Kill Team - Nachmund - Box and CSM Revealed

[Slave to Darkness]

People are definitely buying new teams to play KT, my most regular opponent picked up some deathwatch and i nearly got some harlequins before i remembered that meant painting harlequins again

I wanna paint some Quins for practice but not buy them as they will never get used, gamer problems lol. 

[davextreme]

Agreed. I had been playing around with the idea to make some Fallen since I have a ton of Dark Angels, but what’s the point? Now I can play them as Legionaries in Kill Team, and suddenly I’ve ordered Nachmund + a box of Mark III Marines + some Forge World gubbins.

[Iron Lord]

I'm curious about the Anointed and how it will fit into the 9e CSM codex - will it be a squad upgrade or a unit (so people can take squads consisting entirely of Anointed.

 

Because back in the 3e period, Possessed could have bolt pistols (and I converted all mine to have pistol in one hand, and a mutated limb for the other.)

 

Given that Anointed are a kind of Possessed (with many small demons within) - maybe I'd be able to use my old Possessed as Anointed.

[ThePenitentOne]

I'm curious about the Anointed and how it will fit into the 9e CSM codex - will it be a squad upgrade or a unit (so people can take squads consisting entirely of Anointed.

 

Because back in the 3e period, Possessed could have bolt pistols (and I converted all mine to have pistol in one hand, and a mutated limb for the other.)

 

Given that Anointed are a kind of Possessed (with many small demons within) - maybe I'd be able to use my old Possessed as Anointed.

There's two ways they could go: they could sanitize the unit entry in the dex like they did for Novitiates.

 

Or they could create a new Legionnaire Elite entry like they did for Corsair Voidscarred.

 

If they do the latter, and I hope they do, you'll get to include upgrades as 0-1 choices within the unit, with the caveat that the unit can't go above a certain threshhold, meaning that if you take any of the upgrades, you swapping them for normal bolter dudes.

[Khornestar]

Based on the rumors we have now, the anointed doesn’t have any rules that translate to 40k. From the csm rumors thread:

 

CSM legionaries

legionaries is the new name for the csm troop unit choice

same profile as before but 2W and 3a (4a on the AC) (not confirmed but my guess is 10 man squad like plague marines and rubrics)

loadout:

AC gets a daemon blade (S user ap2 d2; 6s to wound= 1MW); plasma pistol; can choose 1 weapon fron the melee weapons list

Any of all legionaires can replace bolter for chainswords

1 legionaire can take a special weapon

1 legionaire can take a heavy weapon

1 legionaire can take balefire tome (cast 1/deny 1)

1 legionaire can take a heavy chainaxe (S+4 ap4 d2; -1 to hit)

1 legionaire can take a chaos icon

[sitnam]

 

I'm curious about the Anointed and how it will fit into the 9e CSM codex - will it be a squad upgrade or a unit (so people can take squads consisting entirely of Anointed.

 

Because back in the 3e period, Possessed could have bolt pistols (and I converted all mine to have pistol in one hand, and a mutated limb for the other.)

 

Given that Anointed are a kind of Possessed (with many small demons within) - maybe I'd be able to use my old Possessed as Anointed.

There's two ways they could go: they could sanitize the unit entry in the dex like they did for Novitiates.

 

Or they could create a new Legionnaire Elite entry like they did for Corsair Voidscarred.

 

If they do the latter, and I hope they do, you'll get to include upgrades as 0-1 choices within the unit, with the caveat that the unit can't go above a certain threshhold, meaning that if you take any of the upgrades, you swapping them for normal bolter dudes.

The other option is that it's an upgrade to the classic CSM squad, not an extra unit (which would basically be Chosen lite)

[Aramis K]

While I know the focus is on the Corsair kill team, I find it odd GW haven't shown a single shot of the models with shuriken rifles or power swords, their default 40k loadouts. I'm sure that'll start to appear online as people buy them now, but still a shame.

[Halandaar]

While I know the focus is on the Corsair kill team, I find it odd GW haven't shown a single shot of the models with shuriken rifles or power swords, their default 40k loadouts. I'm sure that'll start to appear online as people buy them now, but still a shame.

 

There was an image of them with the Shuriken Rifle loadout in one of the preview articles (interestingly showing them in a Ynnari colour scheme fighting alongside Yvraine despite the rules in the Codex explicitly disallowing it) but i'm struggling to find it now.

 

Edit - Found it, it wasn't in an article at all but was posted earlier in the thread:

 

Edited March 13, 2022 by Halandaar

[Ripper.McGuirl]

I also find it kind of strange. But it’s worth noting the kit has enough parts to make the full kill team, AND enough arms for a 10 model squad with sword/pistol, AND 10 rifles, plus over 20 heads. So if you have any other eldar troops laying around you could pretty easily have almost 30 corsairs from this box.

