Warhammer30k Astartes MKVI Assault Marines

[Dagoth Ur]

36 minutes ago, OttoVonAwesome said:

The Word Bearer procurators are interesting... Either buddy looted a kit that isn't out yet or those are 3d printed bits on that apothecary.

 You mean the narthecium? I'm like...85% sure that's the narthecium from the soon to be obsolete deathwing terminator kit.

[WrathOfTheLion]

31 minutes ago, Dagoth Ur said:

 You mean the narthecium? I'm like...85% sure that's the narthecium from the soon to be obsolete deathwing terminator kit.

It's from the Ravenwing Command Squad/Black Knight kit.

 

In the bottom left of this sprue:
 

Spoiler

 

Used it myself for many an Apothecary conversion for 30k. Quite a few solid bits for that in the kit.

 

Edit: Guess both kits have them 

Edited November 29, 2023 by WrathOfTheLion

[OttoVonAwesome]

2 minutes ago, Dagoth Ur said:

 You mean the narthecium? I'm like...85% sure that's the narthecium from the soon to be obsolete deathwing terminator kit.

I stand corrected. I didn't even look that bit up cuase I figured it would be way too big but it actually doesn't look ridiculously huge on him.

[Castellan Wulfrik]

I waited for legion photos to make up my mind but it's what I suspected, they just look too bulky to work as Night Lords. I don't really get why they chose MK VI of all things to have an up-armoured design, surely they could have done that with a MK III assault kit. Ironically MK VI assault end up looking better on Iron Warriors than they do Night Lords once you've swapped out the helmet for something more appropriate. I'll probably do that, and just wait for a different kit for my Night Lords. Overall it's a nice kit but I can see why people of certain legions aren't too happy with it, I'm in a similar boat myself. 

 

The apothecary bits come from the Deathwing command squad. 

[WrathOfTheLion]

Ah, there is one in the Deathwing kit too, not just the Ravenwing one. I think the only main difference is what side they're meant to be on. Either way, both kits would work to source it.

 

As for the up-armoured design, I think they're taking inspiration from the MK IV assault marine kit, which also has a beefier breast plate.

Edited November 29, 2023 by WrathOfTheLion

[Castellan Wulfrik]

3 minutes ago, WrathOfTheLion said:

Ah, there is one in the Deathwing kit too, not just the Ravenwing one. I think the only main difference is what side they're meant to be on. Either way, both kits would work to source it.

 

As for the up-armoured design, I think they're taking inspiration from the MK IV assault marine kit, which also has a beefier breast plate.

I had the reverse, absolutely no idea there was one on the Ravenwing kit   I just had a look at the Ravenwing one though and I think it's a converted Deathwing narthecium, the drill is in a different position. I'm guessing he took the Deathwing narthecium and stuck it to the combat shield arm to retain the MK VI. 

[Petitioner's City]

4 hours ago, WrathOfTheLion said:

Ah, there is one in the Deathwing kit too, not just the Ravenwing one. I think the only main difference is what side they're meant to be on. Either way, both kits would work to source it.

 

As for the up-armoured design, I think they're taking inspiration from the MK IV assault marine kit, which also has a beefier breast plate.

 

 

4 hours ago, Castellan Wulfrik said:

I waited for legion photos to make up my mind but it's what I suspected, they just look too bulky to work as Night Lords. I don't really get why they chose MK VI of all things to have an up-armoured design, surely they could have done that with a MK III assault kit. Ironically MK VI assault end up looking better on Iron Warriors than they do Night Lords once you've swapped out the helmet for something more appropriate. I'll probably do that, and just wait for a different kit for my Night Lords. Overall it's a nice kit but I can see why people of certain legions aren't too happy with it, I'm in a similar boat myself. 

 

The apothecary bits come from the Deathwing command squad. 

 

It actually is a historic design, not a new one, coming from the old mk vi raven guard upgrade kit

 

 

 

When mk IV released, they had those combi deals and you can see a mkiv man with the chest here:

 

 

But it remains a mkvi thing in intention :)

 

 

There's also an adaptation of it in the Dark Furies:

 

Edited November 30, 2023 by Petitioner's City

[MoriyaSchism]

6 hours ago, lansalt said:

I see it as more fitting for a Master of Signals with all those sensors.

 

 

Here you go, a brightened capture from their announcement video:

It's a bit too hard to measure the actual size and proportions of it like this. Hard to make out the attachment points too. There used to be a nuncio vox beakie but it was discontinued, I have two in my bits box somewhere.

