Legions Imperialis Legions Imperialis

[DuskRaider]

@torcathmk2 what do you disagree with me about? They literally ruined the first iteration of Titanicus with the release of Epic and I think being fearful of a repeat is a legitimate concern, especially when it involves GW and their rules writing. 

[Cactus]

1 hour ago, Noserenda said:

Yeah id multiquote but it would be a mess :P  

But.. obvious it SHOULD be plastic in its entirety, BUT WHY WONT THEY SAY THAT? Its an easy marketing win, and something they have been very deliberately doing the last while just because they know thats the first question a lot of people have, they did it with the new Warhound weapons in fact, right in the preview.

I guess it comes down to how much you trust specialist games? :D 

 

I think WarCom thought it was so obviously all plastic in the box there's no need to state it. When have GW ever released a box like this with resin miniatures in it? Extra plastic arms for the  warhound kit is, as far as I know, new so that's where the emphasis went.

[Taliesin]

Was anymore info revealed at any point, anywhere, about the rulebook, other than that its massive? Would love to see what's going to be in that from a background lore perspective.

[Noserenda]

11 minutes ago, Cactus said:

 

I think WarCom thought it was so obviously all plastic in the box there's no need to state it. When have GW ever released a box like this with resin miniatures in it? Extra plastic arms for the  warhound kit is, as far as I know, new so that's where the emphasis went.

Except re-read my post, they were getting barraged with requests on the material (amongst other drek) and they never said a thing, except to speak about the warhounds where they mentioned it a dozen times. These are the old kits with new guns, if anything was obvious its that those would be plastic surely? 

Its notably odd, not even a follow up clarification on facebook afaik and historically times when SG schtumed up have not been particularly pro consumer.

One reasonable point that came up elsewhere is that the presenters may have no idea because they only asked about the warhound guns and didnt want to make assumptions live on air but thats not a great sign either tbh, that they have the doubt.

[Beaky Brigade]

I really like these models, I'm not sold on how they've been based (aesthetics wise). The concrete is too bland, Give us some flock and grass to make them shine!

Dare I say they would look better on square bases? The round ones keep visually tricking me into thinking the infantry are a 28mm swarm rather than squads.

Also, I think they could have done with a more brightly coloured legion than the death guard to show them off, but that's just my 2p.

 

It's exciting, I hope their promises of long term support for the game ring true and it does not get quietly forgotten like AI.

 

[Warmaster1988]

22 minutes ago, Taliesin said:

Was anymore info revealed at any point, anywhere, about the rulebook, other than that its massive? Would love to see what's going to be in that from a background lore perspective.

 

Yes - from the WarCom Article:

 

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this new game system is based on the best bits of previous incarnations of these epic scale games – while adding lots of cool new elements.

 

There is also a rumor from a french Forum (which Faeit then has repeated] about, that this was the last Ruleset with Jervis Johnson involved before he retired in 2021.

Edited July 1, 2023 by Warmaster1988

[Cactus]

54 minutes ago, Noserenda said:

Except re-read my post, they were getting barraged with requests on the material (amongst other drek) and they never said a thing, except to speak about the warhounds where they mentioned it a dozen times. These are the old kits with new guns, if anything was obvious its that those would be plastic surely? 

Its notably odd, not even a follow up clarification on facebook afaik and historically times when SG schtumed up have not been particularly pro consumer.

One reasonable point that came up elsewhere is that the presenters may have no idea because they only asked about the warhound guns and didnt want to make assumptions live on air but thats not a great sign either tbh, that they have the doubt.

Fair enough. I didn't see the stream and was discussing the written article. Maybe the added context from multiquoting would have been worth the effort.

 

Anyway... I really like the tanks, especially the 1st ed throwback predators. Slightly disappointed they don't have any of the cool stowage and gubbins from the later Epic 40,000 models but I could add some. I've never enjoyed painting 28mm scale vehicles so this could unleash my inner treadhead!

Edited July 1, 2023 by Cactus

[Doctor Perils]

Hyped about the game, hyped about the new titan weapons. _Slight_ disappointment it's mk6 again (my least favourite) and would be nice to know if Cult Mech might come out too

 

These guys would make nice basing for titans, and it might also be possible to do some fun little diorama pieces.

 

For the old-epic players here, does the mentioned detachment system sound familiar? Any ideas how it would apply? Also certainly sounds like they're aiming at pushing mixed forces from the get go, what's your take on that idea?

[siegfriedfr]

The timing for this is very odd. One year after a massive 28mm HH release, they release an epic scale version of the same units ?

 

I'm not even invested into HH, and i feel this it too much too fast.

[Interrogator Stobz]

Any guessing on the new(?) Base size for the infantry?

Looks 25mm max to me, and lower than normal, some are even split level, heck the Captain even has a Tactical rock 

Or are my old eyes just not working and they're 28s?

[Interrogator Stobz]

Also, seems like AT Castigators will finally have a home. They struggle in AT but killing Infantry seems their role....

