledge. If the area will fall is it likely they will do their best to save as much knowledge as possible.
15. Prior to any deployment, the Chapter will scour any available records to gain information on the land they will fight in and on the opponents that they will fight.
16. Record keeping is seen as highly important for the Chapter. Likely does each company, ship, and squad keep their own records, maybe also the chapter-serf work-gangs and/or individual Marines also keep records; possibly are larger areas of the Chapter’s fortress-monastery and taken up by the record libraries.
17. Above the Codex standard numbers of Assault units.
18. The battle-brothers notably train in parkour.
19. Have a noted capacity for learning, particularly of military matters.
20. Give allied commanders, whether subordinates or many ranks more senior, post-battle reports of great detail. Possibly do the reports for fellow Space Marines have any deviation from the Codex Astartes noted.
21. Recruit from a Administratum World.
22. A Chapter that is dedicated to the Administratum.
23. A Chapter that works closely with the Ordo Scriptorum, of the =][=.
24. A Chapter that works closely with the Ordo Scriptus, of the =][=.
25. Many of the Chapter’s officers serve in consular duties among other Imperial Forces.
26. Deeply study not just the writings of the Primarchs.
27. The Chapter’s officers are not just promoted on seniority and merit, but also have to do a written exam.
28. Highly bureaucratic, to such level that more or less every request and/or task has its own forms that need to be filled out (likely in three versions) before it can be done. Possibly has this lead to them ignoring requests for help because it was not done using the proper bureaucracy.
29. Have a larger than normal amount of snipers and flyers.
30. Prior to any deployment, the Chapter will scour any available records to gain information on the land they will fight in and on the opponents that they will fight.
31. Large eyes with no visible eye-whites.
32. Have a noted capacity for observation and learning.
33. Try to save intellectuals and knowledge keepers on worlds that are being overrun. Possibly if they can’t save them they eat them so they can absorb and save their knowledge using the omophagea.
34. Large amount of flyers.
35. Prefer to attack from stealth. 
36. Use lots of sound absorbing technology. Is the technology archeotech, a rare STC, xeno-tech, or of other origin?
37. Favours long range precision attacks, airborne assaults, and fast attacks – preferably with air support by their own flyers.
 
Scorpion
1. Lots of poison weapons.
2. Many of the battle-brothers have a close-combat mechandrite with poison-dispensers.
3. Large amount of scorpions live in the Chapter’s fortress-monastery and on-board their ships.
4. Use battle-automatas/-servitors similar in form to Brass Scorpions.
5. A group of Aeldari Striking Scorpions warriors are constantly harrying the Chapter when possible.
6. The Chapter has been known to fight alongside a group of Aeldari Striking Scorpions warriors.
7. The shells, legs, claws, fangs and tails of large/giant scorpions are used as decorations and marks of honour.
8. Use large scorpions as psyber-familiars.
9. Use large/huge/gigantic scorpions as hunting and/or war beasts.
10. Their homeworld have giant scorpions; that are actually a threat to a lone SM.
11. A Chapter whose scouts use giant scorpion mounts instead of scout bikes.
12. Prefer to ride cyber-enchanted giant scorpions instead of Space Marine Bikes.
13. Use cyber-enchanted giant scorpions as mobile gun platforms.
14. Ritually bath in scorpion poison, possibly bleaching or miscolouring their hair and/or skin.
15. Has a specialist unit that rides on cyber-enchanted giant scorpions.
 
Snake
1. Lots of pet snakes, some may be attack trained.
2. Their homeworld have giant snakes, so large that they can swallow a SM whole.
3. Lots of poison weapons.
4. Snake tattoos cover their bodies.
5. Ritually bath in snake poison, possibly bleaching or miscolouring their hair and/or skin.
6. Use whips and/or chain-weapons.
7. All battle-brothers have had their tongue split as part of the aspirant process, making them forked like a snakes.
8. The Chapter’s Librarians use psyber-snakes.
9. A group of Snake Bites orks have mistaken the Chapter as serving the same totem as they and therefore treat them as if they were fellow Snake Bites orks.
10. A Chapter whose scouts use giant snake mounts instead of scout bikes.
11. Large amount of snakes live in the Chapter’s fortress-monastery and on-board their ships.
12. The skulls, bones and skins of snakes are used as decorations and marks of honour.
13. Officers wear scaled cloaks.
14. High officers wear scaled cloaks.
15. Their armour is often painted with scale patterns.
16. Are known as cold and utterly focussed warriors who display little emotion.
17. A Chapter that has an unusual high amount of Apothecary.
18. A Chapter that works closely with the Officio Medicae. [reference to the Rod of Asclepius]
 
