Predicting Primaris (Again): Will the generic range be "complete" in 10th Edition?

[spessmarine]

it's either consolidation or GW bites the bullet and puts up Encyclopedia Astarticus online
HH stuff that was turned to plastic got added to the codex proper, now that we've got so much more plastic HH on the way and 10th edition Primaris wave a tipping point is inevitable

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Hey guys I ready for rending pony now… available to every chapter.

[Lemondish]

6 hours ago, BLACK BLΠFLY said:

One is a tank one is a skimmer… this thread is a train wreck.

 

Whoooooosh. You don't need to participate if that's how you feel. Bye!

 

5 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Pretty sure he means 3 datasheets for each is unnecessary, not that they should share data sheets 

 

Exactly what I mean.

 

For those unfamiliar with the current Space Marine Codex, the Gladiator is three separate data sheets with locked in weapon choices. The Stormstrike is likewise split into three independent datasheets with no choice in loadout.

 

A consolidation into one sheet each with all weapon options wide open would be a lot easier than managing the current... nonsense

Edited December 29, 2022 by Lemondish

[Nephaston]

Some consolidation would indeed be good, as others have said the three gladiators could be one sheet, same with the three storm speeder and the two phobos troops, though I would include reivers into that  and call 'em light intercessors for the lulz.

 

Regarding what else can come for primaris I do think rocket lads, jump lads, brutalis, and maybe the terminators are merely the tip of the iceberg. Especially regarding the sheer number of stuff an edition start brings with it: Excluding characters, monopose starter kit variants (intercessors had 3 for example) and counting one-kit variants with multiple datasheets like gladiators as one, 9th brought us 11 new kits, 8th double dipped with shadowspear/C:SM 2.0 so it's 7 kits at the start of 8th and added 6 later of which one is surpressors.

 

So beyond the 4 already rumoured what else could be done? I think surpressors might come as an option for jump assault but beyond that I think we go further along the one weapon type unit style so maybe a grav weapon unit, pyreblaster/flamer unit (though aggressors might already cover that), an we would be done I think, maybe a unit with portable onslaught gatlings but idk.

Beyond that i could see stuff like redone drop pods, phobos marines on dirtbikes, gravis marines on grav bikes, ATV variants for said bikes, neophytes/scouts, hq variants of redemptors, maybe a sarcophagus upgrade for invictors, a dedicated veteran intercessors kit or maybe "boltguard" vets which are just ranged bladeguard, some kind of phobos veterans, gravis veterans a repulsor that omits the turret for troop capacity, maybe with an assault ramp, maybe a grav-spartan top go beyond ridiculous, Overlords, though that feels like it would be FW.

 

There's just lots you can do and the trifecta of light/medium/heavy that is mkX opens up design space for stuff that technically covers the same function/weapon type: Eliminators alread cover las-weaponry, but Tacticus could cover astartes grade Las-Rifles or smaller las rippers, while gravis could go for lascannons, plasma might be covered by inceptors and hellblasters, but what about destroyer-esque plasma in phobos, same with melta; we have melta rifles, what about melta carbines? melta pistols?. The list goes on and on, through the aeons, forever.

 

Once we start covering character we will need a spreadsheet to see what is not covered yet, not to mention "trainee" positions like judiciars, helix adepts, tech-novitiates, or distinct lexicanum/acolytum librarians in trainingFor me? I would want to have all the hqs in gravis pls and thank you. Though I would also take a tacticool phobos techmarine with twinned omnissian hatchets and a slight "h4ck3r" slant just for the hilarity, or a phobos ancient with an extendable flagpole because stealthy bannermen is my kind of stupid.

 

I could wishlist all day.

[Karhedron]

To be fair, it is not just the Primaris datasheets that seem to include needless duplication. The Predator Destructor and Annihilator could easily be rolled into a single datasheet.

[Marshal Rohr]

I get that they wanted to make it easier to tweak units and remove ambiguity by having bespoke datasheets for each loadout, but three for one primaris speeder is silly when you could have one that just says these weapons are taken together or these weapons are taken together. 

[Iron Lord]

46 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

To be fair, it is not just the Primaris datasheets that seem to include needless duplication. The Predator Destructor and Annihilator could easily be rolled into a single datasheet.

And in the past (5e) they were. Then GW decided to split them again. I'd love to see GW embrace the old paradigm, but I'm not too optimistic.

[Guest]

I have to say if I was given the option to paint Primaris Tactical. Assault and Devastator squads I would do it in a heartbeat.

 

I do love Primaris but I do miss these 3 squads. I do think they are the backbone of Chapters since forever, and that part of primaris I feel is missing.

 

Interessors (all types) are nice but I miss the Special and Heavy Weapons, Heavy Inters are probably the closest to Tactical due to having the Heavy Bolter and who does not love Heavy Botlers :D.

[Marshal Reinhard]

I would be all over an "Ascended Tactical Squad", featuring primaris marines with older mark helmets or other select bits armed with bolt carbines (the one reivers use, without all the frills, its basically a visually updated boltgun, with the ejection port correctly aligned etc) and the option to take neo-special and heavy weapons.

