Rumour Valrak trusted rumor: Firstborn Land Speeder and Firstborn Dreadnought going to legends

[Marshal Reinhard]

I wouldn't be surprised to see a Redemptor Bjorn once its time for a big wolf upgrade

[Orange Knight]

1 minute ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

I wouldn't be surprised to see a Redemptor Bjorn once its time for a big wolf upgrade

 

Very interesting lore implications if they do this.

 

The Redemptor is a brutal machine that burns the pilot out. The mechanicus don't care much for the biological component.

 

It would be cutting the life of the venerable Marine inside short. However, this could actually be seen as a mercy. To live for thousands of years entombed in a Dreadnought would ultimately be a punishment. In the fee novels I've read that feature Bjorn, he comes across as... less than sane.

[Marshal Reinhard]

12 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Very interesting lore implications if they do this.

 

The Redemptor is a brutal machine that burns the pilot out. The mechanicus don't care much for the biological component.

 

It would be cutting the life of the venerable Marine inside short. However, this could actually be seen as a mercy. To live for thousands of years entombed in a Dreadnought would ultimately be a punishment. In the fee novels I've read that feature Bjorn, he comes across as... less than sane.

I sort of rate the burns out the pilot lore about the same as the super riskiness of crossing the rubicon lore. Kinda empty talk from GW. Which I'm perfectly fine with it being because I never cared for it in the first place.

 

EDIT: That said they would have to adress it somehow. Wether to acknowledge it, quietly drop it or outright retcon.

Edited April 20, 2023 by Marshal Reinhard

[Special Officer Doofy]

While nobody has to like it, it should not be a surprise to anyone. As long as the kit isn't too old that the mold's bad and as long as it sells GW will keep it, but it is only naive to think GW was going to fully support both lines going forward. Clearly one is the future. I say this as someone who has no dog in the race and would never play loyalist Marines.

 

For the record, I'll still play against "count as" redemptors as tiny boxnougnts, even on their smaller bases. I believe most people are not that cut throat and demand you go spend money on a model you might not like in a non tournament setting. But the second you try hiding your half size dreadnought behind a tree stump, you're getting the squinty eye treatment.

[ZeroWolf]

Yeah I think that bit of lore will get swept under the rug quite easily.

 

I've thought about this since I first heard Valrak mention it on his stream a few weeks back. The dreads were the bigger "hmm" of the two given, as others have said, the chapter specific uses of the chassis. The land speeders, I'm surprised have lasted this long though there is one variant not covered by a storm Speeder (not counting the Ravenwing one) that of the Land Speeder Storm. Given the rumours of new scouts via kill team, could we also receive a new storm Speeder variant to go with them at a later date?

[DemonGSides]

Landspeeder, aight see ya, (basically) no one uses them and there's not been a similar release besides the Primaris version in a decade.

Dreadnought though?  That's a huge change.  We get new dreadnoughts all the time.  I doubt we're going to say goodbye to them now but if we did, that would be a bummer.

[Noserenda]

Damn shame, the boxnought is the iconic dreadnought design and its not even close, the redemptor might be a worthy sucessor, its essentially the same kit made modern style in many ways but this old grognard says baaah! and humbug! 

Speeders are alright, the newer ones are very good either though, bring back the older schools ones, when they had character! ;) 

[davextreme]

The idea that they drain the pilot is fixable by one line in a new codex if GW wants. It’s usually best not to hang too tightly onto any one lore bit. Remember that the 2nd edition Codex Imperials said all the Primarchs died out within 1400 years.

[WrathOfTheLion]

Land Speeders would be a shame for Ravenwing armies, maybe another kit will come out as well to add more variety.

[KnightofSigismund]

So will there be a new land raider box that makes all variants I wonder? 

[Sea Creature]

I’m wondering if more units will be added to this list.

[Remain_Indoors]

It'll be a shame to see the Dread go, but i've never liked the Land Speeder model from the moment i first saw it in the 3rd edition Starter Set. The 2nd edition design was far better looking.

[Triszin]

Once the new demptor kit comes that has the same options, it's expected the older generic kit will e lnter legacy.

 

Same for the speeders.

 

Or it just gets rolled into the dreadnaught kit.

