Rumour Valrak trusted rumor: Firstborn Land Speeder and Firstborn Dreadnought going to legends

[Bradeh]

Assuming this is real isn't it the first time a 'core' Firstborn unit would be getting squatted? You can't make a Firstborn company without these units. 

 

Source, timestamp 4:00

 

Edited April 19, 2023 by Bradeh

[Cactus]

If true, I hope this means plastic proteus speeders and boxnaughts are coming for the Heresy.

[phoenix01]

The line between Firstborn and Primaris is now blurred. What is preventing a Firstborn Marine' sarcophagus from being placed in a Redemptor or Brutalis Dreadnought? Now the Land Speeder is trickier, as the Imperium is hopelessly besotted with the old technologies. 

[Squark]

Squatting firstborn dreads would be weird given how many variants it has. I could see the old basic kit getting discontinued in favor of the venerable, ironclad, and SW/BA kits, but cutting casta ferrums out completely seems odd. There's also the issue of Redemptors being unable to actually preserve fallen warriors since they burn out their pilots, so the Imperium still needs Casta Ferrum dreads since they're the best for that.

[Khornestar]

I wouldn’t mind to see them go, not a big fan of those sculpts. The dreads are part of 30k though, so I’m wondering how that will be handled.

 

Are fridgenaughts part of the legacy units for 30k? Maybe that’s how?

[WARMASTER_]

Not a huge surprise they’re ancient kits! I can definitely see the MKIV Castaferrum getting a heresy release which would be cool 

[Bradeh]

I think the symbolic nature to me is that the datasheet would be getting squatted, albeit maybe not indefinitely. That would really signal to the people who believe GW won't overly interfere with Firstborn armies that they are moving that way. 

[Isual]

Sounds plausible for me, in the long run the primaris models will replace the old marines comlpetely.

[Blindhamster]

May explain why the photoshop error happened with the landspeeder.

 

kind of makes sense in that they’re relatively close to 1:1 replacements

[lansalt]

I want to believe that the Castraferrum is too iconic to go OOP, and at least it should get a new 30k kit. But other kits like the old Land Speeders and bikes/attack bikes are going to dissapear for sure.  I'm fact I'm surprided that Centurions are still a thing when Agressors are their clear replacement.

[FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants]

If this true I’m :cuss ing :cuss ed off by this move and GW should be ashamed of themselves. Won’t stop me buying new stuff though, I love the minis they produce too much not to.

[sarabando]

2 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

May explain why the photoshop error happened with the landspeeder.

 

kind of makes sense in that they’re relatively close to 1:1 replacements

error?

[Bradeh]

7 minutes ago, sarabando said:

error?

 

The Storm Speeders were leaked in an army photo before release. 

[Emperor Ming]

I cant even remember the last time I saw anyone use a casterferrum class dread or an old landspeeder

 

I might not have even noticed if they went to legends

[Blindhamster]

9 minutes ago, sarabando said:

error?

When they previewed the stats of the storm speeder, it had the old land speeder image there as well

[Dark Legionnare]

2 minutes ago, Emperor Ming said:

I cant even remember the last time I saw anyone use a casterferrum class dread or an old landspeeder

 

I might not have even noticed if they went to legends

*Cries in "uses venerable dreads and land speeder typhoons in his space wolves lists all the time"*

Edited April 19, 2023 by Dark Legionnare

[FarFromSam]

I'll be rebasing my dread on to a redemptor base and carrying on.    I have 12 land speeders.  No way I'm not going to proxy them in some how. 

Edited April 19, 2023 by farfromsam

[Blindhamster]

2 minutes ago, farfromsam said:

I'll be rebasing my dread on to a redemptor base and carrying on.    I have 12 land speeders.  No way I'm not going to proxy them in some how. 

Should be fine with the way line of sight works these days, being based on base

[Evil Eye]

The Land Speeder was always a bit of an also-ran IMO, but the Dreadnought is iconic, and getting rid of it seems borderline tasteless. A Redemptor is not the same thing and is not a valid replacement. It's not even the same thing in fluff!

[danodan123]

Just now, Evil Eye said:

The Land Speeder was always a bit of an also-ran IMO, but the Dreadnought is iconic, and getting rid of it seems borderline tasteless. A Redemptor is not the same thing and is not a valid replacement. It's not even the same thing in fluff!

Yet.

[Subtleknife]

Seems sensible, can't say I'm surprised.

[Blindhamster]

5 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

The Land Speeder was always a bit of an also-ran IMO, but the Dreadnought is iconic, and getting rid of it seems borderline tasteless. A Redemptor is not the same thing and is not a valid replacement. It's not even the same thing in fluff!

how is it not a valid replacement? Interested honestly because:

- it has a fist and main gun variant

- it has a dual ccw variant

- it will shortly have a mortis variant

- it has a clearly visible sarcophagus 

- it has similar design for its overall chassis shape (just extra armour over the sarcophagus)

its main difference is that rather than smoke launcher on its upper chassis, it has a gun and it looks like it has enough manoeuvrability to actually fight in close combat due to longer more articulated arms and legs

[Bradeh]

3 minutes ago, KrakenBorn said:

I regularly field Bjorn the Fellhanded and occasionally Murderfang; I'm hoping these don't get any unfair treatment.

 

I would love a new redemptor model for Bjorn to come out whenever we get our range refresh. Great character throughout the heresy and it would be nice to see him treated to an upgrade in 40k.

 

I don't think it would apply to units like that, especially without a replacement. You can guarantee that SW will get the Black Templar type update eventually, probably not before DA and BA though. 

[lansalt]

It's never been said in the fluff, but I've always though that the Redemptor was meant as direct upgrade to the old dreads, as in using the old Castraferrum sarcophagus directly in the new chassis, plug and play. This would allow the existence of ancient venenerable dreads and classic characters like Bjorn among Primaris without problem.

 

[Bradeh]

I think the reality is from GW original designs all Primaris units will meant to be replacements for Firstborn equivalents, I think the reaction to Primaris from the fanbase and the popularity of Horus Heresy and Firstborn in general made them waver a bit and they started getting wishy washy with their intent. Where we are now I don't know but I would guess it's 80/20 towards Primaris.