Legions Imperialis Legions Imperialis

[Fire Golem]

2 hours ago, Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla said:

Is it even possible to start playing AI right now without any base set on sale?

Hopefully that’s an optimistic sign for 40k factions in epic at some point at least, I imagine they won’t want the AI sculpts to go completely to waste. I’d love to see the Eldar titans in plastic kits as good as the imperial ones, whether that’s in AT or epic I’m not really fussed. 
 

I am more excited for this release than I imagined I would be. Looking forward to seeing what other releases are coming. Luckily my AT stuff isn’t based yet so I can easily use these thinner bases. 

[Lord Marshal]

2 hours ago, Subtleknife said:

Can you just do marine armies if you wanted or is it designed to be a combination of marines and legiones astartes

 

You can stick to Marines or you can mix by the sound of things. I imagine most people will mix even if that's just Marines, Knights and Titans. 

 

How viable a Marine-only force will be probably depends on how quickly they put out anti-Titan vehicles (Falchion, Shadowsword, etc).

 

 

Edited July 2, 2023 by Lord Marshal

[Marshal Rohr]

57 minutes ago, Warmaster1988 said:

 

The Tank Commander wears Mk2, the Terminators are designated as "Cataphractii Terminators".

Can you point me to the Mark 3 Tactical Legionaries?

 

57 minutes ago, Warmaster1988 said:

 

[Dark Shepherd]

Loved Space Marine as a kid so am stoked for this

 

My guess is they partly went for 30k to "encourage" people to not use old models and partly to make it lower risk. Also if they went 40k they couldnt do Chaos Primaris vehicles :)

[Shard of Magnus]

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.  I’ve been a fan of epic since first playing Space Marine in…’89?  This (and Battlefleet) are two purchases I will make simply to show support for systems I deeply loved at the time.

 

The big questions are what the rules look like and how quickly they expand the miniature lines.  I’ll guess any expansion beyond HH time frame is mostly going to be gated by how long it takes to release everything that’s available in 30k, assuming sales hold up.  The epic community may fill in the gap with fan rules and 3d printing options, assuming they don’t stay focused on the prior editions, but I think that effort will do little to expand the player base without there being official GW support.
 

I’m neutral on the miniatures.  They look decent enough.  I was perhaps unjustifiably expecting more detail.  It makes sense that adjustments need to be made for (what I assume is) mass produced plastic sprues and for detail you won’t really see on the tabletop. However, the high resolution 3d printers have influenced my expectations.

 

And…apologies to my pile of shame if this is similar quality to AT.  You’ll have to linger while I focus on the new tiny shiny things.

[Dulahan]

5 hours ago, Redcomet said:

One thing that struck me is the army size seems small. What was fun about epic back in the day, was pushing around entire companies of marines and regiments of guardsmen. Pushing around a handful of squads plus a few tanks doesn’t really float my boat. 

 

I'm wondering how 'large' each base, and even each tank, is meant to be?  Maybe they do represent larger formations than just a squad.  Because if not there's nothing on the field that should even be a threat to a warhound... 

[Cleon]

I wonder what the minimum buy in is for this if you already have plenty of knights/titans from AT. Will it play well with one half of whats in the box? will it need both halves (or a doubled up half). I don't have the time or backlog space to go heavy into this, but If I can have something playable by finishing off a few AT knights I already own I might stretch to a small force.

[Marshal Rohr]

8 minutes ago, Cleon said:

I wonder what the minimum buy in is for this if you already have plenty of knights/titans from AT. Will it play well with one half of whats in the box? will it need both halves (or a doubled up half). I don't have the time or backlog space to go heavy into this, but If I can have something playable by finishing off a few AT knights I already own I might stretch to a small force.

That will be possible Day 1 if the reveal was accurate. 

[Dulahan]

10 minutes ago, Cleon said:

I wonder what the minimum buy in is for this if you already have plenty of knights/titans from AT. Will it play well with one half of whats in the box? will it need both halves (or a doubled up half). I don't have the time or backlog space to go heavy into this, but If I can have something playable by finishing off a few AT knights I already own I might stretch to a small force.