[OttoVonAwesome]

The armored chest plate thing isn't new if people don't like that's ok. I like it. I also bought a ton of the old mark 4 resin assaults' at great expense, What's really strange to me though is the primaris guys seem to have no harness at all. 

[Petitioner's City]

1 hour ago, OttoVonAwesome said:

The armored chest plate thing isn't new if people don't like that's ok. I like it. I also bought a ton of the old mark 4 resin assaults' at great expense, What's really strange to me though is the primaris guys seem to have no harness at all. 

 

But equally all marines in power armour have (heavy) backpacks, why do most of them not have harnesses?

 

 

This certainly suggests that standard backpack isn't light.

 

 

 

 

Your question also made me think of astronaut eva jet packs (including the AMU and MMU), and the different ways astronauts harnessed have been them. The Gemini one indeed was a more typical harness:

 

 

(Source: https://www.thestoryoftexas.com/discover/artifacts/astronaut-maneuvering-unit )

 

A nice essay on the MMU is worth reading too - https://history.nasa.gov/SP-4219/Chapter13.html

 

Anyway, I guess space suits are not the interconnected human-containing tank hull that space marine suits are - but why do most marine backpacks not need obvious harnesses but historically space marine jump packs have been depicted requiring them?

[Mogger351]

I thought the harness was to allow a quick disconnect if required more than for any other reason? Which in turn never made sense to me as then they'd be powerless.

 

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A Jump Pack is usually good for a dozen or so "jumps" before it must be refuelled or discarded. This is usually enough to get a Space Marine into the fray, or allow him to descend from the sky, striking deep behind enemy lines. An empty Jump Pack can be a liability, and even with his prodigious strength a Space Marine can find it impedes his ability in combat.

For this reason, the Jump Pack commonly incorporates a quick-release mechanism on the Battle-Brother's chest plate. Keyed to his specific power armour gauntlet, it is a lock that can be opened with a touch, allowing him to shrug free of the pack in moments.

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Jump_Pack

Edited November 30, 2023 by Mogger351

[Jukkiz]

27 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

I thought the harness was to allow a quick disconnect if required more than for any other reason? Which in turn never made sense to me as then they'd be powerless.

 

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Jump_Pack

we  also saw this in space marine 1 when titus discards his empty jump-pack with a touch

[Slips]

23 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

I thought the harness was to allow a quick disconnect if required more than for any other reason? Which in turn never made sense to me as then they'd be powerless.

 

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Jump_Pack

At least from whats been mentioned in the FFG 40k TTRPG games, power armor usually has a 2-3 hour "battery life" before needing to be recharged and that Space Marines and Sororitas Armor (and by extension TDA, Custodes, etc) were special because of their, essentially, micro-fusion reactor backpacks that gave them "unlimited" runtime. 

So if the Jump Packs didnt slot over an existing powerplant (as is shown in the Space Marine game which was probably done for gameplay reasons), then the marine would be good for a while before needing to resupply or something.

[Elzender]

I guess the harnesses also help strengthen the connection between marine and jump pack and to distribute the pull when using then, given the extreme forces that are likely applied. 

[Cadmus Tyro]

19 hours ago, Waaagh? said:

Well the images pretty much confirm other than the extra lightning claw we aren't getting any other new power weapons chucked in......just need them to hurry up with the plastic close combat weapons box now. 

Well, looking at the pictures reveals a number of new weapons. A new design power axe, right handed power fist and possibly a thunder hammer (see iron warriors sergeant). The original mkiii kit had the same design but this was left handed, but it could just be a conversion.

Cadmus 

 

[Petitioner's City]

38 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

I thought the harness was to allow a quick disconnect if required more than for any other reason? Which in turn never made sense to me as then they'd be powerless.

 

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Jump_Pack

 

The very annoying thing about the wikia (one especially annoying as a reference tool) is it doesn't source where each piece of information comes from. Nor does it have a "real world" historiography as part of a given article (nor a wider methodology as a resource tool). 

Pet bugbear as a historian! Very frustrated by it 

[Sgt John Keel]

54 minutes ago, Cadmus Tyro said:

Well, looking at the pictures reveals a number of new weapons. A new design power axe, right handed power fist and possibly a thunder hammer (see iron warriors sergeant). The original mkiii kit had the same design but this was left handed, but it could just be a conversion.

Cadmus 

 

The Power Axe is from the resin Despoiler upgrade set and the Thunder Hammer is from the resin Mk III Power Weapons set.

 

They even removed the option for Thunder Hammers for Assault Squads in the new edition. 

