The Advent (Rumour) Engine 2023

[gaurdian31]

15 minutes ago, EnsignJoker said:

Only question is why would they kill off Yarrick only to release a new model. 

"Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated." -Yarrick hopefully.

[OttoVonAwesome]

Well holy crap I really did call it. Yarrick is coming back with the Krieg.

[OttoVonAwesome]

1 hour ago, EnsignJoker said:

Only question is why would they kill off Yarrick only to release a new model. 

Show me the body. Gonna believe that? They are just gonna kill him off screen when they can't seem to let any of the Space Marines characters die a noble death. The question is why kill off Yarrick in the first place when you can make his legend even greater.

[Naryn]

Man, I can't wait to steal that storm bolter for a Terminator Captain. What an excellent old-school looking gun.

[OttoVonAwesome]

34 minutes ago, Naryn said:

Man, I can't wait to steal that storm bolter for a Terminator Captain. What an excellent old-school looking gun.

Retro nostalgia is big part of GW's design process these days it seems.

 

I'm starting to think the templar sword the fur cape with templar purity seals all have something to do with the new Yarrick now. Clearly defining his status as a Lord Commissar and he was last mentioned as being on crusade with the Krieg and Black Templars hunting Ghazkull right before the fall of Cadia.

Edited December 14, 2023 by OttoVonAwesome

[ZeroWolf]

2 hours ago, EnsignJoker said:

Only question is why would they kill off Yarrick only to release a new model. 

To have his daughter pick up his mantle 

 

Though I'd thought it was more likely that Tarrzyn had just been collecting again regarding what really happened with Yarrick which makes about as much sense as everyone thinking Angron killed him because of the skull on his figure 

[OttoVonAwesome]

3 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

To have his daughter pick up his mantle 

 

Though I'd thought it was more likely that Tarrzyn had just been collecting again regarding what really happened with Yarrick which makes about as much sense as everyone thinking Angron killed him because of the skull on his figure 

Figuring out where Yarrick has been is as simple as watching the Blood Angels movie. Getting lost in the warp for a few hundred years isn't exactly uncommon especially with the rift.

[Nephaston]

Maybe he achieved Sainthood, would be a nice twist. Don't see why Sisters should have an exclusivity deal on Sainthood.

 

Imagine; Commissar Yarrick, Saint Armageddon.

[Tyrannicide]

Belial's storm bolter.

[Cpt_Reaper]

I think it's neither Yarrick nor Belial. It matches neither current model. Even taking into account potential updates.

• Winged skull historically a Guard emblem, ruling out Belial (Also Belial's current storm bolter doesn't have a symbol on that side)
• lack of wreath under the "foregrip" rules out Yarrick

I predict a generic character model for the rumoured Krieg update.

[Orion]

25 minutes ago, Cpt_Reaper said:

I think it's neither Yarrick nor Belial. It matches neither current model. Even taking into account potential updates.

• Winged skull historically a Guard emblem, ruling out Belial (Also Belial's current storm bolter doesn't have a symbol on that side)
• lack of wreath under the "foregrip" rules out Yarrick

I predict a generic character model for the rumoured Krieg update.

Well, Krieg don't have Storm Bolters. So that would make about as much sense as the others.

[01RTB01]

Based on what Valrak has said, it's Belial.

 

At this stage, zero inclination to think otherwise.

[Alby the Slayer]

Pick up your torches and pitchforks against me fellas, because I'm gonna say it.

 

 

Let Yarrick be dead. We need dead heroes otherwise it's like a Marvel story here. No consequences, no repercussions.

 

[Mike8404]

12 hours ago, Bryan Blaire said:

Storm bolter with Chaos-like arrow head on the strap (DA used to use those too, so maybe a bit of nostalgia there), plus the Imperialis on the weapon body, and the fancy trim (doesn’t necessarily look raised though), and the strap - could be a DA DW Terminator bit, or might be fancy enough for Belial’s kit.

 

I would hope for some more of the Deathwing emblem motif on the weapons though, if it is part of a squad kit.

Those arrow bits are still part of their range.  Asmodi has some spread around his new model too

[Bryan Blaire]

14 minutes ago, Mike8404 said:

Those arrow bits are still part of their range.  Asmodi has some spread around his new model too

I think Asmodai’s are all painted on his new model, not actually molded details, but yes, I liked those as well.

[WrathOfTheLion]

I think with the tone of the monochrome image, it looks like the casing is painted in red, as it's brighter than the leather sling.

 

So it's either Dark Angels with their red casings, or it could be another imperial faction if they paint their weapons that way.

 

That would rule out Yarrick, who has a black bolter casing, which would be darker than the leather, unless they change his paint scheme.

Edited December 15, 2023 by WrathOfTheLion

[OttoVonAwesome]

It's probably Belial. Even though the storm bolter is wrong for him too (Wrong hand wrong symbol) but he's rumoured to be released soonish.