Spider
1. Lots of poison weapons.
2. Lots of weber- and net-weapons.
3. Highly train in being able to move vertically.
4. Use battle-automatas similar in form to Brass Scorpions.
5. A group of Aeldari Warp Spiders warriors are constantly harrying the Chapter when possible.
6. The Chapter has been known to fight alongside a group of Aeldari Warp Spiders warriors.
7. All battle-brothers are trained in weaving.
8. Recruit from the families of weavers.
9. Each battle-brother has a personal weaver-serf that tells his story by creating a tapestry.
10. Large amount of spiders live in the Chapter’s fortress-monastery and on-board their ships.
11. The shells, legs and fangs of large/giant spiders are used as decorations and marks of honour.
12. Use large spiders as psyber-familiars.
13. Use large/huge/gigantic scorpions as hunting and/or war beasts.
14. The Chapter specialize in subverting personnel, creating usefully-placed operatives and spy networks, even amongst their allies.
15. Patient in their way of warfare, with a preference for traps and ambushes.
16. Their homeworld have giant spiders, that are actually a threat to a lone SM.
17. A Chapter whose scouts use giant spider mounts instead of scout bikes.
18. Prefer to ride cyber-enchanted giant spiders instead of Space Marine Bikes.
19. Use cyber-enchanted giant spiders as mobile gun platforms.
20. Use whips and/or chain-weapons.
21. Ritually bath in spider poison, possibly bleaching or miscolouring their hair and/or skin.
22. Has a specialist unit that rides on ride cyber-enchanted giant spiders.
 
Lion
1. Lots of psyber-lions.
2. Fights alongside lionise animals, like lions, direlions, and/or even lion-beast akin to Fenrisian wolves in size and power.
3. Seems unable to function as an organised combat unit above 30 battle-brothers (included the officers).
4. Large amount of lions live in the Chapter’s fortress-monastery and on-board their ships.
5. Call their squads prides instead of the Codex standard term.
6. Call their companies prides instead of the Codex standard term.
7. The skulls, bones and pelts of lions are used as decorations and marks of honour.
8. Call themselves a Pride or Great Pride, instead of a Chapter.
9. Usually a combat force from the chapter is made up by one or two battle-bothers together with a warrior auxilia of two to thirty females.
10. Each battle-brothers’ personal serfs are all female.
11. A Chapter whose scouts use direlion mounts instead of scout bikes.
12. Instead of the Codex's Company structure, the Chapter base its organization around that of the simple 10-marine squad.
13. Pelts of lions hang from the officer’s armour. Possibly lionesses pelts for lower officers and male lion pelts for higher ones.
14. Prefer to ride cyber-enchanted direlions instead of Space Marine Bikes.
15. Has a specialist unit that rides on cyber-enchanted direlions.
16. Have lion companions whose remains, when fallen, are treated in the same way as a Marine’s.
17. Acts regal and speaks in a formal tone.
18. A ferocious and inspiring Chapter.
19. An arrogant and prideful Chapter.
20. A charismatic Chapter of seemingly born leaders.
21. Unwilling to work in any kind of subservient role.
22. See no problem taking command of any imperial troops in a warzone since they believe (many times justified) that they have a better understanding of what’s going on than any normal officer and everything will go faster if they coordinate the attacks. 

Wolf
1. Lots of psyber-wolves.
2. Fights alongside lupine-animals, like wolves, direwolves, and/or even beast akin to Fenrisian wolves.
3. Seems unable to function as an organised combat unit above 37 battle-brothers (included the officers)
4. Large amount of wolves live in the Chapter’s fortress-monastery and on-board their ships.
5. The skulls, bones and feathers of wolves are used as decorations and marks of honour.
6. Call their squads packs instead of the Codex standard term.
7. Call their companies packs instead of the Codex standard term.
8. Call themselves a Pack or Great Pack, instead of a Chapter.
9. A Chapter whose scouts use direwolf mounts instead of scout bikes.
10. Instead of the Codex's Company structure, the Chapter base its organization around that of the simple 10-marine squad.
11. Pelts of wolves hang from the officer’s armour.
12. Prefer to ride cyber-enchanted direwolves instead of Space Marine Bikes.
13. Has a specialist unit that ride cyber-enchanted direwolves.
14. Have lupine companions whose remains, when fallen, are treated in the same way as a Marine’s.
 

