Upcoming BL Stuff - 2023

[skylerboodie]

I get why some people are unhappy, but personally I like the idea of two more Abnett books for the close as I don't want anything missed or rushed (like how Game of Thrones final season ruined the series to an extent) and I enjoy Dan's writing immensely. 

 

The only thing I don't like is the fear of not getting the final Limited Editions to complete the set, especially with outside scalpers coming into the hobby to make money now. 

Edited June 7, 2023 by skylerboodie
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[Nagashsnee]

2 hours ago, Inferno XXVth said:

I feel like people are reading way too much in one Amazon blurb and one cover. The idea of 800 pages spent aboard the Vengenful Spirit without concluding the story, it's too staggeringly absurd to be believed without some actual evidence.

More or less absurd then having to buy book 9 & 10 of an 8 book series? 

[darkhorse0607]

12 hours ago, tgcleric said:

I think it's absurd that this will be 3 volumes. And as an abnett fan, I'm also not overly excited about reading 2 more huge books. 

 

That said, The afterward of EoE makes it very clear that not only were Abnett and ABD constantly in talks about their stories, but that ABD feels incredibly grateful to Abnett for a variety reasons, both as a collaborator and as a friend. I don't think his intention is to redo anything from ABD

 

I didn't mean it in a malicious way, although now looking back I could've worded that better. I wasn't trying to say Abnett is going "Screw Aaron, he wears too many beanies, I'm re-writing this," but personally, I also believe that once he has an idea for how he wants something to be, he is one of the most likely authors to go and do that, whether or not it fits with established things (compared to Wraight or ADB for example). He's also, as others have pointed out here, very happy with re-writing things (bolter porn, the state of Terra during the Siege, etc,) that others have written so far with his own spin on them, so I don't think that it is unlikely that we will see more of that with the 2-3 more parts of End and the Death. I just worry about how much solid characterization and moments will be in the last volumes, given what we saw in Part 1. Wrapping it up in one more volume would almost force him to focus, but two+ more gives him much more room for describing all the layers of dirt and concrete in the palace for pages like he did in Part 1

 

5 hours ago, DukeLeto69 said:

As soon as authors early in the series began deviating from the map “oh sorry but I couldn’t fit that in once I wrote about that long train ride”

 

Please stop reminding me that book exists.

[chevalierdulys]

New Ciaphas Cain book plus a short story collection 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/06/07/ciaphas-cain-reluctantly-returns-in-a-new-novel-and-a-collection-of-classic-tales/

 

1 hour ago, darkhorse0607 said:

 

I didn't mean it in a malicious way, although now looking back I could've worded that better. I wasn't trying to say Abnett is going "Screw Aaron, he wears too many beanies, I'm re-writing this," but personally, I also believe that once he has an idea for how he wants something to be, he is one of the most likely authors to go and do that, whether or not it fits with established things (compared to Wraight or ADB for example). He's also, as others have pointed out here, very happy with re-writing things (bolter porn, the state of Terra during the Siege, etc,) that others have written so far with his own spin on them, so I don't think that it is unlikely that we will see more of that with the 2-3 more parts of End and the Death. I just worry about how much solid characterization and moments will be in the last volumes, given what we saw in Part 1. Wrapping it up in one more volume would almost force him to focus, but two+ more gives him much more room for describing all the layers of dirt and concrete in the palace for pages like he did in Part 1

 

 

Please stop reminding me that book exists.

I never read all of the HH, starting on book 3 this month. Which one is the one with train ride?  :D

[System Sound]

Does the collect everything that wasn't in print yet? Or do the previous 3 omnibuses do that already?

[norDrow]

9 minutes ago, System Sound said:

Does the collect everything that wasn't in print yet? Or do the previous 3 omnibuses do that already?

Unless there's something new, 13 shorts should be everything that's written so far. The Bigger They Are, Rotten to the Core and Three Questions have never been available in print before. Last Night at the Resplendent and The Only Good Ork have only been printed in store anniversary anthologies so far, so there's probably many who are missing those as well.

[Taliesin]

15 hours ago, tgcleric said:

I think it's absurd that this will be 3 volumes. And as an abnett fan, I'm also not overly excited about reading 2 more huge books. 

