Lord Marshal Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 They also said those listed here at least would be getting new model(s?) with their codex. Rip those September Votann rumours though. Interrogator Stobz and Emperor Ming 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknife Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 I appreciate the new roadmap. I'm not sure SM should be getting an extra codex (DA) whilst other armies haven't gotten their main army one. Xanthous, Special Officer Doofy, Maschinenpriester and 3 others 4 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 So about a year for Codex: CSM then. Much better than the 9th edition treatment (though that was only particularly egregious because of the wound disparity). Keen to see what models we get - multipart Chaos Lord please! Bryan Blaire, HolyPestilience, Iron Father Ferrum and 1 other 2 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephaston Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Subtleknife said: I appreciate the new roadmap. I'm not sure SM should be getting an extra codex (DA) whilst other armies haven't gotten their main army one. I would argue it's less of an issue with all of them having an Index, especially at the rate of one codex per month. What I want to know is if whatever shape Emperors Children and/or their specific units will have will be absent from C:CSM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) If this image is the codexes coming this edition it's good news for Templars, as it looks like a full codex for us. Bad news for the OG supplement codexes. Edit, it may be the indexes on day one. Either way, Templars fine. (This may seem obvious, but it hasn't been to all.) Edited April 29, 2023 by Sword Brother Adelard Special Officer Doofy, painting.for.my.sanity, Noserenda and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 I hope to see some vaaaaast improvements for Necrons Tyriks, punisher357 and Daimyo-Phaeron Lenoch 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknife Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Nephaston said: I would argue it's less of an issue with all of them having an Index, especially at the rate of one codex per month. What I want to know is if whatever shape Emperors Children and/or their specific units will have will be absent from C:CSM. If indexes are anything like the last lot armies without an index won't be very competitive. I would call that an issue personally. The release model for codicies is archaic imo. There is no reason why in this day and age with digital rules armies need to wait a year or more to receive a codex which will likely be needed to be relatively competitive. I hope I'm wrong and GW have done a stellar job on the index/codex balance....past experience though has left me jaded. The roadmap is a step in the right direction though. Edited April 29, 2023 by Subtleknife Kallas, MegaVolt87, XeonDragon and 1 other 3 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted April 29, 2023 Author Share Posted April 29, 2023 It's definitely a letdown that we're going to go through the rigmarole of some armies suffering from IndexHammer for two years again. I guess it at least puts to bed all the fears were people having that the extra special snowflake Marine chapters would be sharing Faction Keywords. Xanthous, Subtleknife, Special Officer Doofy and 4 others 4 1 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Officer Doofy Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 7 minutes ago, Nephaston said: I would argue it's less of an issue with all of them having an Index, especially at the rate of one codex per month Except by the end of spring 2024 (so the start of summer 2024, 1 year into the edition) there will only be 9 codexes out. That is not even close to one per month. Ming the Merciless, Subtleknife and Sarges 1 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dried Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 They also said Crusade rules would be sold separately to codex and rulebook... A really poor decision for me. Lord Marshal, potatocrusader, Sarges and 1 other 1 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Dawnstar Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Interesting to see a single "Knight Households" book that appears to cover both sides of the aisle. Lord Abaia, Marshal Mittens, HolyPestilience and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Officer Doofy Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Dried said: They also said Crusade rules would be sold separately to codex and rulebook... A really poor decision for me. But a really great one for the over 50% of the player base that doesn't play crusade, they no longer have to factor that into the cost and size of their codex and rulebook. Large and Moving Torb, HolyPestilience, Marshal Loss and 4 others 2 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted April 29, 2023 Author Share Posted April 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, Dried said: They also said Crusade rules would be sold separately to codex and rulebook... A really poor decision for me. Yeah, rip Crusade. Asking people to pay for it separately is going to kill the system dead. Most people will be content just going back to leaving it to an event/campaign organiser with Matched Play rules. I personally had no skin in the Crusade system, but I know there was quite a good chunk of people who loved it. painting.for.my.sanity 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Imperial