Gah! They didn't auto merge 

[Marshal Mittens]

Looks very cool, I will probably get two sets. Would be neat to play normal 30k with minis this scale.

[Beaky Brigade]

22 minutes ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

Any guessing on the new(?) Base size for the infantry?

Looks 25mm max to me, and lower than normal, some are even split level, heck the Captain even has a Tactical rock 

Or are my old eyes just not working and they're 28s?

 

The stream said that the bases are new ones thinner than the 40k and AoS bases, but we'll have to guess the diameter for now.

[Montuhotep]

As far as the Warhounds go, the Melta-Lance is interesting and makes sense for swift dart-in, dart-out attacks - the missile pod less so though it appears from the description to have different ammo to the usual.

[Shovellovin]

I’m very interested in this game but am concerned about the price. I hope it isn’t similar to Aeronautica Imperialis. 
For example, I would love to have a squadron of thunderhawks drop off a company of marines in the enemy’s backfield but at $50 per thunderhawk, that’s not going to happen. 
 

 

[Arendious]

10 minutes ago, Montuhotep said:

As far as the Warhounds go, the Melta-Lance is interesting and makes sense for swift dart-in, dart-out attacks - the missile pod less so though it appears from the description to have different ammo to the usual.

Swarm and Shudder are the descriptors used, both make sense in a recon/support platform I think. 

 

Shudder to soften up bigger titans for your own heavies to engage. Swarm for when you're backing up infantry or armor and not expecting other engines on the field.

[m0nolith]

39 minutes ago, siegfriedfr said:

The timing for this is very odd. One year after a massive 28mm HH release, they release an epic scale version of the same units ?

 

I'm not even invested into HH, and i feel this it too much too fast.

Basically, for a few years now GW has considered 30k to be one of their key three brands according to their shareholders reports, Sigmar and 40k being the other two.

 

From design to shelf it usually takes about five years when it comes to plastic injection mould kits, a very long time. Because of that we’re only seeing the results now of GW’s years old business decision to pivot on 30k and make it one of its core brands. 
 

This is it, this is what 30k is probably going to be like now going forward, and personally I love that!

 

[painting.for.my.sanity]

I'm not going to get into a whole extra game system, but given I've got a decent Adeptus Titanicus collection already, I'm excited for the new Warhound weapons frame.

 

Hopefully this heralds a new wave of AT releases - I'd kill for some Rapier Scout Titans.

[Urauloth]

I've wanted some AT models for a while, ever since they started making knights. I really like the new Warhound loadouts, and I'd like to get a Reaver someday, so this is what'll get me to finally buy those.
As for the legions themselves, I can't wait to paint some tanks in this scale. The tiny legionaries look nice too, the tanks are probably the minis I'm most excited about out of anything GW has made in decades.

[Sea Creature]

We finally get assault Marines!

[Marshal Rohr]

This is the most excited I’ve been for a release since Betrayal. Not super stoked about Mark 6, it means I’ll have to do Blood Angels first, but I’m still reeling at how awesome this is going to be. 

[SalamandersBro]

I still have all my old epic stuff too. Hopefully my Banelord Titan will have some rules still.

[Interrogator Stobz]

4 hours ago, painting.for.my.sanity said:

I'm not going to get into a whole extra game system, but given I've got a decent Adeptus Titanicus collection already, I'm excited for the new Warhound weapons frame.

 

Hopefully this heralds a new wave of AT releases - I'd kill for some Rapier Scout Titans.

We may find AT is left to die or even replaced if Titans get a proper part in this game.

 

But proper support for this game (I'll call it Epic lol) may get you those toys. Kind of win win... except buying the new core rules books, that's only a GeeDub win.

Edited July 2, 2023 by Interrogator Stobz
Clarity

[Emurian]

So there's no chance il get regular guard?

 

Seeing posts float by on FB that the IG are roughly 7mm. Wondering if vanguard miniatures are the same scale. I know their site says 6 but I remember getting some Eloi.of them before which where slightly taller overall vs the epic Eldar infantry.

 

I want DKoK or Vostroyans as IG, not these tinboys. So guessing il reach out to Vanguard or onslaught miniatures.

 

The content overall per force feels small IMO, like their giving half boxes akin to Aeronautica Imperialis. 6 tanks in a box would make more sense then 3. Same w/ infantry, if 20 bases off stuff is going to be same price as a regular 40k box then gdm that might be the last trigger I need to buy a printer.

Edited July 2, 2023 by Emurian

[Splog]

Models that work across multiple game systems exist. So, this could lead to a positive eco-system with AT. 
 

Keeping AT and Aeronautica gives them a platform for building up models and testing the market for new factions/sun-factions without going ‘all in’ with a wide ranging initial release for NewEpic.

 

If aircraft aren’t included in the initial release, or not substantially so, they would be a good candidate for themed release waves/expansions. Aircraft, AA vehicles, and maybe dedicated titan weapons. Will be good to see those AA guns on the Warbringer Nemesis do something.