Edited November 26, 2022 by Gamiel

[Gamiel]

3 hours ago, Gamiel said:

Totem Creature
“Many Chapters have as their symbol some form of animal, either an actual creature or one from mythology. Many aspire to the qualities displayed by the creature, displaying related motifs in their livery and titles. Some even utilise tactics and weapons inspired by the manner in which their totem creature fights or hunts. This is certainly the case with the Salamanders Chapter, who favour flame-effect weapons in imitation of their namesake. The Battle-Brothers of the Space Sharks Chapter fi le their teeth to sharp points to replicate those of their own totem creature.”

 

This one is not one tabell but many, for many different kinds of totems. Some of them are longer, while other are really short. As usual, if people have comments or suggestions, just post them. :

 

Angel
1. Lots of Iron Halos.
2. See themself as the Emperor’s avenging angels, and focus on striking down traitors and heretics to Him
3. The Chapter is highly mystical.
4. Above the Codex standard numbers of Assault units, with many of the jump packs equipped with wings.
5. Speaks very poetically.
6. The Chapter worship the Emperor as a God, and see themselves as being literally angels.
7. A noble Chapter that believes their purpose not only to protect humanity but to enable humanity to take humanity to a higher state.
8. Often go to the field of war unhelmed, so that the sight of their angelic visages might unsettle the enemy and uplift their allies.
9. There is a deeply mystical streak in the Chapter’s doctrines, and a strong belief that things can be made better. 
10. The Chapter’s marines strive for perfection in all of their endeavours. Their works of art are things of beauty and symmetry. Their martial disciplines are practiced unceasingly. 
11. The Chapter’s doctrines are permeated with a sense of mortality and the fallen greatness of Man.
12. Their eyes glow, and their skin seems to shine. The effect of mutation or some kind of cosmetic and cyber surgery?
13. The Chapter is one of beatific countenance and noble bearing.
14. Unnaturally beautiful. An effect of their gene-seed or cosmetic surgery?
15. Battle-brothers are named after angels.
16. A preference for flamer and melta weapons.
17. Lots of flyers and droppods.
18. Large amount of servo-cherubs help out (more or less) in the Chapter’s fortress-monastery and on-board their ships.
19. The chapter goes to war with servo-cherubs flying above them.

 

Sun
1. A Chapter with a preference for las-weapons, flash grenades, halo-reflector fields and other light using/creating technology.
2. Are aversive to fighting on Night Worlds.
3. A group of Evil Sunz orks have mistaken the Chapter as serving the same totem as they and therefore treat them as if they were fellow, if rival, Evil Sunz orks.
4. There homeworld is tidal locked with the chapter-fortress laying in the eternal dayside.
5. The Chapter’s homeworld is blessed with perpetual sunlight thanks to three or more suns.
6. Life is the gift the sun brings to the worlds, the growth of plants and thus the foundations of animal life are directly tied to the sun’s presence, as such the Chapter take dim views on the pollution of living words and short-sighted plundering of natural resources.
7. Gold is seen as the metal of the sun and Chapter’s Marines armour become more and more gold-plated as they rise in rank/honour.
8. Have an aversion against nightworlders and especially Nightsider abhumans.
9. Take pleasure in fighting enemies against the Imperium that prefer night fighting or skulking in the shadows, like the Night Lords and Drukhari Mandrakes.
10. The Chapter's wargear and motor pool is equipped with strong lanterns, search-/spotlights and/or flare guns. So the Chapter can light up the battlefield like the sun light up the day.
11. When on a planet the battle-brothers pay homage to the sun just before dawn each day, if possible this prayer last throughout the sunrise, concluding once the sun has fully risen.
12. When on a planet the battle-brothers pay homage to the sun at the dawn, when it is at its peak and just before dusk.
13. The Chapter’s recruitment stock are worshipping the Emperor not as a god seated upon a golden throne, but residing in the heart of the sun that burns in their world’s sky, and that has influenced the Chapter’s iconography and rituals, even if they have not taken upon that belief.
14. The Chapter uses the image of the Sun of Terra in place of the Aquila.
15. The Sun of Terra is regarded as an aspect of the God Emperor, and referred to as the Sol Invictus, or the Invincible Sun.
16. The Chapter’s fortress-monastery is a void-station that’s usually in extremely close orbit around particularly brilliant stars, the light of which floods the ship through crystal windows.
17. The Chapter’s fortress-monastery is a void-station that’s stationed in an extremely close orbit around their home-system's sun, the light of which floods the ship through crystal windows.
18. The Chapter ideally prefer to eliminate all enemies with orbital strikes – like the sun striking down from the heavens. Possibly this propensity for orbital strikes has resulted in casualties among loyalist forces.
19. In combat the Chapter favours flame, melta and plasma based weapons.
20. Uses custom grenade that combines the effects of a photon flash and incendiary grenade – a blinding flash and lethal burning plasma fluid.
21. The sun is the life giver that makes most kinds of agriculture possible; as such battle-brothers are trained in the agricultural arts. It’s possible that they are often presiding over agricultural festivals and/or the Chaplains give blessings to farmers and their fields.
22. The Chapter embrace the sun in its aspect of the life giver that makes most kinds of agriculture possible. They have preference for defending Agri Worlds and their own homeworld may be one.
23. All battle-brothers have a deep, rich sun tan.
24. The sun is often used to symbolise enlightenment and the Chapter’s battle-brothers are expected to either study themself or help out teaching when not on war duty.
25. The sun is often used to symbolise enlightenment and the Chapter’s battle-brothers are expected to study and develop their understandings when not on war duty.
* pick a Sun deity and use that as a base.
 