Agents!!! Dark Shepherd, CL_Mission, Marshal Mittens and 1 other 2 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) If the index cards for the divergent chapters include ALL the eligible units then those will be some big ass sets of cards Or will we have to buy 2 sets? (If we're buying them) Knights and Chaos Knights being one set and maybe codex is good Edited April 29, 2023 by Dark Shepherd Marshal Mittens 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephaston Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 19 minutes ago, Subtleknife said: If indexes are anything like the last lot armies without an index won't be very competitive. I would call that an issue personally. The release model for codicies is archaic imo. There is no reason why in this day and age with digital rules armies need to wait a year or more to receive a codex which will likely be needed to be relatively competitive. I hope I'm wrong and GW have done a stellar job on the index/codex balance....past experience though has left me jaded. The roadmap is a step in the right direction though. Oh absolutely, I would've preferred tandem codex in a digital format after a good period off indexhammer, but of course they have to tie it to miniatures and books again. 18 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said: Except by the end of spring 2024 (so the start of summer 2024, 1 year into the edition) there will only be 9 codexes out. That is not even close to one per month. Good point, I did only count the actual codex release windows, not the edition window. That means 2 and 1/4 codecies per quarter in the first year, which is still better than the average 9th achieved I think.. However if I were to be cheeky and count Indices that would be 2.9 rulesets per month average, which is hilarious and would be terribly disingenuous of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Officer Doofy Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, Nephaston said: Good point, I did only count the actual codex release windows, not the edition window. That means 2 and 1/4 codecies per quarter in the first year, which is still better than the average 9th achieved I think.. However if I were to be cheeky and count Indices that would be 2.9 rulesets per month average, which is hilarious and would be terribly disingenuous of me. The indexes do soften the blow. But it depends on what they do with the indexes. If the indexes are a bulk of the rework and the codexes just a few more detachment bonuses for variety, then I'm fine with a slow release schedule. But if the index is a bandaid and the codex has all the new toys and power creep, then it sucks. Time will tell! Nephaston, burningsky25, Kallas and 2 others 1 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marspeople Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Eldar of both types being held back maybe mean a decent release for both? Craftworlds need the rest of their old range updated. And Dark Eldar need a full redo almost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 This is great news for my wallet. A year to save for the DA dex is needed. There will be plenty of toys to get First.... Raziel-TX, Skywrath and bigtrouble 1 1 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagashsnee Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Early mech is not what i wanted, i like for the edition to settle in design wise before getting a codex, plus likely means little to no minis. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 7 minutes ago, marspeople said: Eldar of both types being held back maybe mean a decent release for both? Craftworlds need the rest of their old range updated. And Dark Eldar need a full redo almost. They don't. At least not more urgently than eldar. Yes, the "mathematics average" age of their kits are more than 10 years, but most drukhari plastic kits released around 2010, at that timepoint GW plastic techniques already improved, and the quality of these model kits are close to "modern" kits. It is different situation to eldar, which has multiple ancient garbage kits still on selling and need to be replaced ASAP. Kallas, Noserenda, Halandaar and 5 others 5 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CL_Mission Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 I'm happy to wait for the Drukhari codex, I'm going breath a lot of hopeium and believe it not coming in the first year means their cooking up a whole mess of new models for it. Ming the Merciless 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Subtleknife said: I appreciate the new roadmap. I'm not sure SM should be getting an extra codex (DA) whilst other armies haven't gotten their main army one. Lion plays a big role in new storyline, we shouldn't keep him waiting too long. HolyPestilience and Karhedron 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMarsian Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 +++ EARLY CODEX APPROVAL +++ in all seriouseness tho - theyve said that our entire armys rules will be fitted on a 2 sided paper, what will they sell us in the new codexes if they want to avoid bloat/going beyond that 2 side count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroWolf Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Interested to see what they do with the Necrons though depending on the time frame I may get the codex next year when I've got more cash without Xmas looking over my shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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