 

That too.  I'm not terribly keen on assembling and painting a ton of tiny little things like those, and I've already got a sizable Titan Force (and forgot I've got a bunch of Knights too!  Until you mentioned them).  So if that's enough, I might just stick to my Legio and Household support...

[brother_b]

1 hour ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Loved Space Marine as a kid so am stoked for this

 

My guess is they partly went for 30k to "encourage" people to not use old models and partly to make it lower risk. Also if they went 40k they couldnt do Chaos Primaris vehicles :)

Our groups question was who is the audience, the end consumer?

 

We felt it’s a niche game based on a

a niche game (30k).

 

Those of us interested in 30k are doing Horus Heresy Age of Darkness. There’s little excitement for epic as 30k only. 
 

Any chance it’ll expand to 40K?

[Dark Shepherd]

1 minute ago, brother_b said:

Our groups question was who is the audience, the end consumer?

 

We felt it’s a niche game based on a

a niche game (30k).

 

Those of us interested in 30k are doing Horus Heresy Age of Darkness. There’s little excitement for epic as 30k only. 
 

Any chance it’ll expand to 40K?

I think they might add Orks and Eldar if the game is popular enough

 

Personally I think they went too cautious. Maybe it will get people into 30k

[Noserenda]

I wouldnt hold my breath for a 40k expansion unless sales go berserk myself.

The formations thing is an interesting point actually, just looking at the starter we can see all the infantry formations are the same size (Though vehicles differ) which means they abandoned the (good) ideas from Epic Armageddon to vary detachment size based on how elite armies were and the (less good) Epic 40k ideas of building each detachment like a 40k army extremely flexibly.  That implies we might see the return of the old Company and support cards system from Epic Space marine/Titan legions, which is good for Titans at least as they were most fun in that rulesset :D 

Well with only 3-8 weeks until release im hoping we get more info soon.

[Dulahan]

Yeah, getting 40k would probably require this being MASSIVELY successful, to the point it would be at least as big as one of the big games (Sigmar, for instance)

 

So yeah, best way to make sure is buying stuff, but at the same point don't hold your breath.   Which stinks if you don't care about Imperial/Chaos stuff. 

 

I do imagine we'll get some more Chaosy stuff eventually, and probably Admech.

[DuskRaider]

Just how much of a Knight Household of Titan Maniple can be fielded in Epic (or whatever the new name is) is the question though. Last iteration, Titans could only be 1/3 of your army composition to avoid just stomping the ever loving life out of everything else. 
 

my hope is that while they may not really support AT much after this, if they *do* release new Titans for Epic use that they will give them Titanicus rules as well. That way, the system is still useable for those who wish to do so. That’s assuming that the Epic Titan rules will differ from Titanicus at all, but I’m assuming they will to a point because the AT rules are very involved. 

[Marshal Rohr]

1 hour ago, Dulahan said:

 

I'm wondering how 'large' each base, and even each tank, is meant to be?  Maybe they do represent larger formations than just a squad.  Because if not there's nothing on the field that should even be a threat to a warhound... 

they look like 40s 

[Matcap86]

25 minutes ago, DuskRaider said:

Just how much of a Knight Household of Titan Maniple can be fielded in Epic (or whatever the new name is) is the question though. Last iteration, Titans could only be 1/3 of your army composition to avoid just stomping the ever loving life out of everything else. 
 

my hope is that while they may not really support AT much after this, if they *do* release new Titans for Epic use that they will give them Titanicus rules as well. That way, the system is still useable for those who wish to do so. That’s assuming that the Epic Titan rules will differ from Titanicus at all, but I’m assuming they will to a point because the AT rules are very involved. 

I'm expecting a killteam'esque approach. Where you can use the killteam unit as a 40k unit with (relatively) less rules or have every squad member be his own thing in killteam. 

[Marshal Rohr]

The guy that did Titanicus and Necromunda and then left GW (James something) mentioned they had developed Epic rules as far back as when Titanicus was still going to be resin only. 

