Legions Imperialis Legions Imperialis

[OttoVonAwesome]

1 hour ago, Noserenda said:

Some nice minis there so i may well pick it up, will have to rebase the Warhounds ofc to match the rest of the Legio and probably flog the puny humans :P 

Im still a bit anxious about the rules, but then its easy enough to just use the older ones.

Bit anxious about how they wouldnt say what most of the minis are made out of though, Resin will sink it like a stone im sure, especially as they are competing directly against a mature 3rd party/3d printer* market. Just means ill get the new warhound bits off a splitter though.

*Like, if the uggo Sentinel isnt on cults by monday ill be surprised.

Monday? It won't take that long. And there will be 5 different versions of them.

[Not An Ork]

I’m finding the ‘er, what is the point’ types of remarks in here pretty interesting, as they say to me that the person making them never experienced Epic, before. Anyone who played or knew about Epic back in the day knows that the game is completely unique and independent from 40K/HH, and functions in a different level (though I do remember cross-overs of 40K games representing a small skirmish within a larger Epic battle).

 

The tiny troops are of course low detail, but that’s part of the fun of playing at this scale. It’s an RTS on the tabletop. It’s not about individuality, they represent infantry in a giant army and a huge battle, carried out through strategic manoeuvres over an entire city block or district. It’s those huge 20-player apocalypse games, but all on one table. Epic enabled exploration of titans and all the original associated lore around big war machines. Epic was cooooooool. And tiny.

 

Sure, I’d love other races back in that scale again, but if I were to dabble into HH era, then I’d do it via Epic to feel the whole story of legions tearing into each other and civil war unfolding on a giant scale. I like that this is compatible with Aeronatutica and Titanicus. That’s great to see, as it means there’s already a solid range of playable models at launch. 

 

Yay.

[Matcap86]

On the resin vs plastic debate: when is the last time they've done a launch box with resin minis or even resin parts in there? This is being profiled as comparable to Titanicus, AI, Killteam, etc. All those sets were for the vast majority of stuff plastic, with niche stuff being resin. I can imagine mayyyybe tiny primarchs or other characters being resin down the line.

[Scribe]

The AT Titans are in scale with this yes?

[Matcap86]

Just now, Scribe said:

The AT Titans are in scale with this yes?

yes and will receive rules (on launch I think they said in stream)

[Dezron]

Must... Resist... Making... Siege of Terra... Themed force...

 

 

Uff, that was too close.

 

I'll probably break when they release more Mini-Solar Auxilia units. 

 

Atleast storage won't be a problem. 

[Naryn]

Man, I knew it was coming but 30k exclusivity just kills my interest in this stone dead.

[redmapa]

What an amazing news, I never put much stock in the rumor but I'm glad to be wrong. It's gonna be interesting to see the release pace because this could be complete very fast imo, two releases per army should complete their current ranges so it might get exciting new stuff soon like a dedicated traitor ad mech line or a 40k supplement. 

 

We're also one step closer to the dream, plastic Malcadors. 

[Burni]

I’m sure everyone is correct that’s in plastic. Just found it odd they avoided saying it on stream and in the article. And they’ve previously done that when talking about AT or AI releases that turned out to be resin…

 

But yeah, they’ve never done a big box in resin and with FW’s terrible stock availability, it seems extremely unlikely they could pull it off here. I just wish they’d confirm it 100%!

 

With DG being the box art army, do you think it’ll be a small transfer sheet with their markings in the box?

 

I hope they provide multiple legion transfers. I’m planning to go Imperial Fists as I think I could finally put up with painting all that yellow at 8mm.

[Cleon]

If it wasn't for that incredibly shonky looking predator turret I'd be convinced it's plastic - as it is I'm not sure.

[Mendi Warrior]

23 minutes ago, Dezron said:

Atleast storage won't be a problem. 

Are you sure? 

[Mogger351]

9 minutes ago, Cleon said:

If it wasn't for that incredibly shonky looking predator turret I'd be convinced it's plastic - as it is I'm not sure.

