Predicting Primaris (Again): Will the generic range be "complete" in 10th Edition?

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

Valrak is now saying there is a Scouts vs. Striking Scorpions Kill Team box on the way. Note that this is NOT the next box, which will be Gallowfall and will be the wrapup of the Gallowdark "season". That box instead will have Votann and Beastmen.

 

I didn't actually see the video, so I'm not sure how confident Valrak was about the source of the Scouts box rumor, but he did clarify recently on the "Echoes of the Warp" thread that he indeed did say the box was coming, just that it definitely wasn't going to be the next box (and thus probably won't show up at Adepticon, whereas the Gallowfall box with its Votann-Beastmen lineup should be shown off there).

 

Bottom line, though... Primaris Scouts looking like they will indeed be a thing and will be showing up first in a Kill Team box, as a lot of us originally predicted. I will admit that I for one pretty much gave up on that after the Phobos Strike Team was announced, though. I also didn't see them being a showpiece kit for the 10th-Ed 40K launch wave so I had basically resigned myself to the idea that they'd only show up sometime in 2025 as part of a "Vanguard 2.0" expansion alongside new Biker Scouts and the inevitable Shrike-pattern jump squad.

 

So I am happy to see them apparently turning up sooner. Again, Valrak didn't give a timeframe but I am personally guessing this Kill Team box will be the one following Gallowfall, so September-ish, which would mean they'd be out a month or two after the 10th-Ed Space Marine codex.

[Marshal Reinhard]

2 hours ago, Lord Nord said:

Valrak is now saying there is a Scouts vs. Striking Scorpions Kill Team box on the way. Note that this is NOT the next box, which will be Gallowfall and will be the wrapup of the Gallowdark "season". That box instead will have Votann and Beastmen.

 

I didn't actually see the video, so I'm not sure how confident Valrak was about the source of the Scouts box rumor, but he did clarify recently on the "Echoes of the Warp" thread that he indeed did say the box was coming, just that it definitely wasn't going to be the next box (and thus probably won't show up at Adepticon, whereas the Gallowfall box with its Votann-Beastmen lineup should be shown off there).

 

Bottom line, though... Primaris Scouts looking like they will indeed be a thing and will be showing up first in a Kill Team box, as a lot of us originally predicted. I will admit that I for one pretty much gave up on that after the Phobos Strike Team was announced, though. I also didn't see them being a showpiece kit for the 10th-Ed 40K launch wave so I had basically resigned myself to the idea that they'd only show up sometime in 2025 as part of a "Vanguard 2.0" expansion alongside new Biker Scouts and the inevitable Shrike-pattern jump squad.

 

So I am happy to see them apparently turning up sooner. Again, Valrak didn't give a timeframe but I am personally guessing this Kill Team box will be the one following Gallowfall, so September-ish, which would mean they'd be out a month or two after the 10th-Ed Space Marine codex.

Which is exactly what the doctor ordered - I say as I'm strictly gonna use them to bolster my neophyte range. Since my new crusaders can't be fielded without them, my army feels really incomplete until I finally get them. 

 

But that's just me. Since it'd be a kill team, I expect we'd see a variety of poses and armaments, bolt pistol & astartes chainsword, astartes shotguns, bolter carbines, sniper rifles, heavy bolter maybe?

[Guest Triszin]

I think it wont be fully complete. but 10th I expect to have a primary focus on chapter specifics.

 

I do hope we see a bunch of super upgrade sprues ala BT.

but I also want upgrade sprues ala hh2.0

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

With new terminators confirmed this seems unlikely, but storm shield gravis unit.

2 hours ago, Triszin said:

I think it wont be fully complete. but 10th I expect to have a primary focus on chapter specifics.

 

I do hope we see a bunch of super upgrade sprues ala BT.

but I also want upgrade sprues ala hh2.0

I’d rather just full new unique kits.

upgrade sprues are super lame imho.

 

if I want tactical marines with BA goodies I’ll pull them from a DC or SG kit, but I sure as hell don’t want to buy a tactical box and an upgrade sprue.

[Blindhamster]

Suspect all the major chapters will get a BT style upgrade box.

 

what happens if the keyword goes away? Do we kill this thread and just have a “predicting marines” thread? :D

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

i dont recall seeing anyone mention this gap in the primaris line, but a veteran gravis unit is missing.

hopefully it will be something better than veteran HIs

Edited March 23, 2023 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

Okay, who had "Apothecary in Gravis Armour?"

