Wh40k 10th Edition Faction Focus: Death Guard

[Arkhanist]

Hey look, a DG unit with FNP!

[Cryptix]

[Special Officer Doofy]

9 minutes ago, Plaguecaster said:

Well from the twitch Morty's rules have been revealed,

 

Wow he got nerfed HAAAARD. No more -1 to be hit on himself, no more -1D, lost 1 ap, 2S and up to 2 damage on his stronger attack, lost 2 of his stronger attacks or 6 of his weaker, weaker attack lost 1S and 1ap. He lost 2 wounds. He lost 2" movement (which is funny considering how many people tried telling me they are not losing movement in this thread alone). Lost some abilities for these crappy ones.

 

Hopefully it comes with a solid 100+ points drop or he is absolute garbage now if this leak is real.

[Tokugawa]

Entropy cannon only 24"?

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[Special Officer Doofy]

24 minutes ago, Cryptix said:

 

Plague marines lost ap on everything. They have no icon now apperently either (how do they plan on selling the standalone plague marine with one?)

 

PBC is only T10... Lost 12" on the entropy cannon, and it's only S10.

 

Morty got neutered. No more DR for the faction. Nothing over S10 except Morty and lascannons on the old ass Helbrute, predator and defiler.

 

Yep, sitting this edition out haha.

 

Edit: the upside is all of those people telling me "hey the other stuff might not suck you've only seen a few datasheets" can now see that yes, everything we have sucks now. Also now that every marine army can have a FnP, it makes everyone that said we lost it because it was a bad mechanic or caused more dice rolling mean nothing. Yay!

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[Arkhanist]

Plague marines look to be fairly strong up close and in melee at first glance. Only problem is they're all going to be loooong dead before they get there, and forget fighting tanks they just stand there and wait to die.

 

*looks at two cartons of Death Guard in his shame mountain*

 

I guess I can kitbash a Siege of Terra army for HH to admire on my shelf? I can add those heresy units that just got murdered too! Jesus, what did the DG players ever do to you GW?

[Plaguecaster]

They seriously just hate DG our entire army has been nerfed completely for no reason. "oH jUsT wAIt aNd SeE"  yeah look how thats gone Plague marines are a joke now and all plague weapons have been severely nerfed with less ap range so well struggle even more against any armour 

 

[Cryptix]

[Plaguecaster]

Only can join Plague Marines

oh wow that's even worse, and a bit worrying with no mention of possessed. 

[DuskRaider]

Well I mean… at least Mortarion has FNP.
 

Edit: Yeah, nah. This army looks like trash, lol. At least there’s Chaos Knights I guess. 

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[Special Officer Doofy]

Just because they smell like garbage didn't mean GW had to make them actual GARBAGE.

[Large and Moving Torb]

So Plague Marines lost both the icon and the sigil of corruption? ?! Blightspawn lost his Death's Head. Crawler is only T10.

 

LOL!! Surely this is all a deepfake gaslight. No way they would actually gimp an army this much.

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[Tokugawa]

Two CP for "become myself of last month".

[Large and Moving Torb]

5 hours ago, Tokugawa said:

Two CP for "become myself of last month".

 

And only in the Fight phase. For shooting, DG are screwed

 

It just keeps getting better and better....

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[jaxom]

Seems like it's all from the Kansas City exhibition match, legit yeah?

 

Yeah, definitely feeling not great about this. All the evident weaknesses are still there. No dedicated anti-tank (Str12 or higher), and slow movement on an army that wants to get into range for close firefights and melee. Still, there's some interesting interactions within and between units.

 

 

So, Mortarion doesn't actually get a negative at 1-6 Wounds Remaining, because he's affected by his own aura and "can ignore any or all modifiers to [his] characteristics and to any roll or test made for it"? Or is Ballistic Skill not a characteristic?

 

 

Miasma of Pestilence if there's a lot of AP-1 or higher weapons and you can't find cover. Diseased Influence is generically useful. Toxic Presence could be interesting. From Mortarion's base, I think we're looking at an 18" radius projection of Nurgle's Gift on turn 1, out to a radius of 24" radius by turn 3. Still requires getting at least one unit within 6" (T1) to 9" (T3) though.