[Tyriks]

There were also pictures of models with each of the Shuriken Rifle and Power Sword loadouts in the codex.

[Mmmmm Napalm]

As I suspected, GW's price increase was not applied to the US and UK markets equally, contrary to what they said would happen. Compared to Chalnath, the Nachmund set is £10 higher in price for the UK (£115), compared to a $29 increase for the US ($199)... Wonderful. For context, the Octarius starter set was $199.

Edited March 15, 2022 by Mmmmm Napalm

[01RTB01]

As I suspected, GW's price increase was not applied to the US and UK markets equally, contrary to what they said would happen. Compared to Chalnath, the Nachmund set is £10 higher in price for the UK (£115), compared to a $29 increase for the US ($199)... Wonderful. For context, the Octarius starter set was $199.

Across your Northern border it was $230CAD and Octarius was $9 more before tax.

 

I wasn't that bothered about corsairs. I'm now really not fussed by Corsairs!

[Grand_Master_Alpharius]

 

As I suspected, GW's price increase was not applied to the US and UK markets equally, contrary to what they said would happen. Compared to Chalnath, the Nachmund set is £10 higher in price for the UK (£115), compared to a $29 increase for the US ($199)... Wonderful. For context, the Octarius starter set was $199.

Across your Northern border it was $230CAD and Octarius was $9 more before tax.

 

I wasn't that bothered about corsairs. I'm now really not fussed by Corsairs!

 

My dudes, the Nachmund box is $380 in NZ, you guys have it pretty good at $200. I mean, I was kinda curious at first, but there was no way I could afford that price!

[tangoalphatwo]

Is this a limited run? Or a one time run?

[Mmmmm Napalm]

 

 

As I suspected, GW's price increase was not applied to the US and UK markets equally, contrary to what they said would happen. Compared to Chalnath, the Nachmund set is £10 higher in price for the UK (£115), compared to a $29 increase for the US ($199)... Wonderful. For context, the Octarius starter set was $199.

Across your Northern border it was $230CAD and Octarius was $9 more before tax.

 

I wasn't that bothered about corsairs. I'm now really not fussed by Corsairs!

 

My dudes, the Nachmund box is $380 in NZ, you guys have it pretty good at $200. I mean, I was kinda curious at first, but there was no way I could afford that price!

 

I agree, NZ prices are unacceptable. Therefore, I will continue to express my displeasure as US prices continue to approach that level of absurdity.

Edited March 15, 2022 by Mmmmm Napalm

[MithrilForge]

Ouch...It's $320.00 Australian ... Not as Bad as NZ (Always feel bad for our kiwi friends )  But that price has put me off corsairs for the moment  ...

 

Mithril

[Alby the Slayer]

I also find it kind of strange. But it’s worth noting the kit has enough parts to make the full kill team, AND enough arms for a 10 model squad with sword/pistol, AND 10 rifles, plus over 20 heads. So if you have any other eldar troops laying around you could pretty easily have almost 30 corsairs from this box.

 

About that, I am very happy about these new aeldari release. The sheer amount of extra pieces is very much welcomed.

 

I saw that in most of the SoB kit too and I do hope we can see it continue in the next IG/Astra Militarum release and future releases.

 

So much potential for kitbashing, like the old times.

[Halandaar]

About that, I am very happy about these new aeldari release. The sheer amount of extra pieces is very much welcomed.

 

I think it can almost go too far though. Like with the new Guardians, I've built 30 of them (20 Defenders and 10 Storm) but used only the heads and weapons from one of the three kits. So I've got 2 completely untouched weapon sprues and another 2.5 sprues worth of leftover components like heads and heavy weapons - 4.5 sprues worth of spares, from 9 sprues.

 

In the context of ever-increasing prices, GW producing (and charging me for) twice as much plastic as is necessary feels excessive, especially when there's no easy way to actually make use of all those spare weapons because there's no easy/cheap way to obtain more bodies to put them on. If they'd been more thoughtful about how the kit was laid out, Defenders and Storm Guardians could have been produced and sold as separate 2-sprue kits for a lower cost than a combined 3-sprue kit where half of it is wastage.

Edited March 15, 2022 by Halandaar

[BluegrassGamer]

 

About that, I am very happy about these new aeldari release. The sheer amount of extra pieces is very much welcomed.

 

I think it can almost go too far though. Like with the new Guardians, I've built 30 of them (20 Defenders and 10 Storm) but used only the heads and weapons from one of the three kits. So I've got 2 completely untouched weapon sprues and another 2.5 sprues worth of leftover components like heads and heavy weapons - 4.5 sprues worth of spares, from 9 sprues.