 

Be honest.

[Marshal Reinhard]

12 minutes ago, Lord Nord said:

Okay, who had "Apothecary in Gravis Armour?"

 

Be honest.

....

 

Me some 89 weeks ago:

 

The neovolkite is likely not gonna be part of his armory though, expect to do some alterations once the official figure hits. 

 

Still though :P

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

On 3/18/2023 at 1:02 PM, Blindhamster said:

Suspect all the major chapters will get a BT style upgrade box.

 

what happens if the keyword goes away? Do we kill this thread and just have a “predicting marines” thread? :D

 

Removing the keyword will only make our faith stronger.

[Blindhamster]

So....

 

Terminators are just terminators, neither firstborn or primaris. Hurrah. Video showed a smaller unit size than we are used to, uncertain if that will be a rules thing or not, but it would make sense for min size 3 and max size 6, inline with a bunch of the other specialist units.

 

The other stuff....

• That lieutenant was very interesting, phobos armour, dual knives, combi bolt rifle (not bolt carbine). He really scythed through the nids too once he got going in melee.
  • I'm hoping that we see an agastus style multi part phobos lieutenant honestly. Obviously not as part of the leviathan box though.
• Flamer squad - nothing really to write home about, a unit with flamers will be interesting but will need to be cheap (cheaper than intercesors assuming they don't have super duper special flamers and just have ones similar to the templar weapon) to justify using them.
• Shooty veterans with combi weapons, depicted as a squad of 6, similar style loin cloths to some templar and bladeguard (but more traditional mkX armour). I am going to guess that these will be a replacement for veteran intercessors (if so, i may be sad as I have two squads).
• MORTIS REDEMPTOR - interested to see how that shakes up rule wise.
• The apothecary in gravis armour was a very welcome sight, I think the "modern" gravis marines have been prertty consistently nice looking, and it seems likely he will be too.
• TDA captain - looked fine, obviously with the new updated terminator designs it'll be nice
• TDA librarian - more interesting than the captain IMO, I like the design and a two handed force axe seems cool.
• Terminators - well, the new models seem much better proportioned, they look good, a nice update of indomitus armour, with only the most minor of influences from modern primaris kits (abdomen design and belt design is more inline with those than older indomitus kits). I like them a lot, and GW were smart to say it is either kind of marine inside.

[Captain Idaho]

I was watching the video and struggled to determine the combi weapon armed troops. They don't appear to have the flanged knee pads.

 

I thought they were somewhat Phobos armoured from the helmet but heavier?

 

Confused on that one. They had the MK10 backpacks I believed.

[Blindhamster]

28 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said:

I was watching the video and struggled to determine the combi weapon armed troops. They don't appear to have the flanged knee pads.

 

I thought they were somewhat Phobos armoured from the helmet but heavier?

 

Confused on that one. They had the MK10 backpacks I believed.

Definitely mkX tacticus, earlier in the video its harder to make out, but in the "last stand scene" you can see this guy has the mkx knees, helm, arms etc, and has a combi weapon (though he is firing the rifle part here)

[Karhedron]

On 3/23/2023 at 12:46 PM, Blindhamster said:

• MORTIS REDEMPTOR - interested to see how that shakes up rule wise.

 

I have to admit that Twin Las + ML looks a bit underwhelming. One of the advantage of a Dreadnought is their ability to balance firepower with melee to contest the midfield Objectives. I would argue that the new Brutalis has more firepower (if shorter ranged) while also packing a hefty punch in close combat.

 

Now those may well be souped-up versions of the guns we are used to in the same way that the MCP on the Redemptor is bigger and better than the HPC on other Dreanoughts. But even so, if you are looking for something armoured to provide ranged fire support, why take a Dread over a tank?

[Blindhamster]

Because

you dig giant robots 

I dig giant robots 

we dig giant robots 

[Kallas]

15 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

Because

you dig giant robots 

I dig giant robots 

we dig giant robots 

 

Nice

Spoiler

 

[phandaal]

19 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

Because

you dig giant robots 

I dig giant robots 

we dig giant robots 

 

1 minute ago, Kallas said:

 

Nice

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You gotta find first gear
In your giant robot car!