[Urauloth]

I wonder what the individual releases will look like. Maybe those space marine infantry models are all one box's worth, and you get several squad types on each sprue? Maybe these are the equivalent of push-fit models for the launch box though, and we'll see them break down differently when they get boxed up separately.

[Marshal Rohr]

SG always has a single sprue doubled up in its boxes unless it’s a large box like the Reaver up. The only current exceptions are the models designed for BaC and BfP.  (Necromunda/Titanicus/Heresy). 

[Dulahan]

53 minutes ago, DuskRaider said:

Just how much of a Knight Household of Titan Maniple can be fielded in Epic (or whatever the new name is) is the question though. Last iteration, Titans could only be 1/3 of your army composition to avoid just stomping the ever loving life out of everything else. 
 

my hope is that while they may not really support AT much after this, if they *do* release new Titans for Epic use that they will give them Titanicus rules as well. That way, the system is still useable for those who wish to do so. That’s assuming that the Epic Titan rules will differ from Titanicus at all, but I’m assuming they will to a point because the AT rules are very involved. 

 

Yeah, and that's a concern for real.  I was really hoping it would functionally be Titanicus with new stuff, but doubt I'll get that sadly.  But AIUI Epic was similar to Battlefleet Gothic and that's my all time favorite GW game, so that might not be bad. 

 

Just wanna limit my buy in when I have so much stuff already!  And might wait for Faction Boxes or something to get a bunch of Solar Aux, or Marines, or Mechanicum when/if it comes.

 

Edited July 2, 2023 by Dulahan

[Marshal Reinhard]

They said the bases aren't as tall as 40k bases (or past  AdTit ones) so that may screw with perspectives a bit.

 

Also rename the thread to Legions Imperialis?

[Sword Brother Adelard]

2 hours ago, Cleon said:

I wonder what the minimum buy in is for this if you already have plenty of knights/titans from AT. Will it play well with one half of whats in the box? will it need both halves (or a doubled up half). I don't have the time or backlog space to go heavy into this, but If I can have something playable by finishing off a few AT knights I already own I might stretch to a small force.

 

I plan on getting the book myself and playing with my existing knights and titans

[Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla]

7 hours ago, fire golem said:

Hopefully that’s an optimistic sign for 40k factions in epic at some point at least, I imagine they won’t want the AI sculpts to go completely to waste. I’d love to see the Eldar titans in plastic kits as good as the imperial ones, whether that’s in AT or epic I’m not really fussed. 
 

 

Considering the release pace of specialists games and the amount of stuff for the Heresy, that's such a distant future I'm not daring to make any predictions. They would have to make a full new Primaris SM range. On the other hand, GW going back to the Crusade and giving as brand new xenos factions not in 40k is even less likely, so yeah, going into 40k timeline is the only hope for non-humans. But so far their staunch refusal of expanding Titanicus into 40k game, what is way easier than transition from 30k epic to 40k epic, doesn't make me overly optimistic.

[Fire Golem]

I love how I’ve swung from paranoidly pessimistic to overly optimistic in like a page. I’ll dial the balance in I’m sure. 

[Interrogator Stobz]

4 hours ago, Noserenda said:

I wouldnt hold my breath for a 40k expansion unless sales go berserk myself.

The formations thing is an interesting point actually, just looking at the starter we can see all the infantry formations are the same size (Though vehicles differ) which means they abandoned the (good) ideas from Epic Armageddon to vary detachment size based on how elite armies were and the (less good) Epic 40k ideas of building each detachment like a 40k army extremely flexibly.  That implies we might see the return of the old Company and support cards system from Epic Space marine/Titan legions, which is good for Titans at least as they were most fun in that rulesset :D 

Well with only 3-8 weeks until release im hoping we get more info soon.

Sadly, I'm guessing there is no chance of this game being ported to 40k nor adding Xenos. 

 

The clue is in the name; it's not Epic.

 

Now there may be a new game one day, but this isn't it.