Moon
1. Their fortress-monastery lay on a moon.
2. The amount of moons and what phases they are in, are taken into consideration when the Chapter plan their tactics.
3. A preference for night fighting.
4. A group of Bad Moons orks have mistaken the Chapter as serving the same totem as they and therefore treat them as if they were fellow Bad Moons orks.
5. A group of grots worshiping what they call the Bad Moon see the Chapter as being connected to their deity and tries to follow them and please them.
6. Are aversive to fighting on planets with no moon.
7. Keepers of the secrets of the Lunar gene-cults. Or at least believe they are.
8. The moon has often been given a feminine aspect also among this Chapter, and this has led to them preferring women in position of powers among their serfs and others they command.
9. The Chapter ideally prefer to eliminate all enemies with orbital strikes – like the moon striking down from the heavens. Possibly this propensity for orbital strikes has resulted in casualties among loyalist forces.
10. While they Chapter see the Emperor as their great father, and possibly even god, do they also pay respect to Luna, the moon of Terra, as a kind of great mother.
11. Silver is seen as the metal of the moon and Chapter’s Marines armour become more and more silver-plated as they rise in rank/honour.
12. The Chapter’s recruitment stock are worshipping the Emperor not as a god seated upon a golden throne, but residing in on the moon that lightens up in their world’s night sky, and that has influenced the Chapter’s iconography and rituals, even if they have not taken upon that belief.
13. The Chapter uses the image of Luna, the moon of Terra in place of the Aquila.
14. Divide themselves not into the Codex prescribed 10 companies, instead they have five companies that style themselves after the classical different aspects of the moon: new moon; crescent moon; half moon; gibbous moon; and full moon. Maybe there is a sixth based on the blood moon and/or the blue moon, or maybe there are seven companies.
15. Not one fortress-monastery but many smaller ones spread out on a group of moons, possibly around the same planet or in the same system.
* pick a Sun deity and use that as a base.
 
Stars
1. Style themselves after one of the figures in the ancient pre-Age of Darkness Terran zodiacs. Maybe they consider all the stars that made up those images their main protectorate?
2. A preference for night fighting.
3. Favours the morning-star as the epitome of a warrior’s arsenal and the incarnate focus of his honour.
4. A preference for fighting under the night sky.
5. The Chapter ideally prefer to eliminate all enemies with orbital strikes – like the stars striking down from the heavens. Possibly this propensity for orbital strikes has resulted in casualties among loyalist forces.
6. Has twelve companies, each un-numbered; instead they are named after the animals in one of the ancient pre-Age of Darkness Terran zodiacs.
7. Recruit from those born in the void between stars.
8. Constantly map and remap the stars as they travel the void. Possibly the data-crypts of the Chapter’s fortress-monastery hold great, advanced star maps.
9. Constantly read the celestial bodies in the sky of their homeworld and use what they (believe?) they see to guide them in their decisions.
10. Specialise in warfare in the dark void between stars.
11. Believe they get a measure of power over a foe by knowing under what star s/he was born.

