Horus Heresy Sons of Horus Weapon Upgrades

[skylerboodie]

:cuss:, FW.

 

Despoilers.

Destroyers.

Remaining Legions' Praetors.

Communication on other Legion Leviathans.

 

Then maybe start wasting release windows on this type of stuff.

 

[Urauloth]

1 hour ago, sarabando said:

Just an FYI i have heard a rumour that when these guys are released its to be in a box of 10 with a sprue of special weapons as a "veteran tactical squad" 

Here's hoping! It would be nice to see Mk IV get the same treatment. They won't make massive boxes of special weapons for all the armour marks, and I'd hate to have to go back to resin to get a meltagun for a Mk III veteran.

Best case scenario might be that we wee a sprue of bodies and a separate sprue of weapons with a mix of boltguns and a few specials, so the bodies can also be packaged up with a set of shield arms when we get breachers. Which we will, right?

[Nephaston]

1 hour ago, Urauloth said:

Here's hoping! It would be nice to see Mk IV get the same treatment. They won't make massive boxes of special weapons for all the armour marks, and I'd hate to have to go back to resin to get a meltagun for a Mk III veteran.

No need to make a separate set of special weapons, the one they sell already is armour mark agnostic enough (the hands are identical between the mk3 and mk4/6 arm on the SoH upgrade) and since the Mk3 teaser seemingly also has a set of 5 bodies in identical poses to the mk6 ones we can assume that the special weapons fit 1to1.

 

Case in point the full teser image already shows the familiar special weapons on mk3 in front of the Deredeo

[Xirix]

4 hours ago, sarabando said:

Just an FYI i have heard a rumour that when these guys are released its to be in a box of 10 with a sprue of special weapons as a "veteran tactical squad" 

Honestly, I think that would be a good call. Mark VI got away with just being bolters because it was a new set, not replacing an existing one. Both the Mark III and Mark IV sets have some special and heavy weapons, so replacing that with just bolters wouldn't feel great, especially since those Marks have different pattern weapons too.

Edit: Although the above post does have a good point, there's only Volkite Calivers in that image (I can't quite tell what the further away marine is holding), and Volkite Calivers isn't a Veteran weapon choice, so perhaps this is showing that the MKIII's are indeed compatible with the MKVI sprues, but that doesn't eliminate the possibility of them getting packaged with their own pattern of weapons, I'll have my fingers crossed.

Edited August 18, 2023 by Xirix

[spessmarine]

 

Definitely neat, but definitely getting silly with the IF/SoH focus. I'm concerned it'll be LI next week, the IF upgrade the week after, back to LI, and then that Thursday, one month from today, they'll kick off the next IF vs SoH campaign preview. With which will likely come another pair of IF/SoH characters or upgrades ala tank commanders.

 

12 hours ago, Casual Heresy said:

I like the designs though no use for any of my armies or projects.

 

Much more excited to see if we get similar sets for the other legions. I know I'd love an Ultramarines one with plenty of Legatine axes and Argyrum pattern boarding shields.

 

 

 

Something like a WS one with an easier way to get glaives would probably find some fans. Especially for those with some vaguely East Asia themed chapters (stand in for gundaos for example). Would need to comb through all the unique wargear and special units to make a proper wishlist.

Some legions, gonna be interesting what they try as there aren't obvious options, though I am not hopeful they'll do these upgrades for everyone.

Edited August 18, 2023 by spessmarine

[Gamiel]

Can see the coin-bling decorated weapons used by any chapter or warband that have a coin-bling thing (could work really great with some of the parts from the Iron Golems), or where that would fit (like the White Scars). The non-decorated axes can be used by anybody that want something different for their powerweapon users.

[Etruscan]

I can’t wait for the Raven Guard weapons upgrade sprue which will, naturally, be invisible.

 

On a more serious note, love these from a modelling perspective but it’s a super niche release and there are glaring core units and legion praetors still missing, to name just a few.

 

I don’t really get the continuing SoH/IF love in.

[soviet1337]

25 minutes ago, Etruscan said:

 

 

I don’t really get the continuing SoH/IF love in.

It's because they are the cover boys of the new box and first campaign book.

 

 I imagine we will see a second campaign book soon enough with two different chapters getting the love (hopefully it's some of those who are currently pretty unloved).

 

 I don't think resin releases obstruct or delay plastic releases in any way, those are two separate product flows. 

[sarabando]

9 hours ago, skylerboodie said:

:cuss:, FW.