 

That said, The afterward of EoE makes it very clear that not only were Abnett and ABD constantly in talks about their stories, but that ABD feels incredibly grateful to Abnett for a variety reasons, both as a collaborator and as a friend. I don't think his intention is to redo anything from ABD

 

I have said from when they first announced that it would be "more than 1" book that it would be a trilogy and all seems to bear that out now.

But it does indeed seem insane that this forthcoming book would be 800 pages as listed on Amazon and still its not the final book? Surely that should be sufficient?

 

However the synopsis focuses so much on Sanguinius vs Horus that you can be 99.9 % certain that this will in fact be a trilogy.

 

I am not so down on the synopsis though, I dont see how that suggests Abnett is going to retread a lot of ground from other novels. I think a decision was made by Bl and Abnett to really enlarge the Sanguinius vs Horus confrontation of the end part of the Siege and make that its own separate huge event, not to be overshadowed in the same book by The Emperor vs Horus that will follow.

 

[DarkChaplain]

59 minutes ago, norDrow said:

Unless there's something new, 13 shorts should be everything that's written so far. The Bigger They Are, Rotten to the Core and Three Questions have never been available in print before. Last Night at the Resplendent and The Only Good Ork have only been printed in store anniversary anthologies so far, so there's probably many who are missing those as well.

 

I was going to say the same. There's only 5 stories that have not been included in the three omnibuses (unsure if Hidden Depths, an Amberley story, was featured). This will either have to include up 7-8 new stories, or do the full set. So basically, as an omnibus collector of the series, I'm not too keen on buying this, when I could sit it out til Omnibus #4.... which doesn't seem too unrealistic at this point, since Vainglorious will be novel 11. One more to complete the trio.

 

And yes, I'm excessively excited for this one. Planning to binge Choose Your Enemies this weekend, too.

[cheywood]

I’ve been thinking more about TE&TD saying ‘to be concluded’ vs ‘to be continued’ depending on the edition. What if Abnett wrote it as two books, but was asked to expand it into three rather late in the process? I imagine someone’s already suggested this hypothesis, but I think it’s increasingly likely given book two’s Sanguinius heavy blurb. I imagine book two will be all about the Brightest One and Horus, with relatively minimal coverage of Emps and the Siege at large, while book three covers the final moments of the Siege for all the various participants and devotes substantial page time to Guilliman and The Lion arriving. That’s the only way I can see it adding up to three volumes worth of material, unless stuff gets really, really microscopic in focus. 

Edited June 7, 2023 by cheywood

[Sothalor]

Quote

... selecting a tale from the Black Library's well-stocked shelves.

 

You know, in light of getting, well, anything in print from Black Library this year, this blurb on the WHC post made me laugh, cry, and seethe simultaneously.

[Jareddm]

3 hours ago, chevalierdulys said:

I never read all of the HH, starting on book 3 this month. Which one is the one with train ride?  :D

Mechanicum

[Scribe]

I didnt even catch that this is 800 pages for Book 2. How is that even remotely possible? To get to 800 pages and not complete this, when the meat of the story is already set up?

 

That boggles the mind.

[cheywood]

11 minutes ago, Scribe said:

I didnt even catch that this is 800 pages for Book 2. How is that even remotely possible? To get to 800 pages and not complete this, when the meat of the story is already set up?

 

That boggles the mind.

At this point the third book is going to be a 900 page, highly focused biography of Horus’s life. It begins at the apex of his confrontation with The Emperor, flashes backwards in time to Horus’s first memories, then slowly moves towards the present. The last page of the book is Him snapping His murder-fingers on the Vengeful Spirit. The entire text of Horus Rising will be reprinted verbatim within it. It will come out alongside, and render entirely irrelevant, Graham McNeill’s Horus Primarch novel. 

Edited June 7, 2023 by cheywood

[chevalierdulys]

After Horus was killed and so on, there is a bunch of  information regarding how he was enthroned, how the legions fled , what actions they did within the imperium ... I supposed book 3 will be a huge epilogue. So emperor is there and this and that happened. I for once am happy with an extra book. DAn Abnett is a master writer and gets a lot of liberty to create new lore. I understand that to people are reading since book one can be frustrated but I have not yet read Siege of Terra books since I was waiting everything to be released.