 

In the context of ever-increasing prices, GW producing (and charging me for) twice as much plastic as is necessary feels excessive, especially when there's no easy way to actually make use of all those spare weapons because there's no easy/cheap way to obtain more bodies to put them on. If they'd been more thoughtful about how the kit was laid out, Defenders and Storm Guardians could have been produced and sold as separate 2-sprue kits for a lower cost than a combined 3-sprue kit where half of it is wastage.

 

And if GW had done something like what you suggested? There'd be someone complaining that with how expensive GW products are, their money should be able to go further and GW shouldn't be putting less things on the sprue and instead should have put more things on the sprue. Bit of a catch-22, isn't it?

Edited March 15, 2022 by BluegrassGamer

[Slave to Darkness]

 

 

About that, I am very happy about these new aeldari release. The sheer amount of extra pieces is very much welcomed.

 

I think it can almost go too far though. Like with the new Guardians, I've built 30 of them (20 Defenders and 10 Storm) but used only the heads and weapons from one of the three kits. So I've got 2 completely untouched weapon sprues and another 2.5 sprues worth of leftover components like heads and heavy weapons - 4.5 sprues worth of spares, from 9 sprues.

 

In the context of ever-increasing prices, GW producing (and charging me for) twice as much plastic as is necessary feels excessive, especially when there's no easy way to actually make use of all those spare weapons because there's no easy/cheap way to obtain more bodies to put them on. If they'd been more thoughtful about how the kit was laid out, Defenders and Storm Guardians could have been produced and sold as separate 2-sprue kits for a lower cost than a combined 3-sprue kit where half of it is wastage.

 

And if GW had done something like what you suggested? There'd be someone complaining that with how expensive GW products are, their money should be able to go further and GW shouldn't be putting less things on the sprue and instead should have put more things on the sprue. Bit of a catch-22, isn't it?

 

Better than being charged through the nose for stuff you will never use. 

[Noserenda]

I dunno, i kinda like i have the kitbash bits down the line, there will come a time when i get over the salt and update my corsairs and being able to sub in some cheaper guardians and kaballites with all the spare arms is nice for variety.

It does mean my actual guardians are gonna have yet more redundant weapon platforms though :D 

[Mandragola]

I don't know if I'll get Nachmund. I have Octarius and Chalnath but haven't actually played a game yet (childcare, boo). 

 

That said, I've built the Orks and DKoK and they're truly excellent models. I don't feel as excited by the rest of the kill teams somehow. These four teams might be enough for me, at least for now.

 

Edit: I think the corsairs are missing something - movement. They're supposed to be dashing pirates and their rules imply this, but the models don't. All of them are standing with both feet on the ground (apart from the kneeling one) and only a couple are even walking. I think this is a real missed opportunity to create something dynamic, which is probably what sets the orks and DKoK above these guys. The detail is fantastic but the posing is boring.

Edited March 15, 2022 by Mandragola

[Tyriks]

I definitely prefer having extra bits. I'm using Storm Guardian bits on Warlocks, Dark Reapers, and HQs already. If they cut out half the sprues and made them distinct kits it's not like the price would be half what it is now anyway.

[sitnam]

I don't know if I'll get Nachmund. I have Octarius and Chalnath but haven't actually played a game yet (childcare, boo).

 

That said, I've built the Orks and DKoK and they're truly excellent models. I don't feel as excited by the rest of the kill teams somehow. These four teams might be enough for me, at least for now.

Nachmund will be my first box (I was planning on getting a box of CSM and terrain anyways, so this popping up was a no brainrr), but having played with compendium teams I definitely encourage you to play, KT really is a solid game. Between those four teams and whatever you have for compendium teams, there is a ton of gameplay there

[Halandaar]

And if GW had done something like what you suggested? There'd be someone complaining that with how expensive GW products are, their money should be able to go further and GW shouldn't be putting less things on the sprue and instead should have put more things on the sprue. Bit of a catch-22, isn't it?

 

Well the important part of what I suggested was that the kits would be cheaper, as well as smaller.

 

Even a modest reduction in price, like a £30 2-sprue Storm Guardian kit and £30 2-sprue Guardian Defenders kit would produce the same amount of usable models as two of the existing mixed Guardian boxes at a lower price than you pay now to get those same 20 models, and you'd still have a few spares from both of those kits for your bits box anyway.

 

Yes there's always going to be some plank who whinges about everything, but I find it hard to believe that a solution that saves money for the player AND saves production and material costs for GW AND saves plastic production for the environment is a bad exchange for paying extra for a bunch of redundant shuriken pistols and helmets.

Edited March 15, 2022 by Halandaar