Your marine hot take/controversial opinion?

[sitnam]

Primaris Grav tanks are far more fitting vehicles for the elite of the Imperium then Predators and Rhinos, and they look cooler.

Storm Talons are the best looking marine flyer. The Xiphon looks too much like an X-wing or Battlestar Viper. I avoided the Aeronautica Astartes units because of the Xiphon

Suppressors look awesome

Edited August 16, 2022 by sitnam

[Orange Knight]

I definitely agree with the Grav Tanks!

The Stromtalon is excellent also, and it makes sense thematically. A hovering gunship to support the ground elements of an Astartes force.

[XeonDragon]

Drop pods look like Transformer (robots in disguise) eggs. 

[Lord_Ikka]

4 minutes ago, XeonDragon said:

Drop pods look like Transformer (robots in disguise) eggs. 

That's an image that I'll work hard to get out of my head.

[XeonDragon]

1 hour ago, Lord_Ikka said:

That's an image that I'll work hard to get out of my head.

Sorry... how about "drop pods look like titan eggs"? :)

Edited August 18, 2022 by XeonDragon

[Dark Shepherd]

Missile launchers are flaming hot garbage

Ancients should be more useful

[Captain Idaho]

I actually think if assaulting from vehicles was more relevant, Ancients would be great. Expecially if they consolidated the rules to grant +1 to wound or damage in melee.

[Medjugorje]

my hot take:

 

Marines cant be well balanced in this edition because their core design. Although the units are very pricy the characters + units wont work alone. There is too often a bubble in an edition where you need MSU for the mission.

[justicarius6]

When another loyalist Primarch does show up (from either sleepy naptime or funtime adventures in the warp) he doesn't actually kick off with G-Money over how he's had to handle the Imperium. All this nonsense with the Lion is based on silly interpretations of something that happened 10,000 years before with Imperium Secundus for example.

Any Primarch that rolls up wanting a showdown with Guilliman now would be a traitor imo (for ex. a corrupted wulfen Leman Russ).

Edited August 19, 2022 by justicarius6

[Karhedron]

22 hours ago, Medjugorje said:

Marines cant be well balanced in this edition because their core design. Although the units are very pricy the characters + units wont work alone. There is too often a bubble in an edition where you need MSU for the mission.

This doesn't just affect Marines though. Most armies have characters with bubble auras of one sort or another.

[ArielRSA]

Something about the design of the current firstborn range makes me think they all skipped leg day (except the new beakies)

[Marshal Reinhard]

If the Lion does show up, I hope he smacks the ever living :cuss: out of his chapter.

[Brother Captain Arkley]

15 minutes ago, Reinhard said:

If the Lion does show up, I hope he smacks the ever living out of his chapter.

Asmodai losing his head will satisfy me...

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

44 minutes ago, Reinhard said:

If the Lion does show up, I hope he smacks the ever living out of his chapter.

I feel like most chapters would be a disappointment to their primarchs these days, and get a good smacking.

[Orange Knight]

In fairness it wouldn't even be a stretch for him to purge his own chapter.

I don't think such a thing will happen, but the Dark Angels have abandoned tactically sound plans and left allies in the cold in order to pursue their secret objectives, to the detriment of the Imperium in some cases. The Lion would not be happy about this.

On a slight tangent - I think the Lion is a brilliant character, and he would enrich the setting should he return. 

Edited August 19, 2022 by Orange Knight

[UnkyHamHam]

After just reading the "canceling of the Rubicon" thread, I really think I have my ultimate controversial hot take. 

First Born will never go away. Every FB model will get updated again at some point. Mostly for scale issues. The rules will continue to support the models for as long as necessary. The models are iconic, the lore is vast and beloved, and to scrap them completely for underdeveloped and divisive primaris, is frankly, business suicide. 

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Really it’s all the more reason to scrap FB… they can’t make new kits quick enough.

[Captain Idaho]

Here's a fun hot take...

The Loyalist Dark Angels in the Heresy were in black.

The Lutherans were in dark green.

Ergo the modern 40K Dark Angels are descendants of...?

[Uprising]

My hot take: No lore after 7th edition exist.  Good night everybody.  

[CCE1981]

3 hours ago, Captain Idaho said:

Here's a fun hot take...

The Loyalist Dark Angels in the Heresy were in black.

The Lutherans were in dark green.

Ergo the modern 40K Dark Angels are descendants of...?

My Dark Angels head canon has the Lion as a traitor.  He fence sat for most of the Heresy and played both sides against the middle.  His Legion went after the homeworld’s of the Traitor Primarchs in order to “burn their ships” forcing their compliance to win at Terra.

[Medjugorje]

9 hours ago, Karhedron said:

This doesn't just affect Marines though. Most armies have characters with bubble auras of one sort or another.

but a normal marine character cost on average 100 points and a squad 150 - while other armies dont need character support ( Marines without character support are trash ).

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

4 hours ago, UnkyHamHam said:

After just reading the "canceling of the Rubicon" thread, I really think I have my ultimate controversial hot take. 

First Born will never go away. Every FB model will get updated again at some point. Mostly for scale issues. The rules will continue to support the models for as long as necessary. The models are iconic, the lore is vast and beloved, and to scrap them completely for underdeveloped and divisive primaris, is frankly, business suicide. 

dropping the FB line doesn't effect the vast amount of beloved lore at all though.

[UnkyHamHam]

1 hour ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

dropping the FB line doesn't effect the vast amount of beloved lore at all though.

Hard disagree. Without some sort of bandaid or tie over, like making Primaris versions of FB units in their entirety or legitimizing Legends, scrapping them will literally mean you can't play any games set in the 10,000 years between The Siege of Terra and The Indomitus Crusade. 

Surely, you can see that if they invalidate that vast time period and all the potential there, including the titular year of M41 (40,000 you know, the year the damn game is named after) that this would be "scrapping" much of the fluff. 

And I'm sick of people say just play heresy if you want FB marines. Those periods are vastly different in style and how the universe works. 

[phandaal]

4 minutes ago, UnkyHamHam said:

And I'm sick of people say just play heresy if you want FB marines.

That might actually be a controversial opinion!

A lot of people seem to think "Horus Heresy exists" is equivalent to "Firstborn are not going away."

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

HH becoming a main line, it really is the best bet for FB.