Think it might be blu tacked on for the photo tbh

[Arkhanist]

1 hour ago, Not An Ork said:

I’m finding the ‘er, what is the point’ types of remarks in here pretty interesting, as they say to me that the person making them never experienced Epic, before. Anyone who played or knew about Epic back in the day knows that the game is completely unique and independent from 40K/HH, and functions in a different level (though I do remember cross-overs of 40K games representing a small skirmish within a larger Epic battle).

 

The tiny troops are of course low detail, but that’s part of the fun of playing at this scale. It’s an RTS on the tabletop. It’s not about individuality, they represent infantry in a giant army and a huge battle, carried out through strategic manoeuvres over an entire city block or district. It’s those huge 20-player apocalypse games, but all on one table. Epic enabled exploration of titans and all the original associated lore around big war machines. Epic was cooooooool. And tiny.

 

Sure, I’d love other races back in that scale again, but if I were to dabble into HH era, then I’d do it via Epic to feel the whole story of legions tearing into each other and civil war unfolding on a giant scale. I like that this is compatible with Aeronatutica and Titanicus. That’s great to see, as it means there’s already a solid range of playable models at launch. 

 

Yay.

 

I looooooooved Epic back in the day, but it was SO much improved when it went from imperials only (Adeptus Titanicus/Space Marine) to include other races (Codex Titanicus). Hell, I still have several generations of 6mm eldar somewhere, along with a bunch of squats (land train 4ever!). Its not like they take up much space, lol!

 

2nd edition, when they introduced the Imperator and mega-gargant was awesome, and sooo many armies, we played many games of that!

 

But some 25 years later, I also remember how epic 3rd edition went down like a lead balloon with the players due to the over-simplified rules, loss of character, and loss of many armies, and GW quickly dropped it to being a niche game so they could promote Lord of the Rings. Even Armageddon some years later was too little, too late.

 

So like mordheim & warmaster, epic has been filed under that 'great fun while it lasted' category for me, but I'm not going to be spending new money on something I'll probably never even get a game with (AT is also nowhere local). And one of the original best things about epic 6mm was it was super cheap to get into, which I very much doubt will still be true.

 

I can admire the models from afar, like indeed AT; but it's not for me any more. I genuinely hope those who do bet on it get the reward from it they're looking for.

 

Also - if you think painting these guys will be tricky (it probably won't be, tanks are easy) - try painting 6mm scale harlequins and making them look good...

Edited July 1, 2023 by Arkhanist

[Matrindur]

I would be surprised if the starter isn't 100% plastic. For future releases, Titanicus has most of their stuff in plastic and even Aeronautica, which based on the sparse to non existant releases it got since 2021 didn't sell that well, was mostly in plastic. So I would expect the same to be true for Legion Imperialis. If we are getting Legion specific units those will probably be in resin and maybe special tank variants that differ a lot from the base like the Sicaran Venator but other than that I hope we are staying resin free for this.

Also I would expect them to make most of the models in plastic before converted over already in resin existing Warhound weapons to plastic and since they did that....

Edited July 1, 2023 by Matrindur

[gideon stargreave]

This looks like the first box I’ll buy since betrayal at calth. Wonderful minis and perfect for travel wargames

[brother_b]

Looks like a great box but I feel my investment into HH stopped with the full sized release. I’m not ready to invest more into HH marines for a totally different game system.

 

I would be interested in maybe admech Epic HH or maybe even Epic 40K.

Edited July 1, 2023 by brother_b

[danodan123]

Teehee, they so small

[spessmarine]

Interesting it didn't end up being a marines mirror match after all. Cool!

Minis look like you'd expect for the scale, tanks particular seem to hold up quite well.

[Lord Marshal]

I am actually quite curious about the price. Even taken as a, "you CAN split this but we really expect people to use it all for themselves" box... it doesn't really seem like THAT large of a force for the game's scale? 

[DuskRaider]

Do we have 100% verifiable information that this isn’t going to replace / destroy Titanicus? I do legitimately fear that they’re going to nerf Titans and basically invalidate everything I invested in prior. 