 

Despoilers. - no idea

Destroyers. - no idea

Remaining Legions' Praetors. - Isnt happening as the FW sculptors currently dont have any interest in doing them (legit this is the reason) 

Communication on other Legion Leviathans. - legion leviathans are moving to torsos in the near future and the missing ones will be added then

 

Then maybe start wasting release windows on this type of stuff.

 

 

30 minutes ago, soviet1337 said:

It's because they are the cover boys of the new box and first campaign book.

 

 I imagine we will see a second campaign book soon enough with two different chapters getting the love (hopefully it's some of those who are currently pretty unloved).

 

 I don't think resin releases obstruct or delay plastic releases in any way, those are two separate product flows. 

the art of the new mk3/land raider/ Deredeo is from a new campaign book

[Robbienw]

Nonsense, the FW sculptors don’t have free rein to decide what they sculpt on a whim   SG/HH team management decide what is going to be produced.

[Flaherty]

25 minutes ago, soviet1337 said:

It's because they are the cover boys of the new box and first campaign book.

 

 I imagine we will see a second campaign book soon enough with two different chapters getting the love (hopefully it's some of those who are currently pretty unloved).

 

 I don't think resin releases obstruct or delay plastic releases in any way, those are two separate product flows. 

 

For over a decade 40K = Ultramarines vs. whoever (with ancestral memory of Dark Angels being posterboys.)

 

Thankfully, GW seems to be giving more factions a moment in the sun in some of the more specialist games. For instance:

 

30K = Sons of Horus vs. Imperial Fists (and we saw SW vs. TS and UM vs. WB in prior releases.)

 

LI = Deathguard vs. Iron Hands

 

Maybe we'll see Dark Angels vs. Night Lords when they bring back Battlefleet Gothic?

 

Beyond the spotlight, it is nice to get the occasional spot release of your favorite characters and a surfeit of transfer sheets.

 

 

 

[Gamiel]

4 minutes ago, Flaherty said:

For over a decade 40K = Ultramarines vs. whoever (with ancestral memory of Dark Angels being posterboys.)

 

Thankfully, GW seems to be giving more factions a moment in the sun in some of the more specialist games. 

Tell that to the amount of Um specific stuff in 40k contra the stuff that's specific to the DA, SW or BA.

[Irate Khornate]

I really have a strong dislike of mixed upgrade sets. There's never enough of one. The part that kills me is the individual Terminator arms.

[darkhorse0607]

6 hours ago, sarabando said:

 

the art of the new mk3/land raider/ Deredeo is from a new campaign book

 

 

Source on the lack of interest for the praetors? I don't doubt it but im wondering if that was an interview or something before I get more salty

[OttoVonAwesome]

The focus on characters has shifted it's obvious GW is choosing to focus on refreshing the main line with new generic consuls. It's time to get over it and just wait for your time in the sun when your chosen legion gets it's spotlight in a coming campaign book cuase that's just how the release model works. If you can't appreciate new releases for what they are then say nothing cuase saying "screw FW, screw resin, why isn't it my legion!" is the least constructive thing in the universe and prolly isn't good for your own mental health.

 

Here's what I took away from this and I don't play SoH. Awesome set never thought I'd see the specialist bolters actually get rendered can't wait to see more of these and what new things the other legions get. Wow if I ever do play SoH I'm glad I can make up some really badass looking veterans.  

[Noserenda]

Im not sure how "Shut up and wait for potentially years" is particularly constructive either? Especially when some of those Legions already have been waiting for years. Especially when complaining has verifiably had results in the past and not doing so means you obviously are not going to get the things you would like, especially when FW/SG are still stuck in the "no research" mindset of old GW.

Uncritical positivity serves nobody

I mean, i actually have Sons of Horus army and this release is pretty flawed with the axes not matching the existing ones and the odd mix of parts. Is it better than nothing? Sure, but its not great and its certainly worse than evening out the releases a bit, they dont need a book or anything to just commission and release models, they can do it whenever they want.

[Mechanicus Tech-Support]

I'll say what ever the hell I want (within forum rules) whenever the hell I want and you can just respectfully disagree tyvm

 

 

[Rain]

17 minutes ago, OttoVonAwesome said:

The focus on characters has shifted it's obvious GW is choosing to focus on refreshing the main line with new generic consuls. It's time to get over it and just wait for your time in the sun when your chosen legion gets it's spotlight in a coming campaign book cuase that's just how the release model works. If you can't appreciate new releases for what they are then say nothing cuase saying "screw FW, screw resin, why isn't it my legion!" is the least constructive thing in the universe and prolly isn't good for your own mental health.

