Predicting Primaris (Again): Will the generic range be "complete" in 10th Edition?

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

Well, Valrak announced today that the rumored new Terminators are actually supposed to be part of the 10th-Ed launch box. That would be a bit of an odd choice as they're still supposedly not Primaris, but just newer "chonkier" Firstborn. Still, it suggests that maybe the days of character Terminator models or even chapter-specific stuff like the Deathwing may not be over.

Edited January 18, 2023 by Lord Nord

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Whose his source ?

[Karhedron]

1 minute ago, BLACK BLΠFLY said:

Whose his source ?

 

If he shared that then his source would probably be shut down pronto. Rumour-monger Rule #1: Don't burn your sources.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

BTW, this may seem a little out of place in the "Predicting Primaris" thread, but if it's true that a non-Primaris squad is going to be part of a launch box, it kind of does suggest that the generic Primaris range may in fact be pretty close to tapped out. Again, that's talking purely from a standpoint of new and different squads. I expect the character and vehicle rosters to continue to be filled in over the next few editions. But having just a few generic squads left to trickle out would definitely facilitate not only stuff like new Terminator sculpts but additional chapter-specific range refreshes going forward.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Look at what Black Templars got… if what you said is true then why did they get the full Primaris treatment ?

[WrathOfTheLion]

It could be both Primaris and Firstborn use the venerable Terminator armor, and there's no distinction in that particular unit. That would be pretty cool.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, BLACK BLΠFLY said:

Whose his source ?

Does it really matter? He’s reported a multitude of accurate rumors over the last few years.

if he is comfortable reporting it publicly it means he trusts the source quite a bit.

his record on rumors is good enough I don’t see a need to question his sources 

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

I’ve heard from several source they will be releasing Primaris Terminators so…

[Blindhamster]

1 hour ago, WrathOfTheLion said:

It could be both Primaris and Firstborn use the venerable Terminator armor, and there's no distinction in that particular unit. That would be pretty cool.

this is my guess. Probably either having primaris as an optional keyword or not at all but it being purely lore based

[Marshal Reinhard]

Really need em to look better. Abbadon class quality, not just simply loyalist versions of the recent chaos termie kit

[Chapter Master Valrak]

5 hours ago, BLACK BLΠFLY said:

Whose his source ?

Alpharius of course.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

4 hours ago, BLACK BLΠFLY said:

I’ve heard from several source they will be releasing Primaris Terminators so…

And how often have these sources of yours provided you with accurate information?

[phandaal]

11 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

And how often have these sources of yours provided you with accurate information?

 

Both can be true. Upscaled Terminator resculpts can have the Primaris keyword. We will have to wait and see.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

3 hours ago, phandaal said:

 

Both can be true. Upscaled Terminator resculpts can have the Primaris keyword. We will have to wait and see.

Yes upscaled new sculpts can have the primaris keyword but firstborn cannot.

 

it’s always possible these guys get the same treatment as that BT model where they said just use it as whatever.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Use it as whatever ?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

30 minutes ago, BLACK BLΠFLY said:

Use it as whatever ?

Yes. The BT character that they said could be either or.

 

[Marshal Reinhard]

5 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Yes. The BT character that they said could be either or.

 

The option to use him as a classic marine was obvious, everything about him looks classic. Classic armor mark details, backpack. Ordinary combi flamer weapon based on the classic boltgun, in a supplement that introduced primaris combi flamers based on primaris bolt rifles.

 

He didn't get a datasheet, but the book had datasheet extensions for primaris captains and lieutenants to use the newly introduced weapons, including a very specific power axe + combi flamer (ie classic one) for the primaris lieutenant, which is obviously meant to accomodate the BT castellan as a primaris one.

 

New termies would obviously get a data sheet, on which it would likely be simplest to have an option to add the primaris keyword on.

Edited January 19, 2023 by Marshal Reinhard

[Orange Knight]

I said as much in the other topic. If these are coming, I believe they will be Primaris.

 

It's very easy to explain in the lore that the venerable suits have been converted and modified to be used by Primaris Marines. There will be some cases where modifying existing technology is worthwhile. Terminator suits could be one such example.

 

There is the Black Templar Primaris Castellan who wears an old MkV suit. Easily explained as a chapter relic that has been modified for use with the current generation of Marines.

[Guest]

I so want Terminators for my Primaris, but if they are just firstborn redux I am not sure I will buy into them.

[Blindhamster]

If they have proportions I don’t think suck, I’ll probably get them regardless, though yes I too would prefer primaris, but ultimately a model I like is a model I like, so we will see

[Guest]

59 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

If they have proportions I don’t think suck, I’ll probably get them regardless, though yes I too would prefer primaris, but ultimately a model I like is a model I like, so we will see

I want you to be right believe me...

 

Terminators are so iconic for me.

 

If they have the same proportions as Abby I think I will get them regardless :)

Edited January 19, 2023 by Brother Captain Arkley

[Marshal Reinhard]

They need to be better than past iterations. They just can't completely fix all terminator issues with abbadon, then regress back to the old problems. It's why i found the chaos terminator kit so disappointing after abby. They were better than older kits yes, but we'd been shown they could be even better still and they fell short of that.

[Vermintide]

It has long been my suspicion that despite how hard they're trying to keep up the pretence for now, eventually at some point down the line, they will just quietly sweep the whole firstborn/primaris distinction under the rug, and never speak of it again. Eventually, Terminators will just be another armour pattern that slots in alongside Phobos, Tacticus, and Gravis. Gradually they will phase out the distinction in rules (i,e the keywords and stratagems relying on them), and slowly start to put the old kits out to pasture, once it has been long enough that everyone has tons of Primaris already anyhow and nobody is gonna complain about having their army squatted. Then it'll be complete- A Space Marine will just be a Space Marine again, and a Terminator will just be a Terminator.

 

If they're really releasing new Terminators, I think it is a hint we're starting to get there. Terminators are too iconic not to have, even in the worst case scenario of GW's misjudged Primaris missteps; there's no way they wouldn't update them.

[Bouargh]

On 1/19/2023 at 8:13 PM, Brother Captain Arkley said:

I want you to be right believe me...

 

Terminators are so iconic for me.

 

If they have the same proportions as Abby I think I will get them regardless :)

 

If it is only a question of new proportions, I would be tempted to follow you.

But if they took the opportunity of a resculpt to change the gear and weapons.... well I would only be moderatly pleased and would rather they would not be either/or but frankly and truly primarized. I would hate being stck in the middle of the river: Say "I look like a Termie but I bear Primaris toolkits alike" is not my dearest dream so far...

 

 

Edited January 23, 2023 by Bouargh
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[jaxom]

On 1/17/2023 at 6:30 PM, Orange Knight said:

 

I think Games Workshop do need to take some of the ideas from the Horus Heresy in terms of upgrade sprues once the jump-pack Primaris are released.

 

Ravenwing Outriders

Death Wing Aggressors 

Primaris Death Company 

Primaris Sternguard

 

All of these kits could be achieved with upgrade sprues, and they could do even more down the line for more chapter specific units. If they release extensive upgrade sprues for each chapter they could update a lot of them simultaneously. Some more "special" units could still receive individual releases, like the Sanguinary Guard.

They could go the Forge World route, have 'GW proper' put out the generic plastic kits, keep Primaris options the same between Chapters, and then have FW put out the iconography upgrade kits.