[Blindhamster]

Yay I added levity

[Marshal Reinhard]

That said two ordinary lascannons, missiles, and some side bolters does seem a little on the low side? 

[Kallas]

4 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

two ordinary lascannons, missiles, and some side bolters

Don't forget, this is a Cawl-pattern Twin Mega-Lascannon with S14/Ap-5/Dd6+3 

[Marshal Reinhard]

9 minutes ago, Kallas said:

Don't forget, this is a Cawl-pattern Twin Mega-Lascannon with S14/Ap-5/Dd6+3 

You say that jokingly,

 

but for real those are some large looking lascannons? This particular shot makes the dread look like the old boxnought, and that guy's tiny compared to the redemptor chassis.

Y

 

So big lascannons for big dread?

[Kallas]

40 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

You say that jokingly,

but for real those are some large looking lascannons? This particular shot makes the dread look like the old boxnought, and that guy's tiny compared to the redemptor chassis.Y

So big lascannons for big dread?

 

I mean...yeah. I did say it jokingly, but it's also true. Cawl makes the supar bestest evar stuff dontcha know! 

It will be bigger and better in every way to normal Lascannons, and I would bet that it will likely be either at least as strong as, if not stronger, the Godhammer Lascannons the Land Raider Phobos should have (assuming it gets buffed in the 10E Datasheets to the equal of the CSM LR).

 

I actually wouldn't put it too far out of the realm of possibility that, assuming the Godhammer stays 9/-3/d6+2, then this Supermega Cawlgasm Lascannon would be something like 10/-4/d6+2 or something. Literally every gun that Cawl makes it just better in every way. I'm not critisizing it (here, though I very much do dislike that trend), that's just what the rules team does for everything Primaris/Cawl related: make it superior to the Firstborn equivalent. Not trying to start anything - it is literally what happens with every single weapon Cawl makes for Primaris.

[Marshal Reinhard]

46 minutes ago, Kallas said:

I'm not critisizing it

Sure you're not, buddy.

 

How about we focus on the fact that it's apparently twice as big instead? If that's accurate, it should pack more oomph, no?

[Kallas]

33 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

Sure you're not, buddy.

I really dislike it. I can complain properly if you'd rather. But suffice it to say: literally every single weapon Primaris get is literally better. Bolt Rifles are just Bolters, but better; Plasma Incinerators are just Plasma Guns, but better; Melta Rifles are Meltaguns...but better. That's not me trying to criticise, it is just a statement of fact.

 

33 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

How about we focus on the fact that it's apparently twice as big instead? If that's accurate, it should pack more oomph, no?

Sure. Depends on how much more oomph. +1S? Yeah, probably reasonable. AP-4? Yeah maybe.

 

We still have Lascannons on vehicles being equal to infantry-portable ones, even though they have far larger, dedicated power sources (eg, Predator sponson are exactly the same as Devastator ones). Would stand to reason that these would be the same as other equivalent weaponry - which is why I brought up Cawl's 'golden touch', which is where everything Cawl-ified is just better because then there's a flimsy reason to make it better despite it being functionally the same thing.

 

Edit: I guess the point is: is there really a good reason for guns to be improved? Why wouldn't Devastators, for example, use upgunned Lascannons too?

Edited March 24, 2023 by Kallas

[Marshal Reinhard]

26 minutes ago, Kallas said:

Why wouldn't Devastators, for example, use upgunned Lascannons too?

Because apparently, (unless someone comes in an says: "No reinhard, they're not, check your eyes!", but so far nothing on that front) the hypothetical new lascannons we're talking about here are as I said: TWICE. AS. BIG. No devestator is carrying that.

Edited March 24, 2023 by Marshal Reinhard

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

6 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

I have to admit that Twin Las + ML looks a bit underwhelming. One of the advantage of a Dreadnought is their ability to balance firepower with melee to contest the midfield Objectives. I would argue that the new Brutalis has more firepower (if shorter ranged) while also packing a hefty punch in close combat.

 

Now those may well be souped-up versions of the guns we are used to in the same way that the MCP on the Redemptor is bigger and better than the HPC on other Dreanoughts. But even so, if you are looking for something armoured to provide ranged fire support, why take a Dread over a tank?

-1 to damage and likely cheaper

 

i imagine they’ll be similar to the guard’s heavy LCs, and the missiles might be super frag/krak

Edited March 24, 2023 by Inquisitor_Lensoven