[m0nolith]

I’ve only played one game of Epic before, but you immediately got a sense of it being its own game. Not An Ork is absolutely right about it being unique and independent of normal 30k games.

It has its own feel. 

Where as 30k/40k is more personalized in that you feel for your troops on the table to some extent, you’re a lot more detached from that on a game of Epic’s scale. Instead you feel like an actual force commander, dictating orders from a command holo console of some sorts. It is far less personal but far more weighty. Apologies, I can’t explain it better than that. 

This doesn’t mean it’s better or worse than regular 28mm, but simply that it has a different feel to it. 

 

Another thing is that Epic is much more appropriate to represent the large scale combat that takes place in the vast majority of HH novels, so it makes sense it’s 30k for now.

 

What bothers me about all the naysayers is their absolutely certainty that their personal opinion on something is representative of the wider player base and belief what GW’s market research is entirely wrong even though they are basing that opinion on nothing but personal anecdotal experiences, ie; “I don’t see anyone wanting to play this because I don’t want to play it.” Or “I don’t know anyone who’s interested in my gaming group so therefore no one else out there is interested in it”. Or “I hate the fact it’s set in 30k because I want it to be set in 40k” (need to mention again that the most likely scenario is that they will probably only start it off in set in 30k and after it’s fleshed out they will expand it to 40k with Xenos, Chaos, Primaris ect. There’s a reason they’re calling it Legions Imperialis for now and not Epic ).
There are ways to gauge interest in regards to something such as hashtag popularity on Instagram, subreddit sizes, or maybe google analytics, and even though these methods are all flawed in their own way, they’re vastly superior than basing it on nothing but personal feelings and experiences. 

Hell, if my personal anecdotal experiences in gaming groups is accurate, then Mordheim would be one of the most popular games out there 

The problem with this hobby is that it comes with natural bubbles, ie gaming groups, local tournament scenes, ect, but it’s it’s important to realize that we are all in fact in our own bubbles as it comes with the territory. Then again there’s positives to these bubbles like the good people you meet in real life!

 

If this not a game for you, that’s totally cool, but it is for me and a lot of people I know. Judging by the popularity of the subreddits, hashtags, Epic facebook groups and the amount places selling epic 3D printed models, I’m going to bet that this game is going to be very successful.

Not as popular as a mainline 28mm game, but popular in its own right. 

[Noserenda]

Yeah id multiquote but it would be a mess :P  

But.. obvious it SHOULD be plastic in its entirety, BUT WHY WONT THEY SAY THAT? Its an easy marketing win, and something they have been very deliberately doing the last while just because they know thats the first question a lot of people have, they did it with the new Warhound weapons in fact, right in the preview.

I guess it comes down to how much you trust specialist games? :D 

[Warmaster1988]

I see higher chances that they expand it into the Great Crusade, with Eldar, Orks and maybe new Factions.

 

Do you think they will bring different Armour Marks? The Predator Tank Command wears Mk2 like his 28mm Cousin and the Terminator are named "Cataphractarii", not just "Terminators" only...

[Urauloth]

3 hours ago, Cleon said:

If it wasn't for that incredibly shonky looking predator turret I'd be convinced it's plastic - as it is I'm not sure.

The studio often don't get the finished product to paint, they get the resin masters or whatever they call them. It's why there's so many bent polearms and stuff. The models on the website promo or the box art not being plastic isn't really an indicator of the actual contents.

[spessmarine]

59 minutes ago, Noserenda said:

Yeah id multiquote but it would be a mess :P  

But.. obvious it SHOULD be plastic in its entirety, BUT WHY WONT THEY SAY THAT? Its an easy marketing win, and something they have been very deliberately doing the last while just because they know thats the first question a lot of people have, they did it with the new Warhound weapons in fact, right in the preview.

I guess it comes down to how much you trust specialist games? :D 

 

Because it won't be. Some AT and AI is resin so it can't be all plastic from the get go.

I think the boxset will be all plastic though.