[Nova-V]

5 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

Based on what Valrak has said, it's Belial.

 

At this stage, zero inclination to think otherwise.

Well if Valrak says so that makes it even less likely it is Belial.

 

The Space Marine symbol is the winged skull with a knife and the guard without, so both tend to use winged skulls a lot.  That pattern of magazines is favoured by Termies so my guess is a Terminator variant.  Yarrick is also a good shout, not like GW to keep a good character dead and as the Guard have had a range refresh they could just get the standard one character release with the codex.

[Marshal Reinhard]

What is this repeated nonsense about the winged skull on the storm bolter being a guard symbol?

 

The guard may very well have a winged skull symbol but it isn't exclusive to them unless you want to tell me that almost every other stormbolter, which typically has a winged skull, on the new terminators is somehow guard affilliated. Not to mention truck loads of bolt rifles and boltguns.

[Orion]

19 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

What is this repeated nonsense about the winged skull on the storm bolter being a guard symbol?

 

The guard may very well have a winged skull symbol but it isn't exclusive to them unless you want to tell me that almost every other stormbolter, which typically has a winged skull, on the new terminators is somehow guard affilliated. Not to mention truck loads of bolt rifles and boltguns.

Space Marines sure, literally every intercessor has one on their chest, but none of the Deathwing storm bolters have a Imperialis though. Neither does Belial.

Seems like a pretty good spot to put a Dark Angels specific symbol, on the First Captain of the Dark Angels.

[Sarges]

41 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

What is this repeated nonsense about the winged skull on the storm bolter being a guard symbol?

 

The guard may very well have a winged skull symbol but it isn't exclusive to them unless you want to tell me that almost every other stormbolter, which typically has a winged skull, on the new terminators is somehow guard affilliated. Not to mention truck loads of bolt rifles and boltguns.

Is it nonsense, though? Space Marines and Guard have a different style of this iconography (at least in modern miniatures, there are some exceptions with old ones).

SM - small skull and elongated wings.

AM - big skull and more compact wings.

Also I'm not sure that this is intentional on the new Rumour Engine or just a drilling oversight but modern SM storm bolters are depicted with much bigger barrels.

 

 

[OttoVonAwesome]

59 minutes ago, Nova-V said:

Well if Valrak says so that makes it even less likely it is Belial.

 

The Space Marine symbol is the winged skull with a knife and the guard without, so both tend to use winged skulls a lot.  That pattern of magazines is favoured by Termies so my guess is a Terminator variant.  Yarrick is also a good shout, not like GW to keep a good character dead and as the Guard have had a range refresh they could just get the standard one character release with the codex.

Yarrick is def not dead and a krieg full release is the time to bring him back so he's coming. I will die on that hill. Yarrick is the Guard. But it's not quite time yet so that's prolly some dark angel crap the sword is DA... But nothing else says that, the forked purity seals the crossbones the fur Lord Commissar cape the minefield warning sign (we know krieg loves minefields) that's def not dark angels could be sigmar I geuss prolly not.. I will be overjoyed and dance like a goblin if it does turn out to be both though. Only thing I can really reckon is were looking at at least a few different reveals.

[Xenith]

I read guard from the storm bolter also. It just doesn't have the vibe or a marine release. Maybe, dare I say it...Yarrick?  

[Marshall Bretton]

The framing of the storm bolter picture to me suggests it is being held in someone's right hand.

 

That immediately rules out yarrick and fits with the existing belial model.

The face of the weapon being shown on the current belial model is blank and the other side has a da symbol. It could be that it's the same on this and they don't want to show such an obvious indicator as an actual da symbol. They may have just decided to add more ornamentation to the weapon as it's clearly a newer type.

 

Also yarricks SB has a laurel wreath on it, they seem to be making a point of keeping details like that on updated models so even more likely it isn't him.

why would yarrick come back with krieg? He leads steel legion troops.

Edited December 15, 2023 by Gaius Maximus

[TheMawr]

This truelly is the bolter and chainsword forum... give us all kind of fascinating bits to speculate and  the crickets sing.. but show us a bolter  and the topic is on fire  we need a chainsword next.

 

I see a lot of it focus on the iconography discounting belial, however the same iconography arguments discount yarrick ( no wreath) and inquisition ( who would have an I ) as well. 

It could be that they dont follow previous iconography.. but then it also un-discounts belial just as much as yarrick.

 

Another less exciting but not unlikely  option though.. its not at all impossible that its from a rather generic commemorative terminator, this has been a thing every edition for both core game's starter forces. 

 

Edit :

and yet another.. it could be part of the (rumored) scions kill team upgrade kit. They would also fit the strap decoration as well as DA do... a stormbolter for the stormtroopers. And could be a likely more immediate release than the other suggestions.

 

( just throwing things around.. personally i think its DA )

Edited December 15, 2023 by TheMawr