 

[Weapon]
1. A Chapter that favour a specific kind of weapon as the epitome of a warrior’s arsenal and the incarnate focus of his honour.
2. The Chapter’s battle-brothers are accomplished [weapon]smiths, often crafting their own [weapon] and establishing a link with its Machine Spirit. Likely the Marine will devote himself to mastering the [weapon]'s use, and learn to fight with unbelievable skill and poise, also likely is that losing a bonded weapon is a mark of great shame resulting in terrible dishonour and shame, leading them to go to great lengths to reclaim one.
3. The Chapter's High Council of Company Masters and senior officers is known as the [Weapon] Council.
4. The Chapter has one, or more, warrior fraternity whose members are drawn from the foremost [weapon]men  among its ranks, and existed outside of the Chapter's outhervise rigid formations.

[Minigiant]

I recently had an idea for a 'Space Kiwis' chapter (Kiwi the bird not the fruit), a flightless bird for a chapter on bikes; of course a White Scars successor

[Gamiel]

Some thoughts regarding the Cursed Founding: I want to point out that while most of the known chapter of that founding have rather easily noted problem - Sons of Antaeus and Black Dragons with their physical mutations, the Minotaurs had some real psychological issues (they seems to have gotten better), and the Flame Falcons spontaneous immolation is something that's hard to not call unnatural even for 40k's pulpy understanding of science – do for example Fire Hawks and Lamenters lack any such tell, and the Lamenters did even for a long time not suffer from the Blood Angels Flaw (or did so in a notably weakened form), but instead they are both known for being notably unlucky (but at the same time, since both of them are still alive and not declared renegade could it be said that they are not as unlucky as those chapters that have been destroyed or declared Excommunicate Traitoris). With this presentation I’m trying to say that even if a chapter is from the Cursed Founding don’t it need to have something that rather easily say that there is a problem with its members. But on the other hand, if you want a chapter with some real mutations that would be hard to explain appearing “naturally” is being from the Cursed Founding one of the easiest ways to justify it since there was absolutely some kind of gene-seed experimentations going on with at least some of the chapters (if not all) from that founding.

 

I got this idé for a chapter from the Cursed Founding that doesn't have any known problems at all but know that they are from the Cursed Founding with what that usually entail. And to prevent the curse from affecting them do they constantly do warding and cleansing rituals and are bedecked with protecting markings and talismans.

 

 

On 10/28/2022 at 10:13 AM, Minigiant said:

I recently had an idea for a 'Space Kiwis' chapter (Kiwi the bird not the fruit), a flightless bird for a chapter on bikes; of course a White Scars successor

Do you have any ideas how to represent their "kiwiness"?

 

B.t.w. saying that a bike preferring chapter is of course of WS lineage is stereotyping.

[Brother Cambrius]

 

 

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Do you have any ideas how to represent their "kiwiness"?

 

B.t.w. saying that a bike preferring chapter is of course of WS lineage is stereotyping.

 

In terms of flightless bird options, there's a few nasty predator birds that are flightless. The Cassowary is certainly one evil big blighter that's vicious. On the stereotyping, we do see a lot of that in 40K even from GW itself, but it certainly could be linked to the White Scars via Jaghatai Khan's nickname of the "Warhawk" etc and utilising birds for the hunt and such.

But another biker oriented Chapter I remember from waaaay back in 4th Ed is the Red Templars, which are descendants of the Black Templars if I recall rightly.

Now on the Cursed Chapter trying to ward off the inevitable, that presents a lot of options for character and Chapter structure, whether it be akin to the Red Scorpions' 'purity above all' with them having lots of Apothecaries to track for any sign of impurity or mutation. Another option is reliance on purity through spirit and faith in the Emperor, so you could have a Chaplain oriented one that might be extremely zealous in its rites that must be performed to prevent ill-tidings for the break of tradition or ceremony. Lots of character potential there that would fit oh so well in the barmy grimdark of 40K.

 

Cambrius

[Minigiant]

On 10/30/2022 at 2:28 PM, Gamiel said:

 

Do you have any ideas how to represent their "kiwiness"?

 

It was nothing to do with the kiwiness, but with the flightless bird aspect. Maneovering as a flock of birds, this elegant wave upon the battlefield.

 

I only chose Kiwi to represent the flightless bird because the Genus name was slightly bearable to say Astra Apteryx, Space Kiwis 

[Gamiel]

10 hours ago, Brother Cambrius said:

but it certainly could be linked to the White Scars via Jaghatai Khan's nickname of the "Warhawk" etc and utilising birds for the hunt and such.

But by that logic do the Angels Encarmine have a World Eaters connection since Angron was known as the Red Angel and both like close combat.