 

LoV clearly intended to be a spotter for PBCs. Counteracts the -1 for Indirect and guarantees the -1AP. At AtkD6+3, Str8, and D2, that could do some business to any Infantry and even some light vehicles (like the previewed Drukhari Venom). Also helps Defiler Cannons, Helbrute Plasma Cannons, Bile Spurt & Frag Missiles (assuming MBHs still have them), and Havoc Missile Launchers. I'm curious if the Defiler Cannon will remain on par with the Leman Russ Battle Cannon (AtkD6+3 Str10 AP-1 D3). 

 

 

A Foul Blightspawn along with a 10 man squad with a plague belcher, plague spewer, 2 bubotic weapon marines, and 2 heavy plague weapon marines are going to be a really gnarly "come near me and get Overwatched or charge and see what happens" unit. If Plague Surgeons are Lone Operatives with a FnP aura, then I can kind of see how the infantry might operate.

[Special Officer Doofy]

The biggest slap in the face is loyalist marines of any flavor can now get a FnP... 

[Large and Moving Torb]

@jaxom Re: Morty's final wounds and possible LotDG interaction: I think the argument might go that low wounds penalty is modifying the Hit roll, not the BS, so it is technically not modifying a characteristic. You aren't making a BS roll, you are making a Hit roll. Not every roll that references a characteristic is a [characteristic] roll. I understand that's a weak argument, and I would agree your perspective has merit.

[MithrilForge]

That's cause the Loyalists stayed true to the Emperor... err i meant GW's sales Figures   @Special Officer Doofy Obviously GW's spies heard you haven't spent money on new models in a few years so this is payback to force you to spend 

Welcome to The loyalist side.... I hear The Good guys have FNP... 

Edited June 2, 2023 by Mumeishi

[Rain]

Holy crap. I’m sorry stinky bros. Here I was pissed that my Contemptor got squatted into a “Helbrute” when your army’s entire schtick is now better done by Black Templars of all people.

 

The “but maybe other armies will be bland and awful too” cope isn’t new, and it never ever pans out. This really sucks. I hope you guys get your codex soon, and it changes this drastically, you all deserve better.

[Nephaston]

Big oof and Fs in Chat for the stinky lads. Now to wait until the codex to see if it's gonna be short lived suffering.

 

Maybe they'll be cheap in the points at least.

[spessmarine]

3 hours ago, Tokugawa said:

Two CP for "become myself of last month".

 

That's a ridiculous one!

...

Until it gets FAQed to "to a minimum of one".

[Tokugawa]

5 hours ago, Large and Moving Torb said:

So Plague Marines lost both the icon and the sigil of corruption??! Blightspawn lost his Death's Head. Crawler is only T10.

 

LOL!! Surely this is all a deepfake gaslight. No way they would actually gimp an army this much.

The icon bearer has a long flag pole. You can use it as "greater plague weapon".

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[sandrorect]

3 hours ago, Large and Moving Torb said:

@jaxom Re: Morty's final wounds and possible LotDG interaction: I think the argument might go that low wounds penalty is modifying the Hit roll, not the BS, so it is technically not modifying a characteristic. You aren't making a BS roll, you are making a Hit roll. Not every roll that references a characteristic is a [characteristic] roll. I understand that's a weak argument, and I would agree your perspective has merit.

 

The Mortarion´s rule for ignoring penalties is for characteristics AND rolls or test, so he can ignore the -1 to hit when he is below 6 wounds.

[Vardus]

4 hours ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

The biggest slap in the face is loyalist marines of any flavor can now get a FnP... 

 

I was hoping for a Character to give a FnP aura and not an expensive stratagem just to bring that resilient feeling back. There is a slight cost for loyalist marines, the loss of flavour. Losing signature units to get FnP because you lack the detachment keyword means you lose those units you would want it on.

 

5 hours ago, Large and Moving Torb said:

So Plague Marines lost both the icon and the sigil of corruption? ?! Blightspawn lost his Death's Head. Crawler is only T10.

 

LOL!! Surely this is all a deepfake gaslight. No way they would actually gimp an army this much.

 

The Sigil is strange as it is in the box, the icon I can understand as it isn't. Maybe the Icon Bearer will get a data card? This is the sad truth of  unit construction, not on the sprues, no option for you 

 

Although the Battle Sisters Squad does get a Multi-Melta that is not on the sprue 

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[irlLordy]

The champion can still take a plasma gun, thats interesting, as I thought only the etb champ had that option and it's no longer available. The icon bearer is sold seperately, so maybe he will be a character now? Seems odd to go in the opposite direction to custodes vexillas though.