 

One of these days this authors will get old and stop writing for Warhammer 40K.  I know that people wanted Dan Abnett to write last book of the benquin trilogy, probably a new double eagle kind of book...

 

I am just wondering, since they plan these ahead, like years ahead, what's the next big adventure now that this is almost ending?  To be honest  Dawn of Fire was beginning to sound like this the Beast but that one had continuously released books every couple of months. We had like the all series in what? 2 years? Dawn of Fire in other hand got some steam and then they delayed and delayed and people lost interest on a tale that may or not be re-written due to the news stuff being brought... 

 

I for once, would prefer something big on scouring (I think that's the name) or pre terra? I Would love to see how the emperor conquered Terra but I know that's doubtful. Maybe Badab War Series? Something focus on eldar fall?  To be honest the 40K is so interesting and diverse and full of ideias that they could publish a novel a month (still sell them all) and not everything wold be covered. Wish they went back a little when they were publish only in masspaperback and every month you got 3 novels. (I am talking in early 2000 to 2006 until 2010. Then it become more erratic maybe due to LE releases, then Hardback then masspaperback. Oh well wishful thinking...

 

Sorry for the rant

[cheywood]

The Martyr’s Tomb, The King of the Spoil, and Lords of Blood are all going up for preorder on June 24th and releasing on July 1st. Good luck to those trying for the SE!

Edited June 8, 2023 by cheywood

[grailkeeper]

For more than a hundred centuries the Dan Abnett has sat immobile at his word processor.  He is the master of end and the death by the will of the black library gods and master of a million words. The latest sequel has just been announced.

[Jareddm]

1 hour ago, cheywood said:

The Martyr’s Tomb, The King of the Spoil, and Lords of Blood are all going up for preorder on June 24th and releasing on July 1st. Good luck to those trying for the SE!

So is The Martyr's Tomb about a third different group of Black Templars from the two we just had in the previous DoF books?

[DarkChaplain]

2 hours ago, cheywood said:

The Martyr’s Tomb, The King of the Spoil, and Lords of Blood are all going up for preorder on June 24th and releasing on July 1st. Good luck to those trying for the SE!

 

Gotta love the "audio only" and dead weeks being followed up by triplets again.

 

35 minutes ago, Jareddm said:

So is The Martyr's Tomb about a third different group of Black Templars from the two we just had in the previous DoF books?

 

The Black Templars were rather active around the area we're looking at with The Iron Kingdom and Martyr's Tomb. After all, Guilliman himself requested/commanded Helbrecht to secure these shrine worlds instead of chasing after Ghazghkull for another couple decades.

 

It's also the first on-scale operation of the Black Templars in the series; the first time they showed up, it was to highlight how a chapter might actively reject Primaris and the schisms it might cause within the ranks (as opposed to the Wolves, who came around to it and were more about rejecting Guilliman the Legion-Breaker). In The Iron Kingdom, we're talking about a small group of stragglers who are oathed to a knightworld, but don't actually get involved in the nitty-gritty.

 

The Martyr's Tomb is not only filling the narrative void between the prologue and first chapter of Helbrecht: Knight of the Throne (whatever happened at the Golden Chain), but it also ties into Marc's Void King

Edited June 8, 2023 by DarkChaplain

[Felix Antipodes]

[grailkeeper]

Kind of weird poses there. Is sanguinius slipping? Is Horus hunched?

[Scribe]

It's a bit of a mirror to the old Horus vs Emperor.

[DarkChaplain]

2 hours ago, grailkeeper said:

Kind of weird poses there. Is sanguinius slipping? Is Horus hunched?

 

Sanguinius is powersliding. He must be a fan of cart racing games.

[DukeLeto69]

You put your right leg in

Your right leg out

In out in out you shake it all about

You guess the volume cokey

And you turn around

That’s what HH is all about!

 

whoah....

[chevalierdulys]

due to postages, I prefer having more books to b uy in one go... unfortunately to european we only get free shipping after 100€ of purchases

[Nagashsnee]

8 hours ago, chevalierdulys said:

due to postages, I prefer having more books to b uy in one go... unfortunately to european we only get free shipping after 100€ of purchases

Yeah the 100 really hurts bl orders, and the anti scalping rules means we cant even combine separate orders into one to get free postage if we are all after LE stuff.