 

10 hours ago, Brother Cambrius said:

On the stereotyping, we do see a lot of that in 40K even from GW itself

But also lot of things from GW that goes against the stereotypes.

[Brother Cambrius]

4 hours ago, Gamiel said:

But by that logic do the Angels Encarmine have a World Eaters connection since Angron was known as the Red Angel and both like close combat.

 

But also lot of things from GW that goes against the stereotypes.

 

On part 1: No, it's not a set rule and law; just an option you could use as reasoning.

 

On part 2: Yes that is also true, it's all that question of what you wish to do, using the ingredients made available through potentials. :)

 

Cambrius

[Gamiel]

Have uppdated my post with Purity of Man concepts, the new concepts are in green

 

[Gamiel]

On 7/11/2022 at 11:16 AM, Gamiel said:

On 7/6/2022 at 7:33 PM, Gamiel said:

Regarding a chapter symbol and what to use (that don't need you to be Golden Demon material) so do the HH Legions transfer sheets have many symbols that are not the main Legion symbol and that have not been used by any established chapter. And the standard transfer sheet that comes with both the The Horus Heresy – Age of Darkness box and Legion Cataphractii Praetor & Chaplain Consul and the smaller variant that comes with MKIV Tactical Squad have lots of moons, raptor heads, and un-encircled fists that can be used. Even the Eye of Horus could be used if you cut of the continuation of the pupil, and the IF standard one will be a bit different if placed it upside down.

Colours also do a lot here. There are many "name, colours and symbol"-only chapters that reuses established the Legions symbols, a well known symbol will look a bit different if the armour it's placed on is different colour then the Legion that it belongs to's colour. What about the Thousnad Sons symbol on green, or the Alpha Legion hydra on white? Ad to that upgrade stuff that don't fit the steriotype picture of that Legion and nobody can (rightfully) complain.

Adeptus Titanicus have their own transfer sheets with symbols that can be used for chapter symbol, and there are some stand alone transfer sheets that you don't need to by a kit for to get.

There is also the transfer sheet that you get with the Chaos Space Marines box (and possibly others, but I don't know which) which transfears can all (that do not show the Chaos-star) be reused with any different colours than the Chaos Legion it should belonged to for a loyalist chapter, just look at the Covenant of Fire 

 Would like to ad the Thatos Pattern Hab Modules Transfer Sheet to the list, I have seen one fan chapter that uses the Helmawr symbol transfear for their chapter symbol

There is also the transfer sheets for the Eldars, the AoS' Dark Elves, and the Imperial Knight 'sheet have some symbols that are small enought for a pauldron

 

 

[Gamiel]

 

Something I plan to do but want to share: I am thinking of using Night Lords heads (have some of the old CSM ones), and maybe shoulderpads, togheter with AoS' Lizardmen bits to creat a Camazotz themed chapter. What do people think could be fitting names for such a chapter? Camazotz means "death bat" in the Kʼicheʼ language you could just go with 'Death Bats', but I feel like there should be more possible names but can't come up with any. Suggestions? 

Also, do people any idea about fitting colours?

Edited November 24, 2022 by Gamiel

[Brother Cambrius]

10 hours ago, Gamiel said:

 

Something I plan to do but want to share: I am thinking of using Night Lords heads (have some of the old CSM ones), and maybe shoulderpads, togheter with AoS' Lizardmen bits to creat a Camazotz themed chapter. What do people think could be fitting names for such a chapter? Camazotz means "death bat" in the Kʼicheʼ language you could just go with 'Death Bats', but I feel like there should be more possible names but can't come up with any. Suggestions? 

Also, do people any idea about fitting colours?

Now that's definitely a good seam for some unique designs and ideas for building a Chapter!

In terms of bat, one of the more obvious options is to utilise the animal order for Bat, Chiroptera. So a few options could be:

Sons of Chiroptera
Chiropteran Blades

Add in Latin for death or doom, and you could have Chiroptera Mors or Malum.

Other options can be to utilise parts of the bat, such as the wings or fangs mixed with a unique name or colour term (eg Shadow Wings / Shadow Fangs).

<EDIT> Forgot to add colours on this. So you can either go down the deep or greyish brown route to match the fur of bats, or you can also play in the colours of dusk and night with a mix of deep red for blood and fangs being emphasized. Depends if you want full on stealth or a bit of fear inducing blood inclusion.

Hope that helps,

Cambrius

Edited November 24, 2022 by Brother Cambrius