[Interrogator Stobz]

There are many Ravenwing players that will be saddened by the Land Speeders removal.

It is used more than some think.

Hell I have a dozen of them and they are my third army.

 

FW removed their fantastic Venerable Options a while ago, that's a huge sign of the times. For the less exciting GW plastic ones the clock is also ticking.

 

But I hold zero illusions that both Dreads and Land Speeders will last much longer in 40k.

[Captain Idaho]

2 hours ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

Legends is still valid now? Thats how you have to field the primaris company champion as well as other not currently sold models

 

Let's not pretend Legends are supported or balanced though. I want to play a fun game after all, not out of date rules that don't fully work.

 

Interesting how they'll treat Legends mind. They'll have to update I guess, which is enough work to almost count as half a Codex. (I kid, but only a little)

[excelite]

Can’t say I’m surprised… I bet they’ll get a refresh at some point and a HH release, aka „we hear you, we know y’all love the boxnought, so we made a new kit for you!“

[Marshal Mittens]

An old boxnuaght on display at the Katy Mills Mall, what must have been in like 1999,  was my main draw into the hobby. I was in love with it. It will be sad to see them go. 

[Captain Idaho]

I've still got a metal one (old school lead) which I like to wheel out every now and then.

 

It also doubles up as a handy objective in case of house invasions by a horde of mutant clowns from Neptune.

[Interrogator Stobz]

6 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said:

 

Let's not pretend Legends are supported or balanced though. I want to play a fun game after all, not out of date rules that don't fully work.

 

Interesting how they'll treat Legends mind. They'll have to update I guess, which is enough work to almost count as half a Codex. (I kid, but only a little)

The Ironic thing about GW saying Legends not being updated and supported is that they will all have to be for 10th because of the new format.

We will have 2-3 years of New rules for all those units.

That's easily as long as a codex. They might as well make one.

 

My mind always boggles with GW logic.

 

TBF, they could just ditch things completely. Meh, when my toys can't be played I'll play something else. Plenty of alternatives out there.

[Captain Idaho]

1 minute ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

The Ironic thing about GW saying Legends not being updated and supported is that they will all have to be for 10th because of the new format.

We will have 2-3 years of New rules for all those units.

That's easily as long as a codex. They might as well make one.

 

My mind always boggles with GW logic.

 

TBF, they could just ditch things completely. Meh, when my toys can't be played I'll play something else. Plenty of alternatives out 

 

I'll likely play something else when my toys are broken too. But I like 40K Marines and wanted to play with them.

 

When it comes to legends, I'm sure updated PDF full armies is possible even if there's no miniature support from the company. It's respectful to the community and keeps people in the game so they'll still buy.

 

Could argue that's going to be resource, but I bet a single person could be employed to do that all year and he'd still run out of things to do (as they wouldn't need to update constantly) and let's be honest, there's still a lot of business to be had out of us older players who keep our armies.

 

They'd even be able to utilise a slightly more expensive service of made to order for stuff. Get older and out of print models at cost. Everyone is happy.

 

Alas, I fear GW is proper corporate now and would never do even close to such a thing.

 

Pipe dreams...

[Lexington]

Man, boo on both counts if this is true, but especially the Dreadnought. It's a classic, and the Redemptor's just an inferior design, visually speaking.

[Orange Knight]

Legends can and should be handled in a better and more supportive way than what was done in 8th and 9th.

 

It needs to be closer to the legacies PDF in the Horus Heresy.

[Captain Idaho]

Agreed. It softens the blow so much and then everyone is happy.

[redmapa]

I was thinking about this the other day and it makes sense but it still is kinda sad, the boxnought is such an icon! My 6 dreads will be sad but not forgotten.

[Special Officer Doofy]

7 minutes ago, redmapa said:

I was thinking about this the other day and it makes sense but it still is kinda sad, the boxnought is such an icon! My 6 dreads will be sad but not forgotten.

 

That's the best way to approach it. The original Nintendo Entertainment System is what got me into video games and will always have a special spot in my memories, but not a spot on my TV stand. Sometimes you got to move on. People are getting mad they are not supporting some 25ish year old models that have direct replacements. It would be like being mad at Nintendo for no longer supporting Super Nintendo and making new games for it. Seems weird to me.