Your marine hot take/controversial opinion?

[Lemondish]

15 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

AP didn’t have to go up just because wounds did.

It didn't have to, but it was one tool to balance weapons being much weaker than their 7th counterpart. You either up the damage, so the same number of shots killed the same number of Marine models as before, or you modified the AP so it took more shots to do the same thing, but not exactly double.

Then when you started with AP-1 bolt guns it was just a parade of incremental upgrades over the years until we reached the railgun. It didn't happen overnight, and I didn't say that. But it started somewhere and was a very clear trend.

Why the hostility?

Edited August 21, 2022 by Lemondish

[Guest]

Not sure its a hot take as such maybe just an excuse for me to accept the fluff a little more...

Cawl or Guilliman didn't do the Primaris project without express permission of the Emperor.

[WrathOfTheLion]

I'm not sure that's as much a hot take as it sounds. When Corax wanted to do the same to do the Raptor project, the Emperor didn't really care all that much and said have at it.

Another hot take I guess there from me, Corax should've been involved in the Primaris project, given his preexisting experience on the matter.

Edited August 21, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion
added hot take

[Blindhamster]

2 hours ago, WrathOfTheLion said:

I'm not sure that's as much a hot take as it sounds. When Corax wanted to do the same to do the Raptor project, the Emperor didn't really care all that much and said have at it.

Another hot take I guess there from me, Corax should've been involved in the Primaris project, given his preexisting experience on the matter.

agreed, I also suspect had he been, a lot less people would have complained as it would have made the link to his project stronger (for the record, both projects used the same notes from the same place as part of their basis)

[Blade of Sigismund]

Redemptors are overrated.

[Lemondish]

1 hour ago, Blade of Sigismund said:

Redemptors are overrated.

In the spirit of being straight to the point.

The Corvus Blackstar is the absolute best looking Marine vehicle.

[sitnam]

2 hours ago, Blade of Sigismund said:

Redemptors are overrated.

I don't know if you speak aesthetically or gameplay wise. If the latter, idc. If the former, that is indeed a hot take

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, Lemondish said:

In the spirit of being straight to the point.

The Corvus Blackstar is the absolute best looking Marine vehicle.

It definitely isn’t an ugly vehicle lol 

[Kallas]

4 hours ago, Blindhamster said:

agreed, I also suspect had he been, a lot less people would have complained as it would have made the link to his project stronger (for the record, both projects used the same notes from the same place as part of their basis)

And/or link it to the Cursed Founding. More grounding in existing events would have made it a lot more palatable as well as giving more interesting approaches.

1 hour ago, sitnam said:

I don't know if you speak aesthetically or gameplay wise. If the latter, idc. If the former, that is indeed a hot take

Personally, I mostly like the Redemptor visually, but that pot belly look is a bit of a strange one.

[WrathOfTheLion]

The redemptor with the pot belly reminds me of the thing from Gurren Lagann :D. It's not my favorite dreadnought, but it's fine.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Here’s one.

models need to include less detailed/ornate options for building.

[WrathOfTheLion]

Just now, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Here’s one.

models need to include less detailed/ornate options for building.

The new Contemptor/Leviathan dreadnoughts are fantastic kits for that, alongside the other great features of them.

[Blindhamster]

12 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Here’s one.

models need to include less detailed/ornate options for building.

Yes!

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

31 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

Yes!

like what if i don't want 80% of a skeleton on a shield and i just want a mostly plain shield to free hand, or put homemade transfers on?

[Blade of Sigismund]

On 8/21/2022 at 10:45 PM, sitnam said:

I don't know if you speak aesthetically or gameplay wise. If the latter, idc. If the former, that is indeed a hot take

Game play wise. They're not bad, but the idea that you need three to play space marines is ridiculous. 

[Lemondish]

21 hours ago, Blade of Sigismund said:

Game play wise. They're not bad, but the idea that you need three to play space marines is ridiculous. 

It is ridiculous, because it isn't true. Maybe back in Nachmund, but in Nephilim it's the Firstborn show.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

BT Primaris Crusader Squads are lethal and also a troop choice. Assault Intercessors are pretty good as well.

[SickSix]

Unique models for named characters was a mistake.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Not really they are spicy meatballs.

[The Emperors Champion22]

On 8/22/2022 at 2:04 PM, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Here’s one.

models need to include less detailed/ornate options for building.

Most primaris marines are pretty bare.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

11 hours ago, The Emperors Champion22 said:

Most primaris marines are pretty bare.

Sure the troops choices are, but the elites and HQs are annoying to me

[Slave to Darkness]

On 8/19/2022 at 5:01 PM, Uprising said:

My hot take: No lore after 7th edition exist.  Good night everybody.  

Not just me that thinks that then?

[Slave to Darkness]

On 8/21/2022 at 4:02 AM, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

That then puts a lot of people into a potentially weird place. I know any GW model is technically a legal model, but would you really feel like your opponent is really coming to play with good faith if they’re using the original gaz khull model rather than the current model?

I still use my 1st ed Greater Daemons, and I wont be upgrading to the new sculpts when they cost that much, and tbh I wouldnt even buy some of the sculpts at recast prices either as they are hideous. Unpopular take but if people have issue with that then thats a them problem not a me problem. IF people want me to use the new sculpts let me know and Ill give you all my bank details so you can finance said minis... 
 

I may even rock up to a game with Abby and metal Termies on 25mm bases. 

[Blindhamster]

Tbf, incorrect bases is arguably a bigger issue, has a much more significant impact on the actual game than a lot of other stuff. Imo approximately correct size models is important, but so long as you understand I’ll assume your models take up the space they’re meant to in terms of height etc (and you should draw line of sight from approximately the models proper height too) it’s not a problem. Similarly so long as you don’t try to teleport 5 terminators into a space that 5 40mm bases couldn’t fit, it’s also probably fine. 
 

generally don’t care what the models actually are, so long as it’s clear what they are.

[Slave to Darkness]

Oh yea Im not using the smaller GD's for an advantage, I have a bit of card cut to the shape of the bases the new Daemons are on to sit my mini on and I dont have an issue with it being a lot taller than the mini actually is. Im just really not paying nearly £100 for a Keeper of Secrets when the mini (IMHO) looks worse than 40k Guilliman, more chance of me starting a Primaris army, or getting a job in customer services and being nice to people.