 

In fact might just be tempted to model such a squad regardless as a side project

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

I would be all over an "Ascended Tactical Squad", featuring primaris marines with older mark helmets or other select bits armed with bolt carbines (the one reivers use, without all the frills, its basically a visually updated boltgun, with the ejection port correctly aligned etc) and the option to take neo-special and heavy weapons.

 

In fact might just be tempted to model such a squad regardless as a side project

 

Yeah I had the same thought.

 

 

[Marshal Reinhard]

Honestly think the reason GW insists on splitting up sheets like different units based on armaments is because they've given names to the different load outs. So predator annihilator and predator destructor are two sheets instead of a base predator sheet. With the 5ish additional loadouts from the heresy kits, they're content with sticking that under a relic predator sheet i guess?

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

I think part of the reason they do multiple sheets is for marketing. Makes it easier for the customer to order what they like.

 

I don't see consolidation being a priority for GW. They like saying it's the biggest marine codex ever. 

 

I also suspect that we'll get Primaris units with grav, lightning claws, and a bunch of character models. 

 

I don't think we'll get tacticals, they'll just change the scale of the current kit.

 

[Marshal Reinhard]

53 minutes ago, Jorin Helm-splitter said:

I think part of the reason they do multiple sheets is for marketing. Makes it easier for the customer to order what they like.

Yeah, same reason their store will list kits multiple times, once for each configuration under their respective names. Isn't just limted to vehicles, the deathwing terminator  squad for instance comes up 3 times, once each as DW squad, DW command squad and DW knight squad.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

13 hours ago, Brother Captain Arkley said:

I have to say if I was given the option to paint Primaris Tactical. Assault and Devastator squads I would do it in a heartbeat.

 

I do love Primaris but I do miss these 3 squads. I do think they are the backbone of Chapters since forever, and that part of primaris I feel is missing.

 

Interessors (all types) are nice but I miss the Special and Heavy Weapons, Heavy Inters are probably the closest to Tactical due to having the Heavy Bolter and who does not love Heavy Botlers :D.

Intercessors do get a special weapon though

[Guest]

Nevermind

Edited December 30, 2022 by Brother Captain Arkley

[Lord_Ikka]

17 hours ago, Brother Captain Arkley said:

I have to say if I was given the option to paint Primaris Tactical. Assault and Devastator squads I would do it in a heartbeat.

 

I do love Primaris but I do miss these 3 squads. I do think they are the backbone of Chapters since forever, and that part of primaris I feel is missing.

 

Interessors (all types) are nice but I miss the Special and Heavy Weapons, Heavy Inters are probably the closest to Tactical due to having the Heavy Bolter and who does not love Heavy Botlers :D.

Agreed- I'm at the point in my hobbying that I would enjoy having a go at a Primaris version of those three; though with 30+ Assault Intercessors I'd probably just rip the backpacks off of ten and put on Primaris jumppacks to save myself some time/money. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Lord_Ikka said:

Agreed- I'm at the point in my hobbying that I would enjoy having a go at a Primaris version of those three; though with 30+ Assault Intercessors I'd probably just rip the backpacks off of ten and put on Primaris jumppacks to save myself some time/money. 

My issue with the jump pack thing is the lack of harness... Its so nitpicky. :)

[Malakithe]

I skipped a lot of pages but in response to the topic...no. In GWs history has any range really been completed to the point where they never changed, expanded, replaced stuff? If they every stopped innovating, even it if takes years, then they probably would have been out of business quite a while ago. 

 

So without going into some crazy off topic discussion the answer is no. The Primaris range will never be completed. There will always been some new one off HQ guy, a flashy new vehicle, an upgrade kit to existing stuff. And thats all before getting into chapter specific Primaris...maybe in 10+ years they will dial it back a bit but how many years has it been since Primaris came out? And they are still nowhere near done. 

[Lord_Ikka]

40 minutes ago, Brother Captain Arkley said:

My issue with the jump pack thing is the lack of harness... Its so nitpicky. :)

But when you have special characters and units like the Sanguinary Guard or Haarken Worldclaimer without harnesses, it doesn't make it so bad. 

Edited December 30, 2022 by Lord_Ikka

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Lord_Ikka said:

But when you have special characters and units like the Sanguinary Guard or Haarken Worldclaimer without harnesses, it doesn't make it so bad. 

I get you :) Just odd to me.

[Marshal Reinhard]

So any of y'all square this silouette with a "missile launcher" ?

[lansalt]

Knowing GW, it will have several build options, with one loadout being that WarCom rumor engine image:

 

[Blindhamster]

it does look like a very confused gun from the silouette

[Malakithe]

36 minutes ago, lansalt said:

Knowing GW, it will have several build options, with one loadout being that WarCom rumor engine image:

 

Thats the most Primaris weapon ever...of course they would have a rocket pod attached to a missile launcher.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

So it does look like we'll probably get our first full look at these guys during the LVO preview. Of course I said that last year as well...