 

Also, the "new" Power Fist/Lightning Claw in this set is the left-handed one. 

[Waaagh?]

59 minutes ago, Cadmus Tyro said:

Well, looking at the pictures reveals a number of new weapons. A new design power axe, right handed power fist and possibly a thunder hammer (see iron warriors sergeant). The original mkiii kit had the same design but this was left handed, but it could just be a conversion.

Cadmus 

 

 

Power axe is just from the Despoiler upgrade sprue similar to the heavy chainsword shown in a different pic and that thunderhammer looks to be the resin one from the old upgrade set based on the quality of it. 

 

I'd think I'd there was a plastic axe or thunderhammer it would have been mentioned in the preview article and more of the painted up units would have them like the weapons we know are included which are featured heavily in most squads.

 

Makes sense from their standpoiny they aren't giving us many new melee weapons due to the upcoming melee upgrade set. 

Edited November 30, 2023 by Waaagh?

[Waaagh?]

14 minutes ago, Sgt John Keel said:

The Power Axe is from the resin Despoiler upgrade set and the Thunder Hammer is from the resin Mk III Power Weapons set.

 

They even removed the option for Thunder Hammers for Assault Squads in the new edition. 

 

Also, the "new" Power Fist/Lightning Claw in this set is the left-handed one. 

 

Exactly, only new sergeant/special weapon is the left handed pf/claw. 

Edited November 30, 2023 by Waaagh?

[Matrindur]

Sprue pics:

Spoiler

Weapons are connected at the wrist with a flat connection and the only extra sergeant weapons are the two fists/lightning claws.
The kit is three sprues two times the body/weapon sprue and one jumppack sprue

 

Also it does seem like the jumppack sprue doesn't have anything on there needed for the bodies, same for the other way around so it might be possible that they also use this jumppack sprue for destroyers in the future? 
The body sprue could be used for despoilers with a different backpack sprue but then they would also have the additional armour plates in the front

Edited December 2, 2023 by Matrindur

[OttoVonAwesome]

1 hour ago, Matrindur said:

Sprue pics:

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Weapons are connected at the wrist with a flat connection and the only extra sergeant weapons are the two fists/lightning claws.
The kit is three sprues two times the body/weapon sprue and one jumppack sprue

 

Also it does seem like the jumppack sprue doesn't have anything on there needed for the bodies, same for the other way around so it might be possible that they also use this jumppack sprue for destroyers in the future? 
The body sprue could be used for despoilers with a different backpack sprue but then they would also have the additional armour plates in the front

Ooh so how much does it cost? 3 sprues can drop the price I'm sure. Mk 3 being 90 bucks instead of 100 was a surprise. THe sprue being seperate dunno if that means anything unless they do actually do Mark 6 Destroyers in plastic. It's very a clearly a mark 6 pack so I doubt they'd reuse it for other marks. But also all they need to do bare minimum is a resin upgrade with pistols and rad grenades and a launcher. 

Edited December 2, 2023 by OttoVonAwesome

[Cleon]

Oh, wow those shields are taking up one hell of a lot of sprue real estate that I could have much better use for. I really don't like anything about this kit.

[MoriyaSchism]

5 hours ago, Matrindur said:

Sprue pics:

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Weapons are connected at the wrist with a flat connection and the only extra sergeant weapons are the two fists/lightning claws.
The kit is three sprues two times the body/weapon sprue and one jumppack sprue

 

Also it does seem like the jumppack sprue doesn't have anything on there needed for the bodies, same for the other way around so it might be possible that they also use this jumppack sprue for destroyers in the future? 
The body sprue could be used for despoilers with a different backpack sprue but then they would also have the additional armour plates in the front

Quite pleased with the jump pack frame. I'll be getting one if I can find it separately.

[01RTB01]

3 hours ago, OttoVonAwesome said:

Ooh so how much does it cost? 3 sprues can drop the price I'm sure. Mk 3 being 90 bucks instead of 100 was a surprise. THe sprue being seperate dunno if that means anything unless they do actually do Mark 6 Destroyers in plastic. It's very a clearly a mark 6 pack so I doubt they'd reuse it for other marks. But also all they need to do bare minimum is a resin upgrade with pistols and rad grenades and a launcher. 

That was shown a page or so back.

 

£42.50

$85CAD

[Marshal Rohr]

That’s awesome, can’t wait to start knocking these guys out. 
 

Does the new website still put things up for PreOrder in the US at 10am EST?

Edited December 2, 2023 by Marshal Rohr