 

Here's what I took away from this and I don't play SoH. Awesome set never thought I'd see the specialist bolters actually get rendered can't wait to see more of these and what new things the other legions get. Wow if I ever do play SoH I'm glad I can make up some really badass looking veterans.  

If the release schedule of imaginary space soldiers is affecting your “mental health,” you probably need to have a nice long come to Khorne moment, and reappraise your life.

 

That said, it’s perfectly fine to be annoyed that GW is focusing on SoH and IF to the exclusion of the 16 other Legions if you happen to play one of said other Legions, and to state as much on a forum.

[Noserenda]

And just in case it does come up, what has moaning gotten us? For certain:  

40k rules for the FW Custodes stuff back in 7th, and would have been a whole Talons book if the whole 8th ed v Forgeworld debacle hadnt happened.
 

Despoiler arms in resin (Not great but better than nothing)

Plastic Assault marines on the horizon (And possibly any other infantry kits around then too) 

Plus a boatload of other things we dont know about, remember they are a company, not some source of divine gifts :P 

[Plaguecaster]

Yeah this is nice giving Legions unique weapons kits and all but you know what would be cooler? Maybe finish releasing the stuff they started like praetors for all legions or continuing the legion leviathans they did for a couple of legions and then stopped 

I know FW is limited in their releases and all but would be cooler if all legions got the same upgrade or legion unique models before they start releasing a new set of legion upgrades 

[Corswain]

At the end of the day, they're a business so they're probably going to release the things they think will sell before anything else.

And we can all say that they would sell heaps of Raven Guard praetors but they're the ones with the sales data.

 

Not like any of their other systems work any differently. Some armies go years (decades!) without any attention.

 

I don't collect, or even particularly like, Sons of Horus or Imperial Fists but I'm always happy to see cool new stuff for the Heresy.

[soviet1337]

10 hours ago, Noserenda said:

And just in case it does come up, what has moaning gotten us? For certain:  

40k rules for the FW Custodes stuff back in 7th, and would have been a whole Talons book if the whole 8th ed v Forgeworld debacle hadnt happened.
 

Despoiler arms in resin (Not great but better than nothing)

Plastic Assault marines on the horizon (And possibly any other infantry kits around then too) 
 

The first two I'll grant but there is no chance in hell that plastic assault marines are any result of online moaning. The lead-in for plastic kits is years long, these were always planned. Did the moaning get them brought forward in the schedule? Given how long it's been, no. Did it get us the early preview of the render? Yeah probably. 

[soviet1337]

9 hours ago, Corswain said:

At the end of the day, they're a business so they're probably going to release the things they think will sell before anything else.

And we can all say that they would sell heaps of Raven Guard praetors but they're the ones with the sales data.

 

Not like any of their other systems work any differently. Some armies go years (decades!) without any attention.

 

I don't collect, or even particularly like, Sons of Horus or Imperial Fists but I'm always happy to see cool new stuff for the Heresy.

Their thinking is clearly that if they parcel some things out over the longer term, people will buy others things in the meantime. Why releasing assault marines a year ago for blood angels players when they can get those players to build eg an ultra army instead from the tac squads available - and then get them to buy a second army when the assault guys finally do get released.

 

You can see exactly this dynamic playing out with the Primaris range. How many fewer intercessors or phobos guys would they have sold if assault intercessors and jump pack guys were available in 2017? 

[sarabando]

21 hours ago, darkhorse0607 said:

 

 

Source on the lack of interest for the praetors? I don't doubt it but im wondering if that was an interview or something before I get more salty

former GW sculptor was dropping all manner of stuff over on the crusade and heresy discord the other night. 

[Noserenda]

41 minutes ago, soviet1337 said:

The first two I'll grant but there is no chance in hell that plastic assault marines are any result of online moaning. The lead-in for plastic kits is years long, these were always planned. Did the moaning get them brought forward in the schedule? Given how long it's been, no. Did it get us the early preview of the render? Yeah probably. 

Yeah usually these things take 3 years but apparently they super rush jobbed the assault marines because demand was so strong according to leaks, like, those renders were still being worked on when they were shown off.  As i mentioned, i m only